Cruiser On The Rocks

[Fishbed]

Indeed it is Amiens

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: Dixie

I'm not sure how the USN handles this sort of thing, but I believe that in the RN the captain is always responsible for his vessel. This applies with civilian pilots guiding the ship as well. Which is as it should be really, if he's (or she's) in charge of millions of pounds of my tax money I damn well want someone to get in trouble for smashing it up [:D]

Especially if he's not on board at the time!!! see HMS Nottingham's embarrassing incident in 2002.


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[Hornblower]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"

Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.

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Civil war battle 1862..

[bradfordkay]

ORIGINAL: Hornblower

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"

Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.

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Civil war battle 1862..

It seems that some of our Yankee friends are unfamiliar with certain southern euphemisms for the War of Yankee Aggression. [:'(]

[whippleofd]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay


It seems that some of our Yankee friends are unfamiliar with certain southern euphemisms for the War of Yankee Aggression. [:'(]

Yes they are. Most think the war was about freeing the slaves. It was really about yankee governmental intrusion into states rights as set forth in the constitution.

Whipple

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Whipple

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay


It seems that some of our Yankee friends are unfamiliar with certain southern euphemisms for the War of Yankee Aggression. [:'(]

Yes they are. Most think the war was about freeing the slaves. It was really about yankee governmental intrusion into states rights as set forth in the constitution.

Whipple

Only AFTER the War was this "true"... before the War, it was the South that insisted that the Federal government had the right to enforce its laws in state territory (i.e. - the Fugitive Slave Act.)

After the war, Jefferson Davis and several members of Confederate Cabinet wrote long treatises about how it was actually State's Rights was the actual cause of the conflict. Unfortunately for this theory, it is not borne up by their writings made before the war which usually categorically state quite the opposite.

After the War, the South was quite willing to take up the myth of State's Rights... i believed all this about State's Rights until about 10 years ago when i started reading extensively about what went on leading up to the war... i became rather disillusioned about the post-War Confederate claims.

[bradfordkay]

I wasn't talking about the cause of the war. I was talking about the way we southerners will rarely use the same name for the war that Yankees do, so when we mention it they don't realize that's what we are talking about! 

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I wasn't talking about the cause of the war. I was talking about the way we southerners will rarely use the same name for the war that Yankees do, so when we mention it they don't realize that's what we are talking about! 

[:D]

i think most people recognize the "code name" without too much difficulty...

[bradfordkay]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I wasn't talking about the cause of the war. I was talking about the way we southerners will rarely use the same name for the war that Yankees do, so when we mention it they don't realize that's what we are talking about! 

[:D]

i think most people recognize the "code name" without too much difficulty...

I have to refer you back to post #43! [;)]

[Feinder]

I'm really suprised at the comments towards lieniency (or however you spell it).

It basically amounts to a captain being being resonsible for everthing and every one on his ship, including everything that happens TO his ship.

In a similar, if not more "forgivable" scenario, altho ultimate results the same = Captain relieved. It doesn't even matter if it's not the captains "fault" (even if it was 2am and he was asleep in his quarters). Captain is still RESPONSIBLE. There is no, "I was asleep. The XO had the conn." You're the Captain, you're responsible, period. Ultimately it would be argued that if the XO wasn't a competant navigator, captain shouldn't have put him at the conn. Captain of a naval vessel is a huge responsibility, and they know exactly what it means when they take command. And as pointed out, there are plenty of folks standing in line behind you with immaculate records, so if you do screw up, there's a large pool of quality resources to choose your replacement.

-F-

[Pistachio]

ORIGINAL: Feinder
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There is no, "I was asleep. The XO had the conn." You're the Captain, you're responsible, period. Ultimately it would be argued that if the XO wasn't a competant navigator, captain shouldn't have put him at the conn.
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Right (although I do think Capt. McVeigh and Admiral Kimmel both got shafted). Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it standard procedure for a 19th century RN captain to automatically face a court martial if he lost his ship - regardless of the reason? Or have I been reading too much C.S. Forester?[:)]

[TOMLABEL]

Latest update.... CRUISER ON THE BLOCKS...

