I purchased the game now. I hope I will not regret it.

[Templer_12]

I purchased the game now. I hope I will not regret it.

I have now bought the game. Despite my misgivings.

An important reason for this is the excellent support matrix.

There is also a new feature in the game to which I have been waiting for.


The Conquest of the Aegean forum I posted a problem thread:

[Start post]
I am immeasurably disappointed with this game! (Conquest of the Aegean)

After I've watched the videos, I purchased Conquest of the Aegean in November 2009.

The videos were great and fascinating!

After completing the tutorials I thought woa, that's great stuff, that promises many hours of fun and a challenging job!

After reading the manual and completing the tutorials, it's my way, to just jump into the game and order mostly irrational stupid trains getting used to and comfortable to the game system.

A scenario, I can not remember the name, with the German side I was ordered to reach the northernmost with my troops from the southernmost location on the map victory.

What have I done?
I have ordered all my of units, regardless of the enemy threat in the forced march south right to the final destination.
Speed: Fastest
Route: Shortest
Aggro: Min
ROF: Slow

Then I put the maximum acceleration to.
I made no further intervention to the action and after a few hours, my units reached, almost unaffected by the enemy, the southern assembly point so as to complete the scenario successfully.

I am bitterly disappointed.
Where is the strategy? Where is the challenge? Where is intelligent gameplay?



Improved AI. Smarter both as an opponent and when executing your orders?



Realism and accuracy are the watch words as this pausable continuous time design Allows you to command at any
echelon, with smart AI subordinates and an incredibly challenging AI?



I have not found!

I have worked maybe about 10 hours with the game, then uninstalled it and never played again.

For me, Conquest of the Aegean was a great waste of money.

I am sorry Erik.



Now Command Ops Battles from the Bulge is released.
I would be much more interested in that scenario than in the Aegean scenario.
But after my very bad experience with Conquest of the Aegean, I dare not to spend a large sum again for a game with such a disappointing logic.
Or is it a bug?
[end post]

Can anyone answer me this, in order to avoid a sleepless night?

I payed now to Germany the total amount of: 88.66 EUR for Command Ops: Battles From The Bulge - Phy + Dig + Tax + Shipping.
88.66 EUR. That's 109.82 U.S. $!

Huh, I hope I will not regret this.
Amen!

[Pergite!]

There are a lot of so called "gamey" tactics that can be used to ruin just about every game that strives for some kind of realism, i.e utilizing flaws in the simulation to your advantage. A well crafted scenario usually balance these flaws, then its all up to the player.  Since you never mentioned which scenario you played its hard for me to relate to your complaints.


I bought BFTB because I regarded COTA to be the best tactical/operational level war game. With BFTB, I can after roughly 10 hrs game play say that everything that was good just got better.

[billyjj]

Templar don't feel bad.. a lot of people were warning that this game was not worth it in a "price" thread that is now locked.. you tossed your money in the toilet, hopefully you learned a lesson and next time won't be so frivolous with money.

[Nikolaj]

ORIGINAL: billyjj

Templar don't feel bad.. a lot of people were warning that this game was not worth it in a "price" thread that is now locked.. you tossed your money in the toilet, hopefully you learned a lesson and next time won't be so frivolous with money.

Did any of those people actually play the game, though? Did you?

[billyjj]

Nikolaj... just stay on topic here so we don't get this thread locked also, read the OP what he said. I'm just saying, everyone has gotten burned paying 50 bucks for a junk video game myself included so that makes me a little more cautious when buying a game, like for instance playing a demo.

[Nikolaj]

Fair enough. For what it's worth, the game definitely lives up to my expectations, although those were based mainly on reading these forums, since I never played the older games.

I've only tried 3 scenarios so far, and the challenge is certainly different depending on the scenario and the side you choose to play. For instance, the tutorial scenario is very easy for the Americans, which obviously makes it very difficult when playing as the Germans.

The AI seems pretty good to me, although I have seen it do some weird stuff on occassion. I expect some of the quirks to be corrected in a patch, but even if that doesn't happen, it's still a pretty AI as it is.

Having only played 3 scenarios, though, I can't say for certain that there isn't a scenario in the game that could potentially play out the way the OP describes, but I would be surprised. Even if that was the case, though, the scenarios I've played so far seem well designed, and there's definitely room for at least a couple of replays.

All in all, I'd say I got my money's worth (or at least I will, when I have some more time to play), and I paid about the same amount as the OP.

