Shock attack on Atolls

[modrow]

Nemo,

I think I read somewhere in these forums the number you mention is roughly correct, but per phase of unloading, not per turn. Not 100% sure though - check before using. I can send you a stock test file if you want, I think one can easily create one from coral sea scenario. If you can't be sure about in which phase you will arrive, use the number you mentioned. But if it's an Atoll, you might want to make sure you start unloading in a fresh turn. At least that's what I try to do if situation permits that.

Hartwig

[Major Ball]

ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

Nemo,

I think I read somewhere in these forums the number you mention is roughly correct, but per phase of unloading, not per turn. Not 100% sure though - check before using. I can send you a stock test file if you want, I think one can easily create one from coral sea scenario. If you can't be sure about in which phase you will arrive, use the number you mentioned. But if it's an Atoll, you might want to make sure you start unloading in a fresh turn. At least that's what I try to do if situation permits that.

Hartwig

So move to the target hex but dont unlaod until the start of the next turn to maximise the amount of operation points your transports have so they can unload the most troops in the one day.
Another tip for my little black book.

[Nemo121]

Hartwig., yes that was the plan.... unload for all 24 hours before attacking, gets the maximum number of boots on the ground.
 
So 400 per phase eh? That's interesting, that should help double my initial lift capacity and THAT will help out a lot in the long-run. It means I can have twice as many combat units attacking on Day 1 as I otherwise would.

[John Lansford]

It's not important when the troops reach the invasion site, but it's vital that they all arrive at the same time. If you've got your invasion troops in different TF's, assign the slowest one for the others to all follow and they'll all show up and start unloading at the same time. Movement takes place twice a day and IIRC invasion fleets try and arrive at night so they get the maximum number of phases to unload.

[Nemo121]

Well I think you'd be misguided to try to rely on the game to do this. Far better to just arrive with DO NOT UNLOAD selected and then on your next orders phase set everything to unload. Simple, effective and not subject to the vagaries of chance as much as relying on the computer to do it.
 
The only downside is that you have to be prepared to withstand an additional day of aerial and naval counter-attack. But that's a small downside really.

[heenanc]

"So move to the target hex but dont unlaod until the start of the next turn to maximise the amount of operation points your transports have so they can unload the most troops in the one day.
Another tip for my little black book."

I wouldn't do this from experience when a TF enters a hex that has a base and is controlled by the enemy they will unload a portion of troops onto the hex but no supplies will unload (if the TF is set to do not unload) Apparently it works as intended?!?!?!?

With a portion of your troops unloaded without supplies they sometimes shock attack this can lead to terrible results (Divisions turn into Naval guards.)

However if you move the TF to a hex one out from the target hex (as long as it's not a base also) then you will get the maximum results.

When I was preparing for the invasion of Java I has all my TF's set to join up at a hex just north of Sumatra as it was a enemy hex (no troops at the base) a portion of all my troops unloaded (like a piece of each of the 25 units on board) It took me half an hour to re-organize the divisions and start the process of getting them back onto ships (the unit were on ships in taskforces so I had to separate all the ship back down depending on what units they were carrying). Basically I've become aware that unless your ready for the invasion don't let a invasion force enter any enemy base hex unless your ready to go for it!!!

[Nemo121]

Hmm, weird, that really doesn't happen to me... Still, probably a good precaution to take.
 
So, 600 load points per ship ( allowing for 3/4 of the day to be available for unloading )... Makes sense. One can go to 1400 load points if you are OK with unloading over two days. 3/4 of first day and all of 2nd day.
 
That seems to give a good bit of punch to the invasion whilst minimising the number of ships needed. Not quite as strong as if you can carry the whole force on a multitude of ships but it is a good solution for the Japanese player who never has as many ships as he needs.

Right, that's what I'll do vs Hartwig then.

[heenanc]

"Hmm, weird, that really doesn't happen to me..."
 
That's a bit weird it happened to me every single time. I play stock but don't think the Mod type would have a effect on that type of thing?

[Nemo121]

Ah, I think I know what it might be. I have a habit of changing my transport TFs and amphibious TFs to ESCORT until such time as they are at the base.

ESCORT TFs probably don't auto-unload a little drab at the base. SO, the next day I change them to transport and then have them unload normally. Neat little trick which avoids me getting shafted by the game.... Nothing to do with the mod.

[heenanc]

Good little trick for the book, I think it's come a bit late for me in my current PBEM however certainly one for future PBEM's this little problem did cause me problems all over the map when I set out as Japan (absolute starter as Japan). I can thing of 3 major invasions when it did caused problems. A simple change of the TF type would be a welcome solution.

[Nomad]

Nemo is correct. If you put a transport tf, loaded with troops, into an enemy controlled hex with do not unload orders, it will unload a part of its load. If it is an escort tf, it will not.

[heenanc]

Cheers Nomad,

If you get a turn to me in the next 30 mins I can send one back tonight, no rush though!!!

[Major Ball]

Ask and you shall receive. Thanks for all the little tips. Wont get me my 2 marines divisions back which my opponent will be happy about but he did he cop a belting doing an invasion at Chandpur and lost significant forces. That was the first ever game I have started and have had very limited experience with AI.

[modrow]

Nemo,

ORIGINAL: Nemo121
Right, that's what I'll do vs Hartwig then.

[:D]

I am worried. Really. Not about your doing this to me, but you are not yourself if you start mixing up your opponents like this.

Hartwig

[Nemo121]

SSSHHH !!!!!!!!!!
 
You'll ruin my BRILLIANT plan of making Damian think he's safe and making you worried [:D]
 
Now quit analysing this and go back to fretting.

[modrow]

Nemo,

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

SSSHHH !!!!!!!!!!

You'll ruin my BRILLIANT plan of making Damian think he's safe and making you worried [:D]

Now quit analysing this and go back to fretting.

sorry, not a native speaker here, thus my potential confusion... I always thought to fret was a reflexive (sp?) verb... that must be wrong. So there is a meaning like "nettling" or "vexing" for "fretting" as well ?

Hartwig

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

Nemo,

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

SSSHHH !!!!!!!!!!

You'll ruin my BRILLIANT plan of making Damian think he's safe and making you worried [:D]

Now quit analysing this and go back to fretting.

sorry, not a native speaker here, thus my potential confusion... I always thought to fret was a reflexive (sp?) verb... that must be wrong. So there is a meaning like "nettling" or "vexing" for "fretting" as well ?

Hartwig

Fret means to be anxious and worried over something to the point of agitation. Hope this helps you.

From Miriam-Webster Dictionary:

Transative verb:

1 a: to eat or gnaw into : corrode ; also : fray b: rub , chafe c: to make by wearing away a substance <the stream fretted a channel>
2: to cause to suffer emotional strain : vex
3: to pass (as time) in fretting
4: agitate , ripple

intransitive verb:

1 a: to eat into something b: to affect something as if by gnawing or biting : grate
2 a: wear , corrode b: chafe c: fray 1
3 a: to become vexed or worried b of running water : to become agitated