PzB vs Wobbly - Clash of Steel

[FeurerKrieg]

Well, we do have VSWG's AAR list, and it has a Hall of Fame section.

[06 Maestro]

I never noticed that thread-thanks for the tip.

[PzB74]

It's been a week and no reply from Andy.
Maybe I'll start doing some summaries this weekend - loss stats, points etc.

Anything in particular you're interested in? [:)]

Think I need some time to 'reset' before looking into AE.
Maybe let others to some testing first!-)
Lots of other good Matrix wargaming titles coming out that doesn't require 5 years of your life [:D]

[Monter_Trismegistos]

Count all the ships you still have!

[Flying Tiger]

Hey Guys,
 
Any word from Andy? Would be sad to see this epic AAR slip away without a proper farewell and closure.
 
Congrats again PzB. And enjoy those extra hours with the wife (and kids?? maybe you will have time to work on that now!!).
 
Will check back in a week or so to see if any news.
 
Stu

[PzB74]

Got a reply from Andy; he said he would have liked to see the game to the end but also agree with my views that the game had reached a low ebb and thus thanked me for the game.

I then offered Andy a draw and also an opportunity to finish the game sometimes later when we both had more time and motivation to play. After almost 3 weeks I've not heard anything more from him....
So for now I'll leave this old hunk on hold - if no more is heard from Andy I will come back with some summaries. We're almost at 300k hits, an achievement in its own [:)]

Thx for the continued support guys, think I'll download WWII Road to Victory and enjoy a good old beer and pretzel game for a while [8D]

[pauk]

hey, PzB can you make guess where this picture was taken?

Thanks for the outstanding game!

[PzB74]

Hi Pauk-San, how's the family? [:)]

Looks very much like a fjord and mountain picture....you been to Norway?

[Naskra]

I'll chime in:  Thanks for a great AAR, PzB.

[pat.casey]

Likewise; AAR was a blast to read. Appreciate the time you and your opponent both put into the game and the AAR.

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: PzB

Hi Pauk-San, how's the family? [:)]

Looks very much like a fjord and mountain picture....you been to Norway?

Great!

Unforutnaly, i wasn't been there - you would be noticed if that was a case[:)].

Well done sir! It is Norway indeed. Friend of mine was there, and he showed me some pictures! Apsolutly outstanding country[:)]

[pauk]

I'm apsolutely delighted with those photos (and beatifulness (sp?)), so i have to post another one:

A small quest for you PzB: which island is that?

[PzB74]

People not from Norway tend to notice the nature a bit more than us natives, taking it for granted I guess [;)]

My knowledge of Norwegian geography could need an update though, no idea what island this is.
Near Tromsø, or Herøya maybe...

You taken a pause from WitP Pauk?

NB! Thx for popping in one last time guys, appreciate it.
Planning to find time for some summaries etc [:)]

After prolonged negotiations a kind of draw was agreed with the Allied powers.
Not much of the Empire remains but High Command hope to retain most of its pre-war territory (not including China).

[khyberbill]

People not from Norway tend to notice the nature a bit more than us natives, taking it for granted I guess

My knowledge of Norwegian geography could need an update though, no idea what island this is.
Near Tromsø, or Herøya maybe...

You taken a pause from WitP Pauk?

NB! Thx for popping in one last time guys, appreciate it.
Planning to find time for some summaries etc

After prolonged negotiations a kind of draw was agreed with the Allied powers.
Not much of the Empire remains but High Command hope to retain most of its pre-war territory (not including China).

A well fought battle and the first AAR I read after joining the forum. Thanks for the enjoyment!

[pauk]

It is Andøy island.

Nah, we are playing our game although currently at slow pace due to Andys obligation to Allied edition.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: pauk


It is Andøy island.

Nah, we are playing our game although currently at slow pace due to Andys obligation to Allied edition.

hehe [:D]

[PzB74]

Ah Andøya (Duck Island), never been there - to far north [:)]

[PzB74]

Been promising you a write up and closure of this one, problem is that I sold the old computer were I played this game and I haven't patched up a similar version on the new rig.

Since the Jap fleet virtually got wiped out and no new additions could be launched the loss list was almost complete. The last few maps also shows pretty clearly how the Allies were closing in all around Japan - but this picture also got a bit distorted as we had to close down the war in Manchukuo because of the many bugs. In reality Japan should be fighting a desperate holding action roughly around the 38th parallel in Korea.

The unhistorical inefficiency of US subs (and some player neglect:) allowed Japan to gather enough resources to continue operating it's relatively undamaged industry at close to 100%. This combined with the great early Japanese victories in the game ensured that the Allied never were able to out produce Japan in regards to aircraft. Think both me and Andy were throwing thousands of green pilots into our airframes throughout 1945. Since Japan were allowed to introduce a couple of "what if" ac like the Shinden, the Allies had to face an even tougher challenge over the Home Islands in the waning months of the war.

The ability to overstack bases with troops, aircraft and ships and build level 9 forts everywere also severly influenced how the game played out. While Japan was allowed (by history) to expect great sacrifices from its soldiers and citizens the Allies were not. In WitP there were no penalties for excessive Allied losses - which again were forced upon them by the game limitations layed out above.

The game also showed that while Japan is capable of running wild all over the Pacific and taking even India. The penalties for "stretching thin" are always great but in this game the gambit in India showed that this approach is easier to justify than an overstretch into Australia and the wast expanses of the Pacific since a mainland link from India to Korea allows Japan to transfer troops without having to rely on the Combined Fleet for support and supplies. India also worked as an industrial basin and its surrender also forced the British out of the war.

It was possible to defeat the combined Allied navies throughout 1942 and force a stalemate until late 1943, but from then on relentless attrition and a lack of new keels will lead to an inevitable reverse of fortunes (unless the Japanese player completely outplays the Allied player - which was not the case in this game after Andy took over). The introduction of Corsairs is usually the worst omen of them all...

All of Japan's great successes in this game merely gave the Empire another year of life and this would be the only basis for claiming any sort of "victory". In real life the Japanese war against the USA was doomed to utter defeat, it was just a matter of time. The most interesting "what if" is perhaps what would have happened if Hitler had a bit more sober grip of things and used Japan's suicidal run in the Pacific to avoid war with the US for another 6-12 months. This approach would probably have earned the Nazi Empire another 6 months at most - by mid 45 the threat of nuclear devastation would loom over both Japan and Germany (if the latter had not been overrun by the Hammer & Sickel already).

Pretty sure that Admirals Edition will solve many of the issues encountered in this game, but I got a feeling that the results will not favor Japan....

Will try to pull out a final map and some statistics for you when I get a few days off this Xmas.
I see that the thread has more than 300k hits [:)] Again, thanx for reading and commenting, it has been great fun!

Also, a great thank you to all of my opponents in this game:
Wobbly, David, Nomand and AndyMac.

[Honda]

Great game, surely one of the classics, if not THE classic. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into this one. I remember reading it even before I bought the game. It was an inspiration, even the not so bright moves like losing the bulk of KB north of NG, but better to learn from others' mistakes then your own, right.

Hats down general/admiral!
[:)]

[undercovergeek]

hoda - has your aar been taken off the site - i cant get to it anymore?