SS Hvy Pz Btns

[tiger111]

I`m up to Aug`44 and I`ve yet to see a WaffenSS Heavy Panzer Battalion.I know there were 4 IIRC numbered from 101 and renumbered later in the war but I hav`nt seen hide nor hare of them nor do they seem to be scheduled for arriving later.

The OOB is fantastically detailed and I`m sure it`s me who has missed them.

Any notes on their appearance appreciated.

[2ndACR]

They are there. Heavy Panzer BN's anyway. Never checked for SS units of that type.

[Grouchy]

501st en 403rd will arrive after a delay of 187 turns. 502nd will arrive after 194 turns.
Players have to wait until 1945 to see them.

[randallw]

Just in time to help defend the Reich. [:D]

[Great_Ajax]

The 501st SS fought in Italy in 43 and then both the 501st and 502nd served in France/Western Front until '45 when they shipped to the East.

Trey

[Update]

sSS-PzAbt. 101 (renamed 501)was transferred to East 24. January 1945 with I.SS Panzer Korps.
sSS-PzAbt. 102 (renamed 502) first engagement in East was 22. Mach 1945. with Heeres Gruppe Mitte.
sSS-PzAbt 103 (renamed 503) was send to East 27. January 1945 to Heeres Gruppe Weichsel.

[Steelers708]

ORIGINAL: el hefe

The 501st SS fought in Italy in 43.

Trey

Not strictly true as they did no fighting in Italy, also the 1. and 2./sPz Abt 101 were reassigned to the Leibstandarte where they were consolidated and redesignated as the 13./SS Pz Regt.1 and with 27 Tigers they were allocated to 4. Panzer Armee. They served on the Eastern Front from November 1943 until 20th March 1944 when they returned from the East and the 13./SS Pz Regt 1 was consolidated with sPz Abt. 101 forming two companies, 1./sSS Pz Abt 101(under Hauptsturmfuhrer Mobius) and the 2./sSS Pz Abt 101(under Obersturmfuhrer Wittmann).

[jaw]

If you check the TOE for LAH you will see that it has the Tigers.

[Steelers708]

ORIGINAL: jaw

If you check the TOE for LAH you will see that it has the Tigers.

Yes but my point was that they should have 27 Tiger I's and in the game they only have the 9 that the 13./ SS Pz Regt.1 had. They have not included the 18 that were attached to the 13. Kompanie from 1. and 2./sSS Pz Abt. 101 and that is quite a significant number when it comes to combat.

[jaw]

You are looking at the earlier TOE; check the one for late 1943.

[Steelers708]

ORIGINAL: jaw

You are looking at the earlier TOE; check the one for late 1943.

In the 1943-45 Campaign scenario the Leibstandarte does have the 27 Tiger I's for late 43-early 44, but in the 1941-45 full Campaign as far as I can see the Leibstandarte only has either 9 or 14 Tiger I's and not the 27 it should have for that period.

[jaw]

You're right, I did change it to 14 from 27. I know we had a long discussion about Tiger strengths towards the end of development and some changes were made to the TOEs, this obviously being one of them. I'll re-check my emails and touch base with our resident Tiger expert, Brad Hunter and get back to you on why the change was made.

Sorry for the confusion.

Jim Wirth

[WilliePete]

ORIGINAL: Steelers708

ORIGINAL: jaw

If you check the TOE for LAH you will see that it has the Tigers.

Yes but my point was that they should have 27 Tiger I's and in the game they only have the 9 that the 13./ SS Pz Regt.1 had. They have not included the 18 that were attached to the 13. Kompanie from 1. and 2./sSS Pz Abt. 101 and that is quite a significant number when it comes to combat.

Are you sure about that? Can you provide reference? I believe you, but providing proof might back-up your argument when it comes to patching them into the game. I'd love to have those extra Tigers!!! I wonder how difficult it would be to make the change.

By the way, did Das Reich, Totenkopf, and Wiking ever get their own Tiger units?

[Steelers708]

ORIGINAL: WilliePete

ORIGINAL: Steelers708


Yes but my point was that they should have 27 Tiger I's and in the game they only have the 9 that the 13./ SS Pz Regt.1 had. They have not included the 18 that were attached to the 13. Kompanie from 1. and 2./sSS Pz Abt. 101 and that is quite a significant number when it comes to combat.

Are you sure about that? Can you provide reference? I believe you, but providing proof might back-up your argument when it comes to patching them into the game. I'd love to have those extra Tigers!!! I wonder how difficult it would be to make the change.

By the way, did Das Reich, Totenkopf, and Wiking ever get their own Tiger units?

My first port of call was Tigers in Combat II by Wolfgang Schneider but I also double checked in my copies of:

Fire Brigades: The Panzer Divisions 1943-1945 by Kamen Navenkin

Michael Wittmann and the Tiger Commanders of the Leibstandarte by Patrick Agte

Panzertruppen 2. The Complete Guide To The Creation & Combat Employment Of Germany's Tank Force, 1943-1945 by Thomas L. Jentz

Das Reich had Tigers, they made up the 8./SS Pz Regt.2 and later on became sSS Pz Abt.102

Totenkopf also had its own Tiger unit the 9./SS Pz Regt.3 which it kept throughout the war.

