HOI3

bairdlander2 · Post by **bairdlander2** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 pm

Good news patch 1.2 is out tomorrow.I retract most of what I said before.Basically was playing as Germany in 36 scenario.Everything was good,no lag,liked the new features etc etc.DOW the Allies and Poland in June 38.Take Poland and France(Vichy fires) in 3 weeks.Now it seems my divs in what became overnight Vichy France are frozen,cant move them and unsupplied.Major bug a game breaker for me,but the patch will be released tomorrow(or so Paradox says if testing goes well)and Im glad I have been learning the game and new features for preperation.

Hard Sarge · Post by **Hard Sarge** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:53 pm

for those that Care, 1.2 has been released for downloading

the change list is Huge, but kind of scary, as it looks like they repeat some of the fixes ?

but a lot of issues fixed

LarryP · Post by **LarryP** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:53 pm

This morning I downloaded it at an average of 10-15k a second! Average here is around 550-600k. And I waited for a couple hours after it was announced! People at the Paradox site said they were taking the day off to play. It's a big event. [;)]

bairdlander2 · Post by **bairdlander2** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:47 pm

ORIGINAL: LarryP

This morning I downloaded it at an average of 10-15k a second! Average here is around 550-600k. And I waited for a couple hours after it was announced! People at the Paradox site said they were taking the day off to play. It's a big event. [;)]

I guess the server was busy,I downloaded after work and it took 5 minutes[:D].No more lag in game(on high speed a day passes in approx 10 seconds).There have been a lot of fixes and bugs are gone.Also seems to be more historical.

LarryP · Post by **LarryP** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:11 pm

Yeah I knew it would be busy for several hours, but I wanted to play it during lunch, so I got it when I did. So far it looks excellent, but I will know more soon, as I sit here on the couch with laptop ready to load her up!

Reiryc · Post by **Reiryc** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:07 am

Got the patch, but the game still slows down for me after playing for a few hours.  It gets to where scolling becomes very choppy and near unplayable.  I've tried the suggestions, turning off the water effects, going from 4 cores to just 1 core, etc, but it doesn't matter.

The game is fun at time, but also quite buggy.  I'm looking forward to a patch to resolve the slow, choppy scrolling after one plays for a couple hours among other issues.

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:48 pm

Alright, I've been putting off HoI for YEARS now.  I decided to FINALLY give the HoI III demo a trial.  Well, unfortunately, I am totally lost by the tutorial.  Perhaps this was not created for those with no experience?  Second of all, I then find out from others that 4 months is not enough time to even get to use most the options anyhow... so much for the demo.

Then I find out my super-duper new computer LAGGS greatly with this product.  But the fact is.... even if I try to put in an effort here I am just lost.

Looking at this video... I THINK he's hit things right on the head, or am I wrong?  The fact that he found the tutorial useless, and he's a HoI II player doesn't give me much hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxwHk92Mj4s

killroyishere · Post by **killroyishere** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:12 pm

Welcome to the world of Paradox games Obsolete. You'll learn as many of us have that waiting a long while after a Paradox release is the best policy. I haven't bought a new Paradox release since HOI's first game. I have them all and they all work great, but, none of them worked great or really any good out of the box. You'll also save a lot of money by waiting. Most of their titles go below $20 in their first year of release. Victoria went to ninety nine cents within two weeks of release it was so bad. Well, it really wasn't that bad it was just that so many players just didn't understand how to play it and the manual instructions were really lame and the whole game was unintuitive.

06 Maestro · Post by **06 Maestro** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:00 am

ORIGINAL: Obsolete

Then I find out my super-duper new computer LAGGS greatly with this product. But the fact is.... even if I try to put in an effort here I am just lost.

The demo would be enough for a veteran HoI player to see some of the new attributes of the game, but still not enough to actually learn it. It is very different from the older titles. I have hundreds of hours wrapped up in HoI 2DD/Arma, and have struggled to make sense of parts of this new game. After about another six hours of playing today I'm getting the hang of it.

The simple truth is the game is not simple. It will take some time to master. In each sitting with it I find something else actually works which I had previously thought was "fubar". Some difficulties that many are having could have been avoided with a better tutorial. The UI leaves something to be desired, but is workable. One thing for sure; HoI2 was easier to operate.

Even with the bugs and oddities, HoI3 is a fantastic piece of work. It is not a bad idea to wait for another patch-just in case you are one of the unlucky ones to have stability problems with the game. However, if you have the time and patience to learn a somewhat complicated game, HoI3 is quite playable and enjoyable in its present state. I have had a blast with it this evening and would play until 2am if I could-but I have to be at work at 0800 so that's not an option-tonight.

LarryP · Post by **LarryP** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:06 pm

With being able to turn all the managing to AI, I've been able to learn the game better. I then turned each one off at a time and played with managing each singly myself. I still haven't played with more than two on at a time though. I'm still learning. It is a busy game. [X(]

There are several hidden options to click, colored bars etc.. I wish Paradox would use some kind of an icon or symbol on these to show it's a click able item. I had to click on things to find these hidden items. [8|]

Obsolete · Post by **Obsolete** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:49 pm

Hmm, I'll probably wait then to find this in the Bargain Bin.  On the other hand, I wouldn't mind reading the manual etc. before hand to see for myself the working details.  Unfortunately I see the strategy guide is only available for users who have registered their product...  Groan....

