HOI3

[Hard Sarge]

LOL, Sorry Erik, not sure my post comes across that I understand and follow

will be a good boy

[SuluSea]

Holy smokes, being a lifelong resident of  Maryland I don't know where to start with this map Philadephia, Atlantic City,  and North East being south of Baltimore?  I'm almost curious enough to get the demo for a few laughs..............On second thought why waste my time and their bandwidth?

[mllange]

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

Holy smokes, being a lifelong resident of  Maryland I don't know where to start with this map Philadephia, Atlantic City,  and North East being south of Baltimore?  I'm almost curious enough to get the demo for a few laughs..............On second thought why waste my time and their bandwidth?

As a lifelong (42 years and counting) roaming resident of almost every state west of Minnesota (but never east), I couldn't give a flying rat's ass whether North East is south of Baltimore and so forth. In fact, I didn't even know North East existed, and my life has been pretty darn enjoyable in spite of this apparently tragic ommission.

The last time I checked HOI3 was created as a game, and pretty much a sandbox game at that. It appeals to a wide audience (and judging by the # of sales, it is wildly successful); not grognards. From the first time you press 'unpause' in 1936 you are in an entirely alternate reality in terms of history - that's the point of the game. Strange how there are few if any complaints about the ability for Germany to completely change their faction (over a LONG time) if desired or to research only naval techs if desired, or to seek peaceful alternatives to every problem instead of war - and so much focus on relatively small issues with geography. (A few hundred miles is a small issue on a global scale - I used to drive 45 miles for my groceries!)

Pretend the fine citizens of North East moved their community south of Baltimore because they wanted a better view if it bothers you - you're pretending everything else in the game anyway. If you are willing to allow a miniscule issue like that keep you from an otherwise excellent game it is your loss. The map will eventually be corrected in all likelihood for those who care; the rest of the world will enjoy themselves while they wait.

[SuluSea]

My point is if someone is careless  with the map which requires nothing more than a google search , I'd guess that other aspects of the game don't get the sort of attention to detail I like my wargames to have.  If you're able to enjoy the game good for you, I know people that love Risk, congratulations. I'm playing Admiral's Edition and soon Eagle Day [&o] so to describe my not playing HOI3 as "your loss" rest assured it's anything but....

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: pvthudson01

Well if anyone cares, it on sale the next 48 hours

http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm? ... August1409

Too bad they don't take returns from other vendors... [;)]

[mllange]

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

My point is if someone is careless  with the map which requires nothing more than a google search , I'd guess that other aspects of the game don't get the sort of attention to detail I like my wargames to have.  If you're able to enjoy the game good for you, I know people that love Risk, congratulations. I'm playing Admiral's Edition and soon Eagle Day [&o] so to describe my not playing HOI3 as "your loss" rest assured it's anything but....

I have no problem with that. I'm playing AE and I'm sure I'll play Eagle Day as well, just as I've played WITP and the Grigsby games they originated from for the last many years. Which is exactly my point... both games are essentially re-makes (or much-enhanced and glorified patches) of the original games years and years ago; the original games had errors, bugs and problems galore (or maybe you forget?) I guess everyone has a limit to their patience - it's just that I'm enjoying both AE and HOI3 at present, and I have plenty of patience for both. I just don't understand the vehement irritation directed toward Paradox on this forum, when the subject of so much adoration (AE for example) has undergone years of correction, fine-tuning and adjustments to make games like AE or Eagle Day possible. WITP was a work in progress when it was released and the air-war over Europe games were even worse - almost unplayable, I should know - I bought them the day they were released.