Wiking never had it's own integral Tiger company, it is interesting to note that sSS Pz Abt. 103 was originally established in July 1943 as the II./SS Pz Regt.11.

[WilliePete]

ORIGINAL: Steelers708

ORIGINAL: WilliePete

ORIGINAL: Steelers708


Yes but my point was that they should have 27 Tiger I's and in the game they only have the 9 that the 13./ SS Pz Regt.1 had. They have not included the 18 that were attached to the 13. Kompanie from 1. and 2./sSS Pz Abt. 101 and that is quite a significant number when it comes to combat.

Are you sure about that? Can you provide reference? I believe you, but providing proof might back-up your argument when it comes to patching them into the game. I'd love to have those extra Tigers!!! I wonder how difficult it would be to make the change.

By the way, did Das Reich, Totenkopf, and Wiking ever get their own Tiger units?

My first port of call was Tigers in Combat II by Wolfgang Schneider but I also double checked in my copies of:

Fire Brigades: The Panzer Divisions 1943-1945 by Kamen Navenkin

Michael Wittmann and the Tiger Commanders of the Leibstandarte by Patrick Agte

Panzertruppen 2. The Complete Guide To The Creation & Combat Employment Of Germany's Tank Force, 1943-1945 by Thomas L. Jentz

Das Reich had Tigers, they made up the 8./SS Pz Regt.2 and later on became sSS Pz Abt.102

Totenkopf also had its own Tiger unit the 9./SS Pz Regt.3 which it kept throughout the war.

Wiking never had it's own integral Tiger company, it is interesting to note that sSS Pz Abt. 103 was originally established in July 1943 as the II./SS Pz Regt.11.

Thanks! I need to read up on the SS Divisions on the Eastern Front. By the way, I wonder if Jaw ever got back to you on why the Tiger TOE was changed. For what it's worth, I recently realized that you can change the TOE back to 27 Tigers via the editor. I've been thinking about starting over with a custom grand campaign with some changes to TOEs and AFVs values.

What I don't know is if I do go ahead and make the TOE change for the SS Tigers, I wonder if that would screw up the production system and allotment for the other units that have the Tiger... Let me know what Jaw has to say about this. Thanks!

[Great_Ajax]

Since the LAH already has a Tiger company, we are talking about a discrepancy of about 12-15 Tigers for around 8 turns. The solution we are thinking about is simply attaching the 101st SS Panzer Battalion w/15 Tigers to the LAH when it arrives in late October 43 and then it would withdraw in early Jan. 44.

Trey

ORIGINAL: WilliePete

ORIGINAL: Steelers708

ORIGINAL: WilliePete





Are you sure about that? Can you provide reference? I believe you, but providing proof might back-up your argument when it comes to patching them into the game. I'd love to have those extra Tigers!!! I wonder how difficult it would be to make the change.

By the way, did Das Reich, Totenkopf, and Wiking ever get their own Tiger units?

My first port of call was Tigers in Combat II by Wolfgang Schneider but I also double checked in my copies of:

Fire Brigades: The Panzer Divisions 1943-1945 by Kamen Navenkin

Michael Wittmann and the Tiger Commanders of the Leibstandarte by Patrick Agte

Panzertruppen 2. The Complete Guide To The Creation & Combat Employment Of Germany's Tank Force, 1943-1945 by Thomas L. Jentz

Das Reich had Tigers, they made up the 8./SS Pz Regt.2 and later on became sSS Pz Abt.102

Totenkopf also had its own Tiger unit the 9./SS Pz Regt.3 which it kept throughout the war.

Wiking never had it's own integral Tiger company, it is interesting to note that sSS Pz Abt. 103 was originally established in July 1943 as the II./SS Pz Regt.11.

Thanks! I need to read up on the SS Divisions on the Eastern Front. By the way, I wonder if Jaw ever got back to you on why the Tiger TOE was changed. For what it's worth, I recently realized that you can change the TOE back to 27 Tigers via the editor. I've been thinking about starting over with a custom grand campaign with some changes to TOEs and AFVs values.

What I don't know is if I do go ahead and make the TOE change for the SS Tigers, I wonder if that would screw up the production system and allotment for the other units that have the Tiger... Let me know what Jaw has to say about this. Thanks!

[WilliePete]

thanks, el hefe! That certainly would solve the Historical number of Tigers discrepancy in LAH. I wonder though if you can help me with the other part of my post. If we go tweaking the TOEs of units with the editor, what effect if any would it have later in the game? Using the Tiger example, lets say I go ahead and bump a 1943 SS Panzergrenadier Division from 14 to 27 Tigers, would that screw anything up production wise as the game progresses? Especially since production of Tigers are very low...