[TOMLABEL]

Latest.

[USSAmerica]

Great pictures, Tom! 
 
Oh, and the pictures of the cruiser are good too.  [;)]

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: USS America

Great pictures, Tom! 

Oh, and the pictures of the cruiser are good too.  [;)]

Mike, you mean that this Tom's picture is great? [8D]




Leo "Apollo11"

[bradfordkay]

In one thread Tom issued an advisory to "keep your eyes on the red sweater". I'm sorry, but I'm having a difficult time doing that. My eyes keep wandering just slightly south of the sweater... [8|]

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"PS - What is the significance of the name Port Royal for a cruiser name?"

Since the Ticonderoga class cruisers were named for battles in US history, I believe that this ship was named for the Battle of Port Royal Sound in the unfortunate conflict of the 1860s. What is the significance of naming a cruiser after this battle? I'm not sure. In the WW2 era it was carriers that were named for battles.

The US Navy has gone through a dizzying series of name change procedures since 1945.
CV's were named after US battles, or old ships of the USN.The USS Frankin D. Roosevelt changed this. Then presidents, Secretaries of defense and even congressmen had carriers named after them.
Battleships and large monitors (also Armored cruisers) were named after states. With the arrival of the Ohio class, States became names for SSBN's , then SSN's. Conneticut , then Virginia class.
Cruisers traditionally had city names , small cities and towns became gunboat names (also some old USN ships names). After the Long Beach , we stopped building cruisers, and begame building "Large Frigates" (which sounded less agressive. ) Large frigates were named after people...Truxton, Bainbridge, Yarnell and Halsy for examples. (They were DLG's). In the late 1970's they were renamed "cruisers" and the Ticonderoga class aegis cruisers had Carrier names....battles and old ships of the USN.

During this period city names went to LSD's, various landing vessels , LKA's , replenishment ships. In 1976 Hyman Rickover began naming submarines after cities to appeal to congressmen who were on good terms with him (the Los Angles class) . When pressed about the submarines traditionally being named after fish , he's quoted as saying "fish don't vote". He also named four submarines after congressmen. Also battle names were going to amphiibious landing ships like Tarawa, Saipan and Inchon. Today these ships are named Wasp, Essex and the newest one ,America.

Virtually every single naming tradition has been scrapped and rescrapped.The worst example is the three SSN's of the Seawolf class. Seawolf was to be a return to traditional naming. The next boat was named Connetict , the last Jimmy Carter! Confused yet? [:D]

In the mid 80's , I was asked to help out a local recruiter at nearby mall on a recruiter day . (He wanted a aviation type present , as we were a naval air station , and he was a surface type). An old timer wearing a USS Leyte cap came up to me. "I hear that they gave the name of my old carrier to a tin-can. Is that true ?' , he asked. "No , actually it's a cruiser " I replied. "Really? I was also on the Portland before the war. Is there a ships named for her?' "Yes , it's LSD", I replied. He looked panic stricken. "I was also on the cruiser Los Angles after the war. What the hell is she now a submarine?!". "I don't know how to tell you this, but yes, she is". "G--D----0 Navy"! he said, walking off and shaking his head. [:D]

[khyberbill]

The US Navy has gone through a dizzying series of name change procedures since 1945.
CV's were named after US battles, or old ships of the USN.The USS Frankin D. Roosevelt changed this. Then presidents, Secretaries of defense and even congressmen had carriers named after them.
Battleships and large monitors (also Armored cruisers) were named after states. With the arrival of the Ohio class, States became names for SSBN's , then SSN's. Conneticut , then Virginia class.
Cruisers traditionally had city names , small cities and towns became gunboat names (also some old USN ships names). After the Long Beach , we stopped building cruisers, and begame building "Large Frigates" (which sounded less agressive. ) Large frigates were named after people...Truxton, Bainbridge, Yarnell and Halsy for examples. (They were DLG's). In the late 1970's they were renamed "cruisers" and the Ticonderoga class aegis cruisers had Carrier names....battles and old ships of the USN.

