This looks like a swell game, Why no activity?

[vonRocko]

The game worked when released. It was nice to be able to play this game immediately. This game was so well done that we weren't subjected to all the bitching and moaning posts. No need too post much when the game works.
Thanks Vic. other developers could learn from you.

[Skanvak]

That look interesting, but just another game on WWII. It is true I took WitE and that I am waiting for WiF. May it is because it is only Warsaw to Paris and that I already have a game on this period (that I don't play). Though I read there is multi for one side that look interesting. I guess with north africa I might be interested or a Burma campaign.

[Rasputitsa]

ORIGINAL: vonRocko
The game worked when released. It was nice to be able to play this game immediately. This game was so well done that we weren't subjected to all the bitching and moaning posts. No need too post much when the game works.
Thanks Vic. other developers could learn from you.

+1, lack of posts can be a good thing, people just getting on playing the game, not having to constantly ask 'why is it doing this'. [:)]

[Slazz]

I have no idea really, this is a fantastic War Game at it's level. To many games I have tried in the past get weighed down by almost limitless options. It can be overwhelming to some people, me included.

The variants alone are well worth it in replay value, I have tried a number of ways playing the full campaign and each is a different game.

Another reason is i think some people are put off by the period, which if they would just do a little research and see how many options each scenario has they would probably be more tempted to purchase. This engine and game itself has a bright future I think.

[critter]

ORIGINAL: helgi

Agree with what's been said already. This game is excellent, seems historically accurate and delivers really interesting and balanced scenarios based on the early war. Look forward to more scenarios because the engine is the best I've seen yet (haven't tried War in the East yet, that's on the buying list for the near future).

Only real problem with the game for me is also one of its biggest strengths - it's so large, the battles so immersive, that it takes a hell of time to get through a scenario.

As for the lack of activity, in my case at least it's because it's more important to organize my B1's and Somuas for the counterattack against the Nazi invaders, rather than sitting around on the message board - the Republic needs me!
[8D]

Great Post..

Although I'd slightjy dissagree about the size. I like its scale. I too am to busy playing it to post much, AND I haven't even started PBEM yet.

Would love to see a Yugo, Greece, Crete (Malta) campaign or an AGS campaign in Russia.

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: Josh

The only thing I can think of that WitE is a successor of a legendary game, and it covers the East Front, whereas DC does the West Front.Other than that I have no clue as to why the DC community is so much smaller than the WitE group...

WitE is very much a special case, as folks have been waiting for it for a very, very long time.. and the pedigree cemented by WitP is outstanding. The rather low profile War Between the States is superb as well.

The main reason though IMHO is, bluntly, that there are no Americans in 'Warsaw to Paris'. If you review wargame releases over many years, that has frequently been the kiss of death as the US is such a huge part of the market, hence endless Normandy, BotB and to a noticeably lesser extend Pacific War games (and until the last year how many of them let you play Japan v. China or Russia?) The Eastern Front is about the only exception. Look at CotA, for example.. the best game Matrix publish IMHO, but sales? Hardcore wargamers and fans of HttR maybe, but for most potential casuals it was 'no interest in the theatre', or such. Much the same with time periods other than WW2. A wargame has to be truly exceptional (and very well publicised) to sell beyond the core market.

From a personal point of view (only that, so no lectures, please) DC is also over-priced; once on sale I'll buy it. I enjoyed AT, but not sufficiently for the 'I'll pay anything' attitude I had to WitE after playing WitP and WbtS. As soon as Revolution under Siege was discounted I bought it, as I viewed that one in much the same way. Good game? Actually very, but am I wishing I'd paid full whack a few months ago? Frankly, no.. too many other games on my unplayed and not-enough-played list already.

[Slazz]

I would not let the number of scenarios fool you Herston if that is the basis on thinking this is too expensive. They are well done with plenty of options and numerous variants in the way they are played. Pretty sure they are working on more right now as well.

