Moving Leader Location

Striker · Post by **Striker** » Thu Dec 14, 2000 11:18 pm

Is there a way for a unit leader of an AFV unit to "jump track" if the command track is destroyed? The best I have found that I can do is load his crew on the outside of one of the other vehicles, of course every time they get shot at, he jumps off.

If not available, maybe in the next version, a way to "trasfer" leadership to another unit if it is impracticle from a programming standpoint to move the leader into another vehicle. Make is expensive (in order points) and only available when command and control is on. If costs three to change an objective, is should cost the same or maybe four to transfer leadership.

Raindem · Post by **Raindem** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 5:05 am

My understanding was that if the "0" leader unit gets KIA, then command is automatically transferred to the next unit, i.e. the "1" unit of that formation. Does anyone know anything different?

Bonzo · Post by **Bonzo** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 8:19 am

I think that what Striker is concerned with is that with high mobility units (Tanks, armoured cars, etc.) when playing with command & control on, you have a hard choice to make if your '0' unit winds up on foot, but not dead. If you proceed without him, you wind up out of contact & immobile. If you load him on the outside of a tank, you risk losing him when fired upon (not good in a campaign), or he gets so suppressed that he won't load, again immobilizing you, as you can't leave him behind.

So, what is the answer?? How should he proceed?

Flashfyre · Post by **Flashfyre** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 8:28 am

Good question, Bonzo. I don't play with C&C much, because I hate not having my troops listen to me.

Let me ask this....if the "0" unit vehicle is destroyed/abandoned, and the crew survives, what does the orders stat say? What unit is now providing orders? The few times I used it, some of my units were under their immediate leader's orders ("G" units had G:4 for orders); other times they were under the next higher commander's ("G" units with B:6 orders, indicating company CO). At times, even, they were taking orders direct from A0.

And, most of the time the were taking orders from noone.

SO, if the vehicle gets knocked out and the crew bail, do they still count as leaders? Or does command automatically pass to next highest leader, regardless?

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Striker · Post by **Striker** » Fri Dec 15, 2000 11:48 pm

Originally posted by Flashfyre:
SO, if the vehicle gets knocked out and the crew bail, do they still count as leaders? Or does command automatically pass to next highest leader, regardless?

As long as the "0" unit is still alive, the program considers him the leader, regardless of the current status of his vehicle. He still receives orders as if he were in his vehicle, but without the vehicle, he is more likely to be supressed and hence not having any orders to issue. I would just like it for a way for my valiant platoon leader to say "Sarge, take the radio and carry on without me, I'm heading to the rear to look for a new ride"

JR · Post by JR » Sat Dec 16, 2000 4:14 am

Originally posted by Striker:

Originally posted by Flashfyre:
SO, if the vehicle gets knocked out and the crew bail, do they still count as leaders? Or does command automatically pass to next highest leader, regardless?

As long as the "0" unit is still alive, the program considers him the leader, regardless of the current status of his vehicle. He still receives orders as if he were in his vehicle, but without the vehicle, he is more likely to be supressed and hence not having any orders to issue. I would just like it for a way for my valiant platoon leader to say "Sarge, take the radio and carry on without me, I'm heading to the rear to look for a new ride"

What happens if the surving crew from a x0 unit exits map? Does anyone know that?

Bonzo · Post by **Bonzo** » Sat Dec 16, 2000 8:16 am

He'll still be giving orders, probably

During the "Watchword Freedom" campaign there is a "raid" scenario on a collective farm, go in, grab the v-hexes then get every one you can off the board. As I had 6 squads of Special Ops in my core, I left the rest of my core, including 3 SP mortars by the exit hexes & let the commandos take the objectives. I fire support from the SP mortars even after ther exited the map. Never did get any of the commandos off the board, but only lost 1 squad. A lot of luck & a lot more smoke & I managed to hide my squads.

I would expect that he would still have orders, but if anyone in the squad doesn't have (or loses) a radio, they'll be out of contact & stalled when using C&C.

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Billy Yank · Post by **Billy Yank** » Sun Dec 17, 2000 8:11 pm

Originally posted by Raindem:
My understanding was that if the "0" leader unit gets KIA, then command is automatically transferred to the next unit, i.e. the "1" unit of that formation. Does anyone know anything different?

If the "0" unit is killed, command passes to the next highest ranking leader in the formation. For example: if the leader of the "1" unit is a Corporal and the leader of the "2" unit is a Sergeant, command will pass to the "2" unit.

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