And the fact that it takes many months if not years just to build a unit, and the demo only gives you 4 months.... I don't see where the hell Paradox is getting these brainiac ideas from.  [8|]

LarryP · Post by **LarryP** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:30 pm

ORIGINAL: Obsolete

Unfortunately I see the strategy guide is only available for users who have registered their product... Groan....

The strategy guide is over 29 megabytes too, so it can't be spread around easily.

06 Maestro · Post by **06 Maestro** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:43 pm

ORIGINAL: LarryP

With being able to turn all the managing to AI, I've been able to learn the game better. I then turned each one off at a time and played with managing each singly myself. I still haven't played with more than two on at a time though. I'm still learning. It is a busy game. [X(]

Yep Larry, that's the smart way to go about learning this game-especially if you are not familiar with the previous versions. To try to learn "Politics. Diplomacy, Production, Research while trying to control your forces is a bit much to start with. One or two at a time is a good way to go.

bairdlander2 · Post by **bairdlander2** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:30 pm

While I realize game is very buggy,but I find it entertaining what bugs me is Paradox is releasing a stand alone HOI2 in a few months.Not an exspansion pack but more or less the best ideas from mods etc over the years and very much improved ai and interface.If I had known I wouldnt have got HOI3 lol

06 Maestro · Post by **06 Maestro** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:21 am

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

While I realize game is very buggy,but I find it entertaining what bugs me is Paradox is releasing a stand alone HOI2 in a few months.Not an exspansion pack but more or less the best ideas from mods etc over the years and very much improved ai and interface.If I had known I wouldnt have got HOI3 lol

Just where did you read that?

bairdlander2 · Post by **bairdlander2** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:36 am

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

While I realize game is very buggy,but I find it entertaining what bugs me is Paradox is releasing a stand alone HOI2 in a few months.Not an exspansion pack but more or less the best ideas from mods etc over the years and very much improved ai and interface.If I had known I wouldnt have got HOI3 lol

Just where did you read that?

Paradox forums,the game title is Arsenal of Democracy.Also expands the timeline to include korean conflict.Didnt read all but general idea was the best of ideas from mods etc and realism improvment mods over the years all in one package.

Arctic Blast · Post by **Arctic Blast** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:55 am

AoD stems from them opening up the code for their earlier titles for development by mod groups, with the idea that anything marketable to come from that could be sold for a low price down the road. There's a second game coming out that's basically a modified EU2 as well.

06 Maestro · Post by **06 Maestro** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:55 am

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
Paradox forums,the game title is Arsenal of Democracy....

Ah so-I was looking for something with a HoI title. I recall that a year or two ago there was some talk of opening up the code to a select and restricted group for the purpose of HoI improvements -it looks like it actually came about. I was expecting an add-on.

I will be obligated to buy that one just to compensate those modders that have worked so hard through the years for nothing. I suspect it will be one of the best PI titles ever (not even considering stability/bugs).

JudgeDredd · Post by **JudgeDredd** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:32 am

ORIGINAL: Obsolete

Hmm, I'll probably wait then to find this in the Bargain Bin. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind reading the manual etc. before hand to see for myself the working details. Unfortunately I see the strategy guide is only available for users who have registered their product... Groan....

And the fact that it takes many months if not years just to build a unit, and the demo only gives you 4 months.... I don't see where the hell Paradox is getting these brainiac ideas from. [8|]

I have no problem with registration for access to the Tech forum or access to documentation. It's their way of trying to prevent theft of their product and in terms of copy protection methods, it's far better than others. I fired up Far Cry 2 last night and was looking for my tin lid as I heard the disk spin up and thought it was incoming!

As for the demo being only 4 months and years to build things...the demo was designed to show you the mechanics. By accessing the screens and starting things off, you saw the mechanics. I don't really see what the beef is.

sheesh...[8|]..."Why can't Matrix Games give demos?"..."Why is this demo not playing FOREVER"...talk about mixed messages! You got a demo and it shows you the mechanics...what's the problem? Just because you don't see your "tech" come to fruition doesn't mean the demo has failed.

The demo shows you how the game works...unfortunately, the tutorials do not [:'(]

Hard Sarge · Post by **Hard Sarge** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:31 am

ORIGINAL: Obsolete

Alright, I've been putting off HoI for YEARS now. I decided to FINALLY give the HoI III demo a trial. Well, unfortunately, I am totally lost by the tutorial. Perhaps this was not created for those with no experience? Second of all, I then find out from others that 4 months is not enough time to even get to use most the options anyhow... so much for the demo.

Then I find out my super-duper new computer LAGGS greatly with this product. But the fact is.... even if I try to put in an effort here I am just lost.

Looking at this video... I THINK he's hit things right on the head, or am I wrong? The fact that he found the tutorial useless, and he's a HoI II player doesn't give me much hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxwHk92Mj4s

I would have to say, if he played HoI II and can't figured out what to do, he is mentally challaged and shouldn't be playing games

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