[Lrfss]

ORIGINAL: Slazz

I would not let the number of scenarios fool you Herston if that is the basis on thinking this is too expensive. They are well done with plenty of options and numerous variants in the way they are played. Pretty sure they are working on more right now as well.

+ 1 [;)]

I hope we see more addons to this Title for sure...many hours of fun, just wish it could continue on much further throughout the entire war would be great!

[Rasputitsa]

ORIGINAL: gwgardner
Excellent game, but perhaps some players like me are in an after-holidays slump. Back to reality after playing games like crazy.

Same for me and 'War in the East' has taken a lot of attention, but in the long run this is a good game covering a interesting part of the war, before overwhelming forces made the results inevitable. [:)]

[Vic]

Hi all!

Advanced Tactics Gold is nearing release and I am already working a bit on DC again. If all goes well this game (Warsaw to Paris) will get a big update in the end of the year (if all goes well!!!! so thats not a promise).

Also I have started work on a 2nd DC title and hope to give some more info soon.

Best regards,
Vic

[Keunert]

cool! any info on what you plan to pack into a big update?

[Hexagon]

Great news, the update sounds interesting, for me the only problem with game is on formations highlight (at army level, corps level and division level) and maybe a little with the non reinforcement for units, in a future if serie cover long battles or massive battles add a system to have stocks of replacements (soldiers, tanks, planes...) and a way to reinforce damage units (a good way to force player to retreat damage units because can recover then) could be a good way to increase the game deep.

Ummmm a new title... here i can say that prefer a title covering east front but maybe Vic prefer follow a time line for the serie... a title covering the "small" actions on Balcans (from Yugoslavia to Creta) is interesting but maybe more for a small level... battalion. Well, only can say good luck and wait for a good game for team play i prefer 2 armies and divide units play with nations... much better for games like AT.

PD: ATG is close... maybe this week??? [:D]

[helm123456789]

I'm one of those that like to kick the tires on anything I buy.  Tried Advanced Tactics and it wasn't my cup of tea.  Not a bad game but just didn't give me that feel.  And WtP has this card system and any war game that has a card system makes me a little hesitant.  All the reviews and AAR reports are nice but just don't give you the same ability as kicking the tires a few times to get the feel.

Remember the CM forums when SF came out and you had two camps.  One camp said it was the cat's meow and well umm the other crowd said different.  Even seemed like reviewer's that were part of the beta group praised it.  Just get the feeling that many times the ones writing AAR's and reviews have an impression of the game that is influenced by their involvement in raising the child.

[Keunert]

i am not involved into matrix or vic's company. but i have to say i love this game a lot. it is just the right amount of complexity, the right scale and enough historical accuracy for me.
it's less complex than what i read about WitE, so having with kids and family this is just the right game for me: i am able to play a pbem turn in about half an hour and i don't have to fiddle with supply / administration issues too much.

i don't see much discussion on the quality of this game. looks like almost all of the owners like what they got.

[critter]

ORIGINAL: Keunert

i am not involved into matrix or vic's company. but i have to say i love this game a lot. it is just the right amount of complexity, the right scale and enough historical accuracy for me.
it's less complex than what i read about WitE, so having with kids and family this is just the right game for me: i am able to play a pbem turn in about half an hour and i don't have to fiddle with supply / administration issues too much.

i don't see much discussion on the quality of this game. looks like almost all of the owners like what they got.

I agree.
Between Rocketman and Vic my questions are answered and all thats left is to play the game.

[SlickWilhelm]

Yep, count me as another satisfied customer. DC:W2P has, if you'll excuse the pun, a slick interface and is easy to get into. Strangely, I decided to play the Operation Sealion scenario as my first, since it's the smallest.

Like Keunert, I believe this game has the perfectly balanced mix of complexity and historical accuracy. The addition of the "playing cards" feature is brilliant. Vic is really earning himself a stellar reputation in the wargaming world. I can't wait to get my hands on AT: Gold.