Bwheatley vs abulbulian GC 1.5.18 beta (no abulbulian)

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Building fortified zones and not putting troops in the same hex is largely a waste. When attacked alone, they invariably lose and your opponent gains morale/experience while you lose arms.

In looking over some of your defensive arrangements, some seem made for pocketing. Maybe in cases this is by design to gain time? There are regularly places where the terrain is left open and the enemy can flank you. He needs only moderate air recon to see that.

The lone forts was only for stopping the finns from coming over the no attack line.
Yea in the south i'm totally trading space for time by pushing hard and staying forward. I can't have kharkov falling so soon. Though it looks like on T10 it shall fall.

[bwheatley]

T10 is in the books and it was brutal. Finns are breaking through in the north now that leningrad has fallen. The germans are at the gates of moscow two months early. In the south they are driving along the open space towards rostov. I'll post screenies tonight. Kursk is being enveloped from the north. Kharkov is being enveloped from the south.

[bwheatley]

After my month long sabbatical over the holidays i'm back at home and T12 is in the books. It was vicious. To save myself stress i'm cataloging my turns and i'll probably keep them 5-10 turns behind. Needless to say in T12 the highlights were.

The germans broke through into the crimea via the eastern passage. So i've begun a retreat to the kerch straits. Rostov is probably a turn maybe 2 from being cut off. The speed of the german advance really boned me. I was not able to evac things on my schedule so everything in the stalino area was locked last turn and was unable to evac it.
Kharkov was captured last turn.
Kursk is encircled and will be destroyed next turn.
The germans are 4 hexes away from the done by voronezh.
Tula is almost encirled. A few german cavalry units were able to almost envelope the city. I was able to hit the german cav units and route them a small piece of joy.
The german near the Oka river coming from the Tula area.
The germans are 4 hexes from moscow proper and stalin has not allowed any evacuations of industry there. The soviets will stand and fight the losing battle.

North of Moscow the moscow-volga canal is the line with panzers there looking to leap over and cut off moscow.

Reserve units have been brought in behind moscow to try to slow down any cut off attempt.

In the far north the last vestiges of the Northwest and leningrad fronts are pulling back slowly east. The panzers in that area have disappeared from recon last turn. Intelligence suggests they are moving south towards moscow for the killing blow.

[sillyflower]

Not suprising given your early losses. It makes it impossible to hold onto anything very much, and leads to vicious circle of more pockets, more factories lost etc.

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

Not suprising given your early losses. It makes it impossible to hold onto anything very much, and leads to vicious circle of more pockets, more factories lost etc.

Yup at least with 1.05 I know Spring 42 won't have me smacking around a full panzer stack.

[bwheatley]

T9

North Start-


North end of turn trying to retreat.


Moscow front
The germans start their pincer movement to start choking off moscow.


Orel


Center


Kharkov


South

[bwheatley]

T10

North

A few units trapped after the finns push forward.

Moscow

The germans slowly surging forward.

Orel

The south approach to moscow is being pushed as well.

Kursk

Kursk and kharkov enveloped in a mega panzer pocket.

South

Stalino will fall next turn and the rostov defenses are being strengthened.

Crimea Defenses

We have high level forts guarding our way into the crimea.

Destroyed Units


T10 Losses

[bwheatley]

North


Moscow


Orel


Tank battle at tula

We forced a panzer division to retreat

Kharkov


Rostov


Crimea


Destroyed units


Fights

We are winning more fights these days.

Losses


OOB


Air losses

[bwheatley]

T12

North


Moscow


Tula


Kursk


Rostov


Crimea

The germans breached on the east approaches so we pulled everyone back towards the strait so we can try to pull off a fighting retreat.

[bwheatley]

T13 OOB -


North


Moscow - The germans get over the river north of moscow and the lines are tightening.


Kursk

It drives me crazy that a unit next to a city hex that has troops in it can't rail things out.

Rostov


Crimea

We freed a couple of slower divisions that got encircled and the pull back will continue next turn.

[bwheatley]

T14 - Thank heavens we're finally a few turns away from winter. The theme of this turn is continuing the general retreat as we see panzers get near. And moscow being cut off.

Loses


North


Moscow

We will be able to spring moscow when the blizzard comes but the units in the pocket (including stavka) will be practically useless. Thankfully with the last updates the units still have a decent CV and have supplies enough to put up a fight. Thankfully ara said he doesn't intend to reduce the moscow pocket since his advance was way too fast and he would feel bad taking moscow.

South


Rostov


Crimea

The advance in the crimea is at least slow.

Ara has let me know he has 3 of his main lines advancing towards moscow so his southern forces are lacking supply to really jump.

[Baelfiin]

Yikes that moscow pocket is ugly BW.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

Yikes that moscow pocket is ugly BW.

