Wildcat, Hellcat,...Deadcat?

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Tree, I think it was an attempt at humor. At least I would view it as such independent of the intention... [;)]

No,it was not. HansBolter began the insults in the Repairing Bases thread.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: treespider

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

Seems to me that many in this world have more respect for the dead, than for the living

Maybe that's because they are more deserving of it.

This is a plea for a moderator to lock this thread and BAN the excuse for a human who started it!

Wow ... I made no comment one way or the other about the nature of the content ...and I am subjected to a personal insult.

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Guess its time to hold Mr. Wilkerson's feet to the fire. PM sent.

I agree with you Tree. I'm as much of an animal lover as anyone on this forum, but I see no need for Hans to over-react in theis manner. Hopefully Hans will cool off, and realize that he's strayed over the line , and apologises and adjusts his post.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: barkorn45

Are you an organ donor?If so then you do care about what happens after your dead,if not then you really don't give a **** about yourself or anybody else.
As for my cats I have them cremated and place their ashes in an urn shaped like a sleeping cat that has the words"let sleeping cats lie".
Thats dignity and rememberance not turning them into a toy that you will eventually grow tired of and put on a shelf in the basement.

ORIGINAL: Historiker



I don't give a fuck what happens to my body when I'm dead. I won't feel anything, I won't care at all. Hang the corpse from a bridge and let it rot, who cares? Take care of me as long as I am alive!

Why should I take it different with animals? We have pets as well, but to be attached to my animals is to them alive and to their memory, not to a corpse!

I am a donor, especially because I don't care whether I'm burried "complete" or not, and because the living are important and not my corpse.

Some of us DO subscribe to belief systems that have particular methods of handling the dead (and dying). Let's not put "pragmatism" into conflict with relgion. The results are usually quite messy and bloody. [:D]

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

In one respect yes, the dead deserve more respect. Like children and animals, they can't defend themselves. We are (or at least should be) judged on how we treat others, dead and ALIVE. It seems that if you show no respect to the dead (a crucial tradition in most societies) you probably don't show much to the living. Hence society degenerates into a "me-first" society. Just my personal belief , for what ever (if anything) it's worth. [:(]

I think society always oscillates between a 'me first' and a 'society first' attitude. Might be true that it currently again swings to 'me first'. Until the end of the next global catastrophy that is.

You might be correct about the connection between the respect for the dead and the respect for the living within a society. Although I would prefer if the focus lies on respect for the living, independent of any general relation.

And I might also point out that there are many examples of societies where there was an unbelievable exaggerated respect for the dead while the life of the average human being counted next to nothing. Ancient Egypt, the Azteks to name only two. So this depends on many other factors as well.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

In one respect yes, the dead deserve more respect. Like children and animals, they can't defend themselves. We are (or at least should be) judged on how we treat others, dead and ALIVE. It seems that if you show no respect to the dead (a crucial tradition in most societies) you probably don't show much to the living. Hence society degenerates into a "me-first" society. Just my personal belief , for what ever (if anything) it's worth. [:(]

I think society always oscillates between a 'me first' and a 'society first' attitude. Might be true that it currently again swings to 'me first'. Until the end of the next global catastrophy that is.

You might be correct about the connection between the respect for the dead and the respect for the living within a society. Although I would prefer if the focus lies on respect for the living, independent of any general relation.

And I might also point out that there are many examples of societies where there was an unbelievable exaggerated respect for the dead while the life of the average human being counted next to nothing. Ancient Egypt, the Azteks to name only two. So this depends on many other factors as well.

I can't disagree with you Baron. But as I said before, "Moderation in all things". [:D]

[Historiker]

Well then...

You may care bout the dead, I care about those alive. I see practical examples in German policy that would be political and are thus not allowed here- but that show me that I seem to be rather alone with that point of view.

Sad, but again: I care about people to have a good live, not a respectfull grave. But hey, our culture includes "De mortuis nihil nisi bene" - so dare you talk bad about a dead dictator or mass murderer...

Well, I am propably not part of your moral code and ethic society. I can live with it, as I have good reasons for it (as stated above).