[billyjj]

Yea well,, not having played the game myself I can't say for sure what is going on. But it could be that just selecting all your units and having them move to the objective would be enough to win any scenario, I see that happen with some real-time strategy games more often than not because the AI will most likely not concentrate all its forces on defending its objective because it is so "smart" that the best way to outsmart the AI is to do something so stupid such as just sending everything you have straight down the middle.

[Tophat1815]

ORIGINAL: billyjj

Templar don't feel bad.. a lot of people were warning that this game was not worth it in a "price" thread that is now locked.. you tossed your money in the toilet, hopefully you learned a lesson and next time won't be so frivolous with money.

What? Buddy you haven't bought it,or played it so your opinion of the game itself is worthless.You spoke your piece in the price thread and it was a legitimate perspective,one i totally disagreed with but legitimate.This game is quite addictive to play and with some corrections now being looked at will be even better.So drop the crazed "its a ripoff mantra"will you please.

[billyjj]

Umm.. okay Mr Fanboy that wants to attack me.. I'm not the one that says the game sucks or not, but if you bought a game for 80 dollars and you didn't like it you would feel ripped off wouldn't you? or would you say... "other people like it so I didn't waste my money even though I am having no fun at all".

[bretg80]

Here we go again - more rubbish

[bairdlander2]

I had aprehension about buying as well as I have CotA and couldnt get into it.After purchase I have been playing BftB at least 2 hours a day after work.Its a very good game well worth the money.Better than the same priced WitPAE which I shelved after a couple of weeks.

[Adam Parker]

ORIGINAL: Templer

The Conquest of the Aegean forum I posted a problem thread:

[Start post]


Then I put the maximum acceleration to.
I made no further intervention to the action
[end post]

Hi Templer, I did exactly the same thing with Highway to the Reich and thought just the same as you.

Now, try this with the BFtB tutorial as the US and run it for 3"game days". Set your broad orders and objectives - you'll have some US reinforcements on day 2 you'll need to give orders to as well btw.

Then sit back and wait till you see what the German AI does [:)]

If you win let us know [;)]

[bairdlander2]

I will test this now with my current Elsenborg ridge scenario.Be back to post results later.

[bairdlander2]

test results 1st screen is start and I then set all units to exit.

[bairdlander2]

results day 3

[bairdlander2]

later in day 3,for some reason units at exit wont exit.It doesnt work like in CotA.Maybe for some scenarios,but i dont think I will get to them all untill at least a year or two.

[wodin]

Templar,

I did say over in the CotA forum that I suggest you DON'T buy it as the system is probably not for you..

Can't understand anyone who didn't enjoy CotA going out and paying a fair amount of money for a game thats pretty much the same but in a different theatre....more fool you.

[Frank.Costanzo]

Templer, I would be suprised if you become disapointed with BFTB. If I tried what you did in your COTA example with the BFTB scenario I am playing now, I would entangeled with American units, and my supply would be cut off from the enemy units I was able to bypass.

IMO, this game is the best computer I have ever played. I definitly will not regret the purchase. I have only scratched the surface in learning the multi layered depth of game features, and tactical choices. I will be playing this one for a long time. Well, at least until the East Front version comes out [:)] (I'm hoping it will be the East Front).

Frank

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: wodin

Can't understand anyone who didn't enjoy CotA going out and paying a fair amount of money for a game thats pretty much the same but in a different theatre....more fool you.

I disagree for now,but I will try CotA again when i have time.I prefer BftB,mostly because of the tutorials I have a better understanding of the game.I also felt in CotA a lot of scenarios the objectives were not obtainable,for me anyway.

[henri51]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

later in day 3,for some reason units at exit wont exit.It doesnt work like in CotA.Maybe for some scenarios,but i dont think I will get to them all untill at least a year or two.

Units will not exit from an exit objective that was not there when you gave an earlier order to exit. In that case you send them near the exit objective to come and when it appears, give them the order to exit. Also some units will not exit if too many of their units from the same HQ are "stuck" in battle. This can be overcome by giving the HQ an order to withdraw toward the exit objective then exit when they get close.

Trying to "ram through" with only initial orders with the Allies in the tutorial against the AI might work, because that is exactly what the allies are trying to do in that scenario. However it probably would not work because getting bogged down for a few moves at the bridge can be fatal for the allies, not to mention having their supplies cut off if the Germans send part of Peiper's KG South to cross the river behind the Allied force to cut off their supplies.

I haven't played any scenarios where all the friendly units are on the map at the start and have to exit at the other end, so I doubt that there is a case like that described in the original message.

Henri