During this period city names went to LSD's, various landing vessels , LKA's , replenishment ships. In 1976 Hyman Rickover began naming submarines after cities to appeal to congressmen who were on good terms with him (the Los Angles class) . When pressed about the submarines traditionally being named after fish , he's quoted as saying "fish don't vote". He also named four submarines after congressmen. Also battle names were going to amphiibious landing ships like Tarawa, Saipan and Inchon. Today these ships are named Wasp, Essex and the newest one ,America.

Virtually every single naming tradition has been scrapped and rescrapped.The worst example is the three SSN's of the Seawolf class. Seawolf was to be a return to traditional naming. The next boat was named Connetict , the last Jimmy Carter! Confused yet?

In the mid 80's , I was asked to help out a local recruiter at nearby mall on a recruiter day . (He wanted a aviation type present , as we were a naval air station , and he was a surface type). An old timer wearing a USS Leyte cap came up to me. "I hear that they gave the name of my old carrier to a tin-can. Is that true ?' , he asked. "No , actually it's a cruiser " I replied. "Really? I was also on the Portland before the war. Is there a ships named for her?' "Yes , it's LSD", I replied. He looked panic stricken. "I was also on the cruiser Los Angles after the war. What the hell is she now a submarine?!". "I don't know how to tell you this, but yes, she is". "G--D----0 Navy"! he said, walking off and shaking his head.

Yes, it is kind of sad. I wont let a Navy person tell me about tradition any more.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: khyberbill

The US Navy has gone through a dizzying series of name change procedures since 1945.
CV's were named after US battles, or old ships of the USN.The USS Frankin D. Roosevelt changed this. Then presidents, Secretaries of defense and even congressmen had carriers named after them.
Battleships and large monitors (also Armored cruisers) were named after states. With the arrival of the Ohio class, States became names for SSBN's , then SSN's. Conneticut , then Virginia class.
Cruisers traditionally had city names , small cities and towns became gunboat names (also some old USN ships names). After the Long Beach , we stopped building cruisers, and begame building "Large Frigates" (which sounded less agressive. ) Large frigates were named after people...Truxton, Bainbridge, Yarnell and Halsy for examples. (They were DLG's). In the late 1970's they were renamed "cruisers" and the Ticonderoga class aegis cruisers had Carrier names....battles and old ships of the USN.

During this period city names went to LSD's, various landing vessels , LKA's , replenishment ships. In 1976 Hyman Rickover began naming submarines after cities to appeal to congressmen who were on good terms with him (the Los Angles class) . When pressed about the submarines traditionally being named after fish , he's quoted as saying "fish don't vote". He also named four submarines after congressmen. Also battle names were going to amphiibious landing ships like Tarawa, Saipan and Inchon. Today these ships are named Wasp, Essex and the newest one ,America.

Virtually every single naming tradition has been scrapped and rescrapped.The worst example is the three SSN's of the Seawolf class. Seawolf was to be a return to traditional naming. The next boat was named Connetict , the last Jimmy Carter! Confused yet?

In the mid 80's , I was asked to help out a local recruiter at nearby mall on a recruiter day . (He wanted a aviation type present , as we were a naval air station , and he was a surface type). An old timer wearing a USS Leyte cap came up to me. "I hear that they gave the name of my old carrier to a tin-can. Is that true ?' , he asked. "No , actually it's a cruiser " I replied. "Really? I was also on the Portland before the war. Is there a ships named for her?' "Yes , it's LSD", I replied. He looked panic stricken. "I was also on the cruiser Los Angles after the war. What the hell is she now a submarine?!". "I don't know how to tell you this, but yes, she is". "G--D----0 Navy"! he said, walking off and shaking his head.

Yes, it is kind of sad. I wont let a Navy person tell me about tradition any more.

Sorry about that. I won't do it again. [8|]

[rockmedic109]

I bet they still name Ammunition ships after volcanoes.