[LoBaron]

Thorsten, in fact i stated exactly that I rather care for the living than for the dead. Or am I misunderstanding something?

[Historiker]

I wasn't adressing you. Lheonard [;)]

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
"Moderation in all things". [:D]

Definitely. Even in attempting to pursue moderation in all things. [;)]

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Well then...

You may care bout the dead, I care about those alive. I see practical examples in German policy that would be political and are thus not allowed here- but that show me that I seem to be rather alone with that point of view.

Sad, but again: I care about people to have a good live, not a respectfull grave. But hey, our culture includes "De mortuis nihil nisi bene" - so dare you talk bad about a dead dictator or mass murderer...

Well, I am propably not part of your moral code and ethic society. I can live with it, as I have good reasons for it (as stated above).

There is a legal concept that says that a famous person has a diminished expectation to a right to privacy. I would say that included the dead. Especially a mass murder. I didn't say we should necessarilly pay MORE respect to the dead, but how about as much? If a person was evil in life , I don't think it's excepted that such a person deserves a "clean slate" upon death. But it's not fair to wait till someone is dead to dump on them either.

Don't get me wrong , society is about the living. Obviously they take priority. But by the same token we have funerals,wakes,memorials and graves for the LIVING , not the dead. When you desacrate a corpse, or demean the dead, you are not attacking simply a corpse. You are attacking all of that former persons love ones, friends, and aquaintances.

Because in the legal world (by which we must all suffer ) Corpses, like animals , are property. Otherwise the flying cat would not exist. It's the owners right to do what he wants with. (Just like that urn of aunt Gertrudes ashes might rest on the mantle...or you can use it to fertilize your roses). This whole debate comes down to "good taste". Or better yet, what we consider to be "appropriate". As I said before . I'm somewhat amused and appalled at the same time. [X(][:D][8|] Make of it what you will.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment? [8|]

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment? [8|]

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

And is it a Kami-cat-ze? [:D] Sorry....USS America wasn't around. [:)]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

American "Cowboy actor" Roy Rodgers had his dog "Bullet" stuffed and displayed in his museum upon the dogs death. Then he did the same to his horse "trigger". Rumor has it, his wife, Dale Evans was very nervous.... fortunately , he predisposed her![:D]

Freudian slip? [:'(]

"Predeceased" maybe?

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment? [8|]

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

[:D]


@Steve
Thanks for the clarifications. I get your point.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment? [8|]

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

Notably saying NOTHING about the actions this guy took or my PERSONAL feelings about them, I would only add, as I don't think it's been mentioned, that news reports I've seen report the guy intended this to be a tribute to the cat, who was named Orville in honor of the Wright brother and in recognition of his owner's love of all things aviation.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
How do I explain that I'm appalled and amused at the same moment? [8|]

Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

Notably saying NOTHING about the actions this guy took or my PERSONAL feelings about them, I would only add, as I don't think it's been mentioned, that news reports I've seen report the guy intended this to be a tribute to the cat, who was named Orville in honor of the Wright brother and in recognition of his owner's love of all things aviation.

I know that some people, not just artists, sometimes have a beloved pet stuffed to preserve their remains and memories. And that such is a loving, caring tribute to the deceased.

I still think that a mouse would get a kick out of flying a cat. [:'(]

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

American "Cowboy actor" Roy Rodgers had his dog "Bullet" stuffed and displayed in his museum upon the dogs death. Then he did the same to his horse "trigger". Rumor has it, his wife, Dale Evans was very nervous.... fortunately , he predisposed her![:D]

Freudian slip? [:'(]

"Predeceased" maybe?

Good catch Moose! [&o] I stand corrected. [:D]

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: witpqs


Same here! While I see "nothing wrong" with it in the sense anyone should interfere with him doing it, I also see it as a bit on the bizarre side and would never do that with one of our littler family members. Likewise, even though I just had a great meat-eater's breakfast I would also rule that out.

I was kinda wondering, though. That copter-cat or whatever it's called is obviously unmanned. So is it controlled by a mouse?

Notably saying NOTHING about the actions this guