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[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

I thought Advanced Tactics was awful...but I was, apparently, the only person who thought this!!  [X(]

I did too until I played it more. It's one of the best games Matrix has. I still find it hard to believe that one guy programmed it all. [&o]

[JudgeDredd]

Well, kudos to anyone who programmes computer games...that's a given...

I just didn't like it because of it's lack of "real world"...maps...factions...units...nothing had a "real" feel.

Don't get me wrong, I'm one of those who don't need a WWII simulation. Far from it, I like to stand a chance of winning, meaning I like to win on my own merits, not have it dictated to me because "that's the way it was"...but the lack of real places, factions just ruined the immersion for me.

Like I said though...he wrote a wargame...I haven't [&o]

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

I just didn't like it because of it's lack of "real world"...maps...factions...units...nothing had a "real" feel.

I understand that too. I have felt that way about many games. TOAW3 is one but I'm playing it right now. I like for games to have a personality of the era it's portraying. FoF, WBtS, UV, and WiTP are a few that did that well for me. The sounds and music add to that a lot and Adv Tactics has a lack of that. I play my own music in Media Player so that's taken care of. [8D]

I really was hoping that somebody would jump in here and say that Kharkov is MUCH better than Battlefront with many more options. [&:]

[Toby42]

It doesn't sound like there is anyone out there that has both games?

[LarryP]

Weekends are slower here than weekdays, so maybe next week someone will jump in and give us a comparison.

[Fred98]

Its already next week here [:)]

I have both games.

I you have played Battlefront, Kharkov will be very familiar and easy to pick up. Kharkov has a number of improvements that makes it a much superior game engine.

The AOs make the AI probably now the best in wargaming.

Using Mystery AOs means that a good PBEM player cannot memorise aspects of the game. This makes you more competitive against a good PBEM player.

There are no longer separate Defence HQ units and Attack HQ units. Rather there are HQ units that provide attack supply AND defence supply. This makes for fewer HQ units for the player to worry about.

Units can still entrench. Some units that are entrenched also have the ability to Hedgehog. If a unit is in hedgehog mode, it means that an enemy does not receive any shifts if attacking for 2 or more sides. This makes the unit very difficult to assault but the unit itself is not likely to extricate itself from a predicament. Rather, command needs to attack in that direction to save the situation.

Where an air unit or arty unit attacks an enemy unit, there is now a graphic showing the unit being attacked and losing a step if it did so.

The dice statistics now include all dice rolled for any reason thereby including air and arty attacks.

These items come to mind in a few seconds sitting at my desk at work – wishing I were somewhere else

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[LarryP]

Thanks Joe! Looks like some pretty good improvements. Now my interest has accelerated some. The graphics are about the same as Battlefront, right?

What exactly are the AO's? [&:]

[e_barkmann]

LarryP,

there's a good description by SSG of the new features of Kharkov, including the new Areas of Operations ('AOs') here:

tm.asp?m=1792278

cheers

[Noakesy]

ORIGINAL: Treale
It doesn't sound like there is anyone out there that has both games?

I have both games, much prefer Kharkov to Battlefront even if it currently only has one scenario.

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Chris Merchant

LarryP,

there's a good description by SSG of the new features of Kharkov, including the new Areas of Operations ('AOs') here:

tm.asp?m=1792278

cheers

Chris; Thanks, I should have gone there to begin with. I have enjoyed all of the opinions here though and appreciate what everyone has added. [&o] [:)]

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Noakesy

I have both games, much prefer Kharkov to Battlefront even if it currently only has one scenario.

After reading from the link that Chris posted above, I can see why. Big improvements have been made. Now I may never play Battlefront again! [X(]

I'm real close to buying it now...

[Toby42]

ORIGINAL: LarryP

ORIGINAL: Noakesy

I have both games, much prefer Kharkov to Battlefront even if it currently only has one scenario.

After reading from the link that Chris posted above, I can see why. Big improvements have been made. Now I may never play Battlefront again! [X(]

I'm real close to buying it now...

Unfortunately, me too!!!

[JudgeDredd]

AOs are fantastic. I like the idea of being restricted.

[LarryP]

Judge;

Given the attention and interest span that you and I both have (bored too easily), do you see playing this game very much? [&:]

[JudgeDredd]

Just wrote about it...and yes I do.

I'm finding it very difficult, but as I said in my other thread, I'm not the best player in the world...so you will have to take my appraisal with a big pinch of salt.

I like the engine very much. Hopefully more scenarios will come along and, as of right now, I'm a fan of the engine and look forward to the next game in the series.

Tis true I have a short attention span...but I can honestly say I can get my monies worth out of this one.

[LarryP]

Good. I usually get my monies worth by going back to the game several times over a long period of time. Seldom do I play one for weeks without getting bored and going to another.

I want to buy this one, but with all that's being said about the economy right now (AIG, Fannie Mae, etc.), I feel kind of guilty charging games. Dang economy junk! Teach me to read the news... [:@]

[Noakesy]

ORIGINAL: LarryP
I want to buy this one, but with all that's being said about the economy right now (AIG, Fannie Mae, etc.), I feel kind of guilty charging games. Dang economy junk! Teach me to read the news... [:@]

Be interesting to see how things develop, I don't think you will be the only one making or thinking these types of comments for the next couple of years [:(]

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Noakesy

Be interesting to see how things develop, I don't think you will be the only one making or thinking these types of comments for the next couple of years [:(]

Yeah and it stinks! [;)] What we have been hearing on the news says to not buy anything you really don't have to have in the next two years. That's a wide open statement though... lets see... what do I really need... food, clothes, utilities, and games! [;)]

[JudgeDredd]

We're actually getting different advice..they do not want the economy to slow down...so they are trying to persuade people things will be fine...don't worry...

Although it is true, credit is not being promoted as a good thing.

Luckily the only debt I have is a mortgage and whilst that's a biggie, I know other people who are creditised to the hilt...holidays, cars...dining out. Also, my mortgage should ride out the house price drops...it's valued over twice what I paid for it 10 years ago

[mazorj]

ORIGINAL: Noakesy

ORIGINAL: Treale
It doesn't sound like there is anyone out there that has both games?

I have both games, much prefer Kharkov to Battlefront even if it currently only has one scenario.

Ditto here. Kharkov is superior in AI and game mechanics. I've only played it twice so far, once each as Axis or Allies against the AI. Whupped the AI massively both times (set at Computer+), a 2900+ win as the Axis, a similar margin as the Allies. Even at that, the AI is far nastier and less prone to big goofs than in BF. After I finish a hotseat game playing both sides, I'll be craving more scenarios. I can understand wanting to push it out the door ASAP, but now it's time to regroup and get more scenarios into play.