Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: PresterJohn
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Wait until you face P-47s. Hi Tony, Bye Tony.
Typically allied talk, bring it on.
No smiley? [:)]
Been there, done that, got cheeseburger on the T-shirt . . .[8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D]
Enjoy your little Tony vacation from The Pain. It's a'comin' . . . [;)]
ORIGINAL: Misconduct
ORIGINAL: Lecivius
ORIGINAL: crsutton
So, good that I don't know if I will convert my factories to later versions.....I am beginning to think that speed and climb rate are the most important stats for fighters in game.
Ok, this caught my eye. I didn't think you could convert allied A/C production. What do I not understand, here?
You can't change anything in the allies production, what he is referring to, is there is a time and date when P-38G is being built and when it stops, the P-38H starts being built.
Only Japanese can modify/change/convert factories.
crsutton:No what I was referring to was that you can keep all exsisting factories producing the H model when the next model becomes available. You just have to turn off upgrade for the exsisting factories. So if you are producing 40 of the H model, when the J versions comes along you will start producing a smattering of P38Js but still keep producing the 40 H version per month as well.
I did this for my B25s- opting not to turn off production of the B25C version when the D version became availble. So I am now still producing 20 B25C per month and 10 B25D. Until they sort out the attack bomber problems then I will switch it over to the later versions.
ORIGINAL: wdolson
The field conditions in the Pacific were very primitive compared to Europe. B-17s except in emergencies didn't even operate based out of Port Morseby until later in the war when it had been built up. Early in the war they were based in Australia and on long missions they would fly up to Morseby, top up the tanks and then fly on to their targets eventually returning to their bases in Australia. (Yes, I know the game doesn't have this ability, it would be tough to program in.)
In the 8th AF, units often had a lot of spare aircraft so their available strength could stay somewhere around full strength. Even at that most bomber squadrons flew at diminished strength most of the time and units did not fly missions every day. Most of the time the bomber units would be on for one day with one or two off. Only for special full efforts were all bomber units stood up at once. One of these being the "Big Week" in early 44 when every unit flew every day and it took weeks to get all the bombers back on line afterward.
The general formula for service ratings is one point per engine, plus one for liquid cooled engines. Some planes known for being temperamental have one added. The P-38E was an early model that still had teething problems. It never saw combat. The F was the first combat ready version.
The F4U-1 is another plane with a higher service rating because it was a pain to maintain with a lot of problems that were later worked out. Late war when the F4U-1D was on carriers, they had more maintenance problems than the F6Fs. One reason the Navy standardized on the F6F to begin with was that it was so easy to maintain and keeping fighters at full strength is critical on a carrier. It was out of desperation from the kamikaze threat and a shortage of F6F units that put Corsairs on the carriers late in the war.
Bill
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Allied planes were more complex but even with spot shortages of parts the Allies were in a much better position to keep those complex aircraft in the air than Japan was able to keep her more simpler planes flying. This is not the effect we see in game until much later when the Japanese service ratings get pretty bad.
ORIGINAL: wdolson
The general formula for service ratings is one point per engine, plus one for liquid cooled engines. Some planes known for being temperamental have one added. The P-38E was an early model that still had teething problems. It never saw combat. The F was the first combat ready version.
Bill
ORIGINAL: wdolson
The field conditions in the Pacific were very primitive compared to Europe. B-17s except in emergencies didn't even operate based out of Port Morseby until later in the war when it had been built up. Early in the war they were based in Australia and on long missions they would fly up to Morseby, top up the tanks and then fly on to their targets eventually returning to their bases in Australia. (Yes, I know the game doesn't have this ability, it would be tough to program in.)
In the 8th AF, units often had a lot of spare aircraft so their available strength could stay somewhere around full strength. Even at that most bomber squadrons flew at diminished strength most of the time and units did not fly missions every day. Most of the time the bomber units would be on for one day with one or two off. Only for special full efforts were all bomber units stood up at once. One of these being the "Big Week" in early 44 when every unit flew every day and it took weeks to get all the bombers back on line afterward.
The general formula for service ratings is one point per engine, plus one for liquid cooled engines. Some planes known for being temperamental have one added. The P-38E was an early model that still had teething problems. It never saw combat. The F was the first combat ready version.
The F4U-1 is another plane with a higher service rating because it was a pain to maintain with a lot of problems that were later worked out. Late war when the F4U-1D was on carriers, they had more maintenance problems than the F6Fs. One reason the Navy standardized on the F6F to begin with was that it was so easy to maintain and keeping fighters at full strength is critical on a carrier. It was out of desperation from the kamikaze threat and a shortage of F6F units that put Corsairs on the carriers late in the war.