[Hard Sarge]

well, I am still more concerned with gameplay, then with the map, the map is nagging, but can live with it

but the game play, something is wrong

the Yanks in Dec of 1939 tried to land in Cherbough, it is now May 1st 1940, they are still trying to land, 12 or more landings a day, for the last 5 months (that is a lot of clicking, which would shut those boxes off, but other battles are going on that I would like to know about)

which the Yanks then also landed in Brest, in fact, almost won that one, got ashore at least, but my Armor Div drove them back into the sea

at the same time, the Yanks and Swedes landed in Denmarck (my fault, got lazy and didn't seal off the bottleneck)

I think the English are trying to make a landing in Holland, but I have hammered that fleet every time it puts to sea

I have well over 600 PP, but nothing to buy, don't have any manpower, ran out back in 38
(the Mod for Austria, handing over it's troops would of been nice, if I had seen it before I got past the event)

now it is bad, I am bored, so DOW on Russia, figure I may as well get that started

I wounder how many AA guns I have built so far ?

[Hard Sarge]

overall, I think it is going to be a good game of this type !

AI is good, gives you a decent fight

clean out some of the bugs

Aug 8th 1940, took the last of the big 3 cities in Russian (I hope that don't mean I got go all the way around the world to get the other Cap ?)

the Yanks can't get ashore at Cherbough, but have landed twice at Brest, the 2nd time, after I had to rush all my Armor in France down into Spain to save there butt

LW is doing some nasty's around the English ports, some major Airbattles when the Yanks start sending planes across

last I looked, I got 35 units of Tac Air, anything that gets a shore, pays, but oddly, it looks like you can't hit them at the beach, it is either naval attack or nothing ??

of course, those battles ruin your Airforce

[RHoenig]

Sorry, but I just read this at Pdox´ forum and I couldn´t resist [:)]

pearl harbor captured! by germany!

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so i was browsing through the diplomacy screen and I paused for a minute when I noticed that the US had some surrender points, a whole 1.7% of its national cities occupied.

i was surprised, but figured 'ok this is the german AI landing in NY'... so i look all over mainland USA, nothing. I check alaska, nothing. I think maybe the caribbean or panama? nope!

so then i skim over into the pacific, and to my surprise PH is occupied by germany!

some few game weeks earlier I had seen the GER bismarck fleet in the dutch east indies, i thought they were helping me out. guess the AI had an alterior motive.

i've been delaying joining the axis war against the allies because of pearl, so i suppose i should be thankful of the AI

[Joram]

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

My point is if someone is careless  with the map which requires nothing more than a google search , I'd guess that other aspects of the game don't get the sort of attention to detail I like my wargames to have.  If you're able to enjoy the game good for you, I know people that love Risk, congratulations. I'm playing Admiral's Edition and soon Eagle Day [&o] so to describe my not playing HOI3 as "your loss" rest assured it's anything but....

That's a fair point Sulu. Wish more people would construct their arguments like that instead of simply troll like they have been. HS's comments reflect what I was worried about from the demo but if he thinks some patches could clean it up, then I may get it at a later date knowing our tastes are similar.

[Torplexed]

ORIGINAL: RHoenig

Sorry, but I just read this at Pdox´ forum and I couldn´t resist [:)]

pearl harbor captured! by germany!

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so i was browsing through the diplomacy screen and I paused for a minute when I noticed that the US had some surrender points, a whole 1.7% of its national cities occupied.

i was surprised, but figured 'ok this is the german AI landing in NY'... so i look all over mainland USA, nothing. I check alaska, nothing. I think maybe the caribbean or panama? nope!

so then i skim over into the pacific, and to my surprise PH is occupied by germany!

some few game weeks earlier I had seen the GER bismarck fleet in the dutch east indies, i thought they were helping me out. guess the AI had an alterior motive.

i've been delaying joining the axis war against the allies because of pearl, so i suppose i should be thankful of the AI

Must be the Animal House scenario. Bluto is vindicated.[;)]

"Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no."