Yup

looks like your old leningrad pocket my friend[:D]

I do not understand Ara. If you are going to make the pocket you should know what to do with it not just pretend it has not happened. This is supposed to be a titanic clash of nations and ideologies, not a Gentleman's Excuse Me dance with Moscow playing the role of handbag.

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

Yikes that moscow pocket is ugly BW.

Yea I verified that i had good supplies for the guys encircled with the hq's that were there. Then the next turn I had 55 units in the pocket surrender on attack. I really dislike how the cut off mechanic works. I thought it would get better with the changes in the latest beta patch that helped make sure units cut off got supplies from dumps.
The most annoying part of those surrender battles was the germans lost an average of 20 men in each attack.

But next turn is mud and he pulled his tanks out so i should be able to free moscow. But the 355k people who surrendered are gonna pretty much nullify my hopes for a decent blizzard offensive. Hopefully winter will do it's work to weaken the germans.

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

Yikes that moscow pocket is ugly BW.

Yup

looks like your old leningrad pocket my friend[:D]

I do not understand Ara. If you are going to make the pocket you should know what to do with it not just pretend it has not happened. This is supposed to be a titanic clash of nations and ideologies, not a Gentleman's Excuse Me dance with Moscow playing the role of handbag.

Well in not going directly after moscow he was doing me a favor. He knew the tempo was very fast and i think he was starting to feel bad for me. So he got to kill 355 soviets and i get to keep moscow through the winter. Though he told me come spring it's fair game lol. And we've been roleplaying a bit as well.

In our first game i pulled 6 armies off the line in 42 since the soviets were so over powered.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: bwheatley

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

Yikes that moscow pocket is ugly BW.

Yup

looks like your old leningrad pocket my friend[:D]

I do not understand Ara. If you are going to make the pocket you should know what to do with it not just pretend it has not happened. This is supposed to be a titanic clash of nations and ideologies, not a Gentleman's Excuse Me dance with Moscow playing the role of handbag.

And we've been roleplaying a bit as well.

roleplaying more as Frasier and Niles Crane than Adolf and Joe methinks[:D]

Anyway, it's your game not mine so it doesn't matter what I think......

[Baelfiin]

ORIGINAL: bwheatley

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

Yikes that moscow pocket is ugly BW.

Yea I verified that i had good supplies for the guys encircled with the hq's that were there. Then the next turn I had 55 units in the pocket surrender on attack. I really dislike how the cut off mechanic works. I thought it would get better with the changes in the latest beta patch that helped make sure units cut off got supplies from dumps.
The most annoying part of those surrender battles was the germans lost an average of 20 men in each attack.

Yeah for sure.
Doesnt matter how much supply they have, its the retreat check that cuases the surrender. especially if the have no where to go. The air supply rule helps, look at my aar with qball he did a great job holding on with air supply in a pocket.

[bwheatley]

LOL have you been watching he's kicking the piss out of me. It's a little more then two friendly shrinks. hehe.

With as much time as we put into the game we just want to both enjoy ourselves.

[bwheatley]

T15

North
Things are pretty quiet here. Looks like they are settling down for winter.


Moscow
Things are getting hairy around moscow. We lost 355k in surrenders around moscow even though i made sure they had >90% supplies and ammo. And moscow was a well stocked city with thousands of tons of supplies. Yet still they gave up the fight. It looks like time to setup the destruction brigades to keep soldiers from surrendering.


Central
The line in the central part of the country is very line and brittle but with only 1 more turn before mud we hope the panzers stay away.



Rostov
We are hopeful the germans don't make a last ditch jump before mud to get a foothold into the caucasus's.


Crimea
We have managed to hold them from massive gains now that we are at a choke point. And we're busy entrenching the east end of the kerch strait.

[bwheatley]

T16

OOB
Well it appears a lot of my tank factories have finally rebuild if you look at the t13 oob here

We had about 1300 tanks..now for the t16 oob.

Those tanks make me happy even though they will be pretty useless until the 43 tank corp toe.

North
The theme of T16 as the last turn before mud is lines! We have finally been able to make a solid front line for the first time since the beginning of the war. Comrade stalin is exceptionally happy.


Moscow
We've freed moscow from it's 2 week siege. I guess all the panzers have gone to take up winter quarters.
Now the only trouble will be hopefully the auto rail repair units fix the rail line into moscow so i can get the rest of her factories out. I'm confident that come spring the germans will try to finish what they started with moscow.


The central line looks exactly like last turn.

Rostov
Looks like the germans wanted a foot hold over the Don bend.


Crimea
We've managed to save a little face and keep the germans from crossing the kerch strait. We are building defenses on the east side of the strait since we know the germans will be back next year.