Bill
ORIGINAL: wdolson
During the dark days of the strategic bombing campaign when the Germans had the advantage, the Germans would usually concentrate on one or a few boxes of bombers and could end up damaging most planes in a box. It did happen that every bomber in a squadron was damaged or shot down, but I don't think there was ever a raid in which every single bomber in the raid was damaged, unless it was a fairly small raid.
I believe the Schweinfurt Raid was the worst of the raids as far as Allied losses go. I think one squadron only had one plane return. Some groups got pretty badly mauled. In that raid I think 70-80% of the B-17s participating were damaged or lost.
Bill
100TH BOMB GROUP (HEAVY)
Munster - 10 Oct 1943
The Group (100th BG) put up 18 aircraft along with 2 from the 390th BG to make it an even 20. Six Aircraft aborted over the sea, one of which being a 390th a/c. That left 13 100th Bomb Group aircraft to carry on towards Munster. Here is the fate of those 13 Crews....
<see link above>
A/C 42-6087 "ROYAL FLUSH" 418TH LD-Z
The only crew to return from the mission with two engines shot out and two crew members seriously wounded.
ORIGINAL: Kadrin
Schweinfurt was indeed the worst raid in World War 2, 60 of 291 B-17s were lost, and a further 17 that made it back either crashed or were written off due to damage.
ORIGINAL: crsutton
The P38 E was a complex plane compaired to other Allied fighters but in game the difference between a service rating of 3 vs 2 is quite onerous. I have whined about this before but nobody pays me much heed [;)], service ratings are one of the nicest new features to aircraft in AE but I think they really have it backwards. As it is now the Japanese player with most of his early war fighters having service rating of one to the Allies two or three really hold a distinct advantage in that he can normally put his fighters back up in the air very fast. The reality was that by late 42 Japan was already suffering severe shortages of parts and trained mechanics at front line bases. It was not uncommon for 50% of the aircraft at an advance base to be grounded for lack of parts and the Allies destroyed many on the ground.
Allied planes were more complex but even with spot shortages of parts the Allies were in a much better postion to keep those complex aircraft in the air than Japan was able to keep her more simpler planes flying. This is not the effect we see in game until much later when the Japanese service ratings get pretty bad.
ORIGINAL: Icedawg
ORIGINAL: crsutton
The P38 E was a complex plane compaired to other Allied fighters but in game the difference between a service rating of 3 vs 2 is quite onerous. I have whined about this before but nobody pays me much heed [;)], service ratings are one of the nicest new features to aircraft in AE but I think they really have it backwards. As it is now the Japanese player with most of his early war fighters having service rating of one to the Allies two or three really hold a distinct advantage in that he can normally put his fighters back up in the air very fast. The reality was that by late 42 Japan was already suffering severe shortages of parts and trained mechanics at front line bases. It was not uncommon for 50% of the aircraft at an advance base to be grounded for lack of parts and the Allies destroyed many on the ground.
Allied planes were more complex but even with spot shortages of parts the Allies were in a much better postion to keep those complex aircraft in the air than Japan was able to keep her more simpler planes flying. This is not the effect we see in game until much later when the Japanese service ratings get pretty bad.
Isn't this more an indication of poor supply and low replacements than of service rating? IF adequate supply and mechanics had been available, the planes would have been relatively easy to service, right?
ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1
ORIGINAL: Icedawg
ORIGINAL: crsutton
The P38 E was a complex plane compaired to other Allied fighters but in game the difference between a service rating of 3 vs 2 is quite onerous. I have whined about this before but nobody pays me much heed [;)], service ratings are one of the nicest new features to aircraft in AE but I think they really have it backwards. As it is now the Japanese player with most of his early war fighters having service rating of one to the Allies two or three really hold a distinct advantage in that he can normally put his fighters back up in the air very fast. The reality was that by late 42 Japan was already suffering severe shortages of parts and trained mechanics at front line bases. It was not uncommon for 50% of the aircraft at an advance base to be grounded for lack of parts and the Allies destroyed many on the ground.
Allied planes were more complex but even with spot shortages of parts the Allies were in a much better postion to keep those complex aircraft in the air than Japan was able to keep her more simpler planes flying. This is not the effect we see in game until much later when the Japanese service ratings get pretty bad.
Isn't this more an indication of poor supply and low replacements than of service rating? IF adequate supply and mechanics had been available, the planes would have been relatively easy to service, right?
Not really..., you can't deliver what you don't produce. And Japan lacked the huge pool of trained and backyard auto mechanics the US had to draw from because her automotive industry was primitive and small.
