4.1 OOB bugs here!

Voriax · Post by **Voriax** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 1:44 am

Greetings all.

As the 4.1 is slowly spreading among gamers I thought to make this topic ready..as you surely find something to comment

Why do I start the topic and not one of the Matrix Guru's? Because I've promised to help them by combining the future oob edits and bugfixes. Sort of a middleman.

This means if you want something new to the oob's, You'll have to convince me first! Then I'll convince Paul

So when you report bugs & requests remember couple things:
1) Nothing moves (units, formations & weapons)
2) Units & Formations can be added *if* there is space in the oob file.
3) New weapons *might* be added if you convince me that it is needed and that removing one weapon to get this new one in doesn't mess up things. (Now we don't want another Frozen Hell?)

I'll probably comment your suggestions now and then...although I have the new oob's I haven't installed the 4.1 yet. I'm testing WB's new campaign and I want to finish it b4 patching

(It's gonna be great campaign, btw)

Thanks

Voriax

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 2:43 am

Thanks for taking on this task Voriax - we are most appreciative. The grreat thing about SP:WaW is that it has truely been a collabrative between Matrix and a great many or you out there.

Here's a salute to you and the many many others who have gone "above and beyond" to support SP:WaW!

THat said we relaize that there is much to be done to firm up the formations. weapoons and units should be "there" for the most part. Formations (within the limitations of the OOB format) are teh focus of this next effort!

troopie · Post by **troopie** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 2:50 am

It doesn't seem possible to add units or Formations to the ANZAC OOB even though it seems there is plenty of room. I tried to add KAR units and formations (for battles in Ethiopia and hypothetical Kenya battles) and they never appeared. The odd thing is, I gave up on ANZAC and tried to add them to India, and they worked fine.

Also the Filipinos still seem to be officered by Koreans. I will send you a list of non-Hispanic Filipino names if you wish.

troopie

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Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 3:10 am

UNfortunately we are stuck with the current name lists for now. When an opportunity to fix them crops up I will let you know.

If anyone else wants to "join Voriax's Team" please Email me. Several of you asked, but I can't seem to find your email now...my humblest apologies!

Kharan · Post by **Kharan** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 4:04 am

-JPz's are unbuyable before '44. Maybe the chance is not working properly?

-Wrong pictures:

British Stuart VI (a truck)
British and Canadian 75mm How Bty (Hurricane)
2 German FJ Airborne squads (SPW-251/23)
Finnish OT-133 (Il-4)
Finnish OT-130 (Il-4)
Finnish M.S.406/410 (Hurricane)
Finnish 122 H 38 Bty (P-51D)
Nationalist China 122 G 38 Bty (P-51D)
Russian Yag-6 (messy)
Russian ammo carrier (messy)
Russian GAZ-4M-AA (messy)

A lot of the still missing pictures could be copied from (or linked to) same units' pictures from other countries.

-Some equipment lists go off the screen and there's no way of scrolling (British '45).

-The brackets in buying screen could display top armor of planes instead of side armor, to indicate ground attack specialists.

-Of the Soviet heavies, IS-2 seems still a bit cheap (142 points). T-34/85 costs 150 points, IS-2(M) 171 points and IS-3 215 points.

-Pershing's 90/L53 max penetration of 185 seems exaggarated compared to max penetration 150 of the German 88/L56 gun. I would have guessed the longer 88mm to carry more punch than the 90mm, but I'm no expert. Definitely not that much lower.

Awesome job fixing the bugs, btw. I don't have anything left to moan&bitch about anymore!

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 6:30 am

Yes we will have a formation update available in a month or so...getting them sorted out is quite a job

The difference is an attempt to account for the variety of non-HVAP projectiles available to the Pershing and the fact that many wouold be used in hypothetical "war goes long" or US vs USSR battles.

THe sources I have list 110 @ 30 degrees at 500m for an 88L56 while the 90L53 ammo ranged from 120 @ 30 at 500m, to over 130 @30 at 500m, this is an equivalent (using /cos^1.4) 135 @ 500 compared to 153 (using 125) reducing to "0" range brings those up to ~ 150 and 180

I could have done early and late 90mmM3 guns - that may be something the OOB clean up crew may want to do...

IS 2 takes a big points hit because it only has 10 AP rounds and a significantly less well sloped front hull than the later models (represented by the 2m. The 2m's improved front slope makes it much more survivable, but still is hampered by its small ammo load.

SAMWolf · Post by **SAMWolf** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 6:30 am

In the Lighting Strikes in Norway Scenario, the ammo dumps icons have becomne SPW's. This was not occurring in the 4.0 Version.

Redleg · Post by **Redleg** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 6:32 am

Here's a couple for the list:

1. Pre-war Philipines still have PzIVs and Schwimmen panzers.

2. Japanese 150mm off-board howitzer has a range of 30 hexes.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 8:22 am

Please don't tell me this, SamWolf! Please. I've been down this road too many times.

It's been broken, fixed, broken. ARGH! Okay, I'll take a look at it. I do hope it has not been messed up again. If so, I'll post a remedy.

Wild Bill

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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 9:43 am

Sam, I was going to send a copy of a file you'll need to correct Lightning Strikes, but your e-mail address does not appear.
If you will write me, I'll send it to you.