[Hard Sarge]

Hi Joram

I think you got a great game on your hands, down the road, impressed with the AI, I would be willing to say, alot of complaints about what is not correct, were missed because of work in other areas

my biggest fault right now for playing a game, is I have been a Alpha/Beta tester for too long, so even when I play a game for enjoyment, I am looking at it for bugs/mistakes

even with all my complaints, I enjoyed playing it, and it has a good, lets wait till the next tech/build is done, before I quit

[Joram]

Well Hard Sarge, my biggest worry really is the somewhat fantasy nature of the game. I've only done the demo but in it I was completely blown out by France while I was occupied in Poland (as the Germans). It's one thing if I start in 1936 and make completely different choices to lead up to that point but it's another to start in 1939 where that would not have been possible in the least. I could care little (though the Stalingrad one made me laugh) about the map issues to be honest but being so far apart from the real WW2 parameters has me worried. One thing I would like to see is if all else was equal, if you started in 1936, and made historical decision, how would you compare in 1939 to what really happened. If it's not particularly close, then it may be a bit too fantasy for me.

Note that nowhere am I complaining about making different decisions leading to different outcomes. Duh, that's what is attractive about the game but if making historical decisions leads to completely different results, then it just makes me believe the whole thing is out of whack and I can get a fantasy game anywhere.

[Hard Sarge]

well, remember, the French did march on Germany, made there statement, and then stopped, if they had felt the Germans were weak enough, it may of been a major effort, and the English/French resaction in Norway was very strong

so, there is still enough, it could of happened

(that Norway one is very interesting, if the Germans hadn't of be so quick on there toes and got off there attack when they did, the French and English were on there way to do it themselfs (reason there reaction was so quick !, they were already on the way) and if they had done that, it almost keeps the U.S. out of the war, Germany would not of been seen as the Great Evil that had to be stopped, but just another of those silly wars

it may be a bad setup for a demo or the 39 Campaign to start right when the war does, if the West is too weak to defend, it may be the Germans are too strong in the East

[devoncop]

Hi all.

To add my two pence worth (or 2 cents for our US viewers!)........ I think the demo was poorly chosen and the game itself,even as it is now is perfectly playable and a real sandbox global simulation. I have been playing the 1936 scenario as Japan and having a ball.

No, it ain't WITP AE which I am getting acclimatised to (slowly[:D]) but in its own way it has a lot to offer and has real depth.I would not hesitate to recommend the game as someone who loves Matrix offerings and who did not get on with Paradox's "Rome" offering at all.

Best wishes

Ian

[CheddarLover74]

ORIGINAL: devoncop

Hi all.

To add my two pence worth (or 2 cents for our US viewers!)........ I think the demo was poorly chosen and the game itself,even as it is now is perfectly playable and a real sandbox global simulation. I have been playing the 1936 scenario as Japan and having a ball.

No, it ain't WITP AE which I am getting acclimatised to (slowly[:D]) but in its own way it has a lot to offer and has real depth.I would not hesitate to recommend the game as someone who loves Matrix offerings and who did not get on with Paradox's "Rome" offering at all.

Best wishes

Ian

Does Japan ever launch a Pacific offensive in this newest incarnation of the game?

I remember in the first two that they never did leaving the US to have to declare war and suffering the economic and industrial hits.

[Widell]

Well, one can talk about map- and historical accuracy issues and buggy vs WAD game play, but right now there's a fair number of computers on which the game won't even start (including my very own of course). I am a great fan of Paradox in general and HoI in particular, so I'm sure they will "fix" this. Question is when? The whole situation is pretty bad as there are paying customers unable to even launch the game! I would be stressed to pieces if I was the person in charge of that project

[Greybriar]

Am I the only one who actually liked the Tutorial? I thought it was amusing.

Hearts of Iron III still has problems. I am waiting for the 1.2 patch before I devote much time to it.

Edit: Changed wording from demo to Tutorial.

[devoncop]

Hi,

Well I cant comment personally as I am playing Japan so the fact that "yep, i have launched offensives" probably isnt what you are asking[;)] but from the look of the AAR's on the HOI3 forum the answer is "yes" and with the imminent patch which addresses the Consumer Goods requirement problem Japan will gain more strength.

Best wishes
Ian

[Hard Sarge]

well, as I said in my game, I had 3 US landings going on at the same time, and it looked like a English one was trying to be made, plus I have had a few NZ/Aussie landing in the north trying to tie me down

so, yea, looks like the AI can do landings now