#### OFFICIAL ADMIRAL's EDITION AAR ####

[Dili]

Yeah it is also in the link.

[jwilkerson]

Actually looks like the translated chapter is the source for the forum discussion. Regardless, still no hard data on the smaller Japanese carriers.

[Terminus]

And thus, not relevant to earlier claims about IJN light and escort carriers.

[Dili]

Number if ever planned IMO would be between 1 to 2 attack missions per torp. plane. But the first link i posted talks about use of torpedos planes(in Japanese definition B5N's were "Attack Planes" and not strictly torpedo planes) w/torpedos in CVL's. It appears only one or two times that happened, so i would say that is the best option to not include them. We also don't have restrictions on maximum strike package per carrier so the carriers are already too much deadly at first strike while typically things could much more confused.

[jwilkerson]

I have at least a rumor now (via Nik from Shores) on Ryujo carrying torps during the opening months, though not using them. And good data (Hata/Izawa) on Junyo attacking Hornet with torpedos at Santa Cruz. So we will keeping hunting away.

[pad152]

The fact is the loadouts varied. The problem with documents even US ones there always the (pre-war & war time) standard loadout but, in war almost nothing carried a standard loadout, it would vary by the mission, available supplies, dates, etc, etc. Logistics were not the strong points of the Japanese, by late 1942 I'll bet nothing in the Japanese Army or Navy contained a standard load out. Even in Iraq today a combat infantry squad doesn't carry what some peice of paper in the Pentagon says they should carry (they carry more).

[Tanaka]

Hi Guys,

Thought this might help. Here is a website I found that gives some type of detail of the types of planes each Japanese carrier had at different points in the war...

http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2 ... files.html

[m10bob]

Belotes' "TITANS OF THE SEAS" reports some of the smaller Jap CVE's carrying those bipe torpedo bombers and using torps..Played havoc against merchant ships in the Indiana ocean, IIRC..

[Terminus]

The IJN escort carriers were used as aircraft ferries and convoy escorts. The closest anyone of them ever came to a combat zone was when the Taiyo ferried aircraft to the Solomons.

[RevRick]

ORIGINAL: cantona2

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: cantona2

Im noticing very similar resutls when Japs bomb my airfields at that height in WitP too

Yeah, I think this is another case of SAIEW, though we are discussing some options.

SAIEW?

As it was in the beginning,
It is now and ever shall be,
World without end, Amen. Amen.

[vonSchnitter]

Sorry Chaps,

but where do we stand with regard to CV clashes say till the end of 42 ?

IJN CVEs and torps: In Stock and CHS those little buggers are good for a lot of mischief, especially if land based units are available to replace used up or no longer needed air components. (Zeros, Val, Kate).
My best Score: Hermes and 3 R-Class BBs off the Andamans. Gamey ? Yo. Long lances on CVE are. PBM by the way.
Offering me a real opportunity to go after India ...

Even some CVLs could not launch the Kates with torps. If I read the signals correctly, even the last issue is not addressed ? Hm...

Now to my pet peave: single carrier TFs - no solution yet ?
To spell things out slowly: Multiple allied carrier TFs in one hex will pool their cap very effectively. As effective as a 6 CV KB.
The IJN has a coordination "bonus" - even AC from multiple TFs will very likely go after one TF (with priorities CV, BB and so on) - just one Allied CV/TF hit.

On the other hand: The lack of USN coordination of air strikes plus the combined effect of CV cap in one hex will have the following results:

IJ land based Air is most likely decimated by the CAP. (on a wake raid).
IJN will hit the CAP - and if bombers penetrate - one CV hit.

On the other hand, USN strikes - if penetration is achieved - will hurt a number of IJN CVs. Regardless of IJN CV deployment.

And no Terminus - referring to a previous conversation - my intention is not to be diplomatic.
If the AE team has no workable solution - tweaking the code or the oob etc - for the issues, it is not good.
HR suggestions or similar may work. Up to you.

I for one would think, that the PBM players have a different mind set from the AI only chaps - no idea where the $$ are - but a clear statement of services offered may help ?

Anyway.

Cheers

[Q-Ball]

I wonder if Elf would have posted this AAR if he knew the Pandora's box he was opening. I'm sure AE will be great, I'm not expecting it to be perfect, but I appreciate the hard work of the AE team. And I for one am starting to get fatigue from all the posting about more changes and what's missing. Anyone else feel that way?

I like the passion out there, and alot of the posts might be right historically. There are alot of great comments. But in the end it's a GAME, and as long as it's a good clean competitive fun game, I can live with imperfections. Pacific War is kind of a big topic to get absolutely perfect, no?

So, I hope the AI is looking good, and we get a moddable toy pretty soon. But not before the kinks are worked out.

[Canoerebel]

I second Q-Ball's motion.  WitP is fabulous and AE will be even better.  Waypoints alone will make a huge difference.

[pompack]

third

When we get to threats I just use the green button, it helps enormously [:D]

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: vonSchnitter

Even some CVLs could not launch the Kates with torps. If I read the signals correctly, even the last issue is not addressed ? Hm...

The way I read things written in this thread it likely will be addressed, or will (at worst) be trivial to address in the editor by setting the torpedo sorties to 0 (zero) for those particular carriers.

The IJN has a coordination "bonus" - even AC from multiple TFs will very likely go after one TF (with priorities CV, BB and so on) - just one Allied CV/TF hit.

In the battle AAR'd in this thread both USN CV's were hit and hit hard even though they were in separate TF's.

Multiple allied carrier TFs in one hex will pool their cap very effectively. As effective as a 6 CV KB.

This point very well might be made moot by the great reduction in lethality of air to air combat.

At any rate, totally eliminating the issue (as you seem to be suggesting) is complicated by the fact that CAPs were able to be vectored to assist outside their own TF, and by the fact that the hex size is being reduced to 40 miles in AE (from 60 miles in WITP).

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: vonSchnitter

And no Terminus - referring to a previous conversation - my intention is not to be diplomatic.

I would implore the AE team members to refrain from answering any questions posed by this individual. All his posts are demanding and full of incivilities. It wouldn't take a great deal of effort on his part to rephrase his concerns, but he seems quite pleased by his rudeness, and tries to explain it away as a "language issue" (a ruse which becomes more and more obvious as his post count grows).

Feeding trolls is never good policy, and especially so in this case, as he's poisoning an otherwise wonderful thread.

[Terminus]

Don't worry.

[RevRick]

ORIGINAL: pompack

third

When we get to threats I just use the green button, it helps enormously [:D]

Agreed. The Green Button solution works very well, notably when I get in the mood to light into the recipient like a wild cat with its tail on fire. Talk about a pompous ass!!!

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: RevRick

ORIGINAL: pompack

third

When we get to threats I just use the green button, it helps enormously [:D]

Agreed. The Green Button solution works very well, notably when I get in the mood to light into the recipient like a wild cat with its tail on fire. Talk about a pompous ass!!!

Actually my usual sequence is to write some juvenile response, read it over and then cancel the whole thing and hit the green button instead [:D]

[MkXIV]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Belotes' "TITANS OF THE SEAS" reports some of the smaller Jap CVE's carrying those bipe torpedo bombers and using torps..Played havoc against merchant ships in the Indiana ocean, IIRC..

The Indiana Ocean? Is that anywhere near Evansville?[:D]