Wild Bill

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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 9:55 am

Sorry, Sam. I guess I can't help you with Norway scenario. I don't don't have one of the older versions of the Norway OOB which supports the scenario. Hopefully someone on the team still has it and I can get a copy added into the scenario so you can play it.

I know this must be confusing, but what you need is an oob file that has the ammo canister listed. Evidently it was removed in the last builds of the oobs so that is why you are not getting the right unit.

Soon as we get it squared away, I'll post a note telling you and put the proper oob in a spot where you can find it. I apologize for the inconvenience.

Wild Bill

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In Arduis Fidelis
Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

hnh3_sp · Post by **hnh3_sp** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 1:58 pm

May or may not be an OOB bug, but aircraft MGs (.50 cal MG at least) make an explosion sound rather than the strafing MG sound.

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 4:12 pm

The Norway bug is my fault - wrong template used...it will get fixed!

craig77 · Post by **craig77** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 4:14 pm

Not sure if this goes here....Is it possible for you guys to double the amount of units available to around 500. Also it would be great to have some additional unit classes. Such as...
Heavy Inf Gun
Bicycle Platoon HQ
Mounted Platoon HQ
Mounted Squad
Motorcycle Platoon HQ
Engineer Platoon HQ
and at least 2 more engineer squads (German army had two different types...Regt pioneer squads had 1x HQ sqd, 3x squad with LMG and 3x Squad with no LMG. The Divisional Pioneers had 1x HQ Squad and 3x pioneer squads. Each of these divisional pioneers squads had different equipment).
Similar situation with the Mounted troops. German's had mounted platoons with at the Division level and some with the Recon BN. They were very different. This does not include the units of the Cavalry Division which was also different.
Also need a motorcycle prime mover class, often the Light Grenade launchers and the Medium MG of the Bicycle units road on motorcycles and dismounted when needed.
As far as the Infantry guns are concerned, It would be great if you could make a couple howitzer clone classes and call them Light and Heavy Inf gun. That was indirect fire would be possible.
Throw in a couple more generic Infantry while you are at it.
Also many of these squads had 15 men.

Craig

Voriax · Post by **Voriax** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 4:37 pm

Gee, a good start

A number of people will be doing a bit more major changes to some oob's...so I'll most likely use the magical cut & paste to put all remarks that appear here in a one (small?) list and check them only after the larger rewrites are done.

Paul: Do I get freebies later on?

Btw I pinched your title idea.

Kharan: While I may not be able to do anything to those messy images I try to remember fix the wrong ones, IF the picture exists already. Missing pics are more problematic as non-copyrighted pictures would be needed.

Redleg: I think those German units in Phil OOB are meant to be 'scenario specials' only. We gotta decide where to put them...like the train cars in Norwegian OOB.

hnh_3sp: Hmm...in the last game I played they sounded fine..what aircraft did you use? If you played a scenario, which one?

Voriax

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Charles22 · Post by **Charles22** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 4:49 pm

Hmmm. I must say this latest version has left me the most baffled, though perhaps that's easily remedied.

V4.2????? I see the SPWAW News, and it says V4.2. Was this a real quick patch over V4.1? If so, if would understand, because I've had a couple of problems, though probably the same cause, with V4.1, that I've yet to experience with the other versions, though I probably will do some more experimentation down the line.

The first problem, is the first time I went into picking a campaign force, while picking the last support unit, the entire computer locked up. I thought perhaps I had another window up, so I gave it another go. I toyed around picking two or three different campaign forces and it didn't reoccur.

The second problem is that the FIRST time I replied no to an OP fire prompt (and when you're playing Ruskie with visibility of four against the Finns, you tend to reply, yes) the game locked up (just the game, not the entire computer). That time I definitely didn't have another window up. I haven't played it again since.

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Oh, I now see we have a V4.3. Phew! Is there any hope the new version will alleviate my problem? The only thing I've different to my computer since the last time I played V4.0, was that I installed Pacific War, but I DID NOT do any of the memory fixes that were mentioned for it, I ran it straight out of Windows 98 SE shortcut.

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SAMWolf · Post by **SAMWolf** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 6:06 pm

Originally posted by Wild Bill:
Please don't tell me this, SamWolf! Please. I've been down this road too many times.

It's been broken, fixed, broken. ARGH! Okay, I'll take a look at it. I do hope it has not been messed up again. If so, I'll post a remedy.

Wild Bill

I wasn't complaining, just giving you heads up. I still have the OOB with the corrected data available at home. If you want I can send it to you this evening.

Redleg · Post by **Redleg** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 7:39 pm

Some more OOB problems.

Soviet Guards infantry 1943 are messed up. Both leg and motorized. Both companies and platoons. No infantry assigned to these units.

Tom Proudfoot · Post by **Tom Proudfoot** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 8:06 pm

German rifle companies have ski squads in place of one of the old units (don't remember what they used to be, unfortunately). When you purchase the company, you get three Ski Squads in place of three of the rifle squads.

Tom

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Oct 02, 2000 8:20 pm

I had fixed that Tom, Somehow the last set of OObs I sent got corrupted and a bunch of old fixed bugs came back...That was supposed to be a ski unit Company - just ignore it for now and use the "other" Rifle company...

It will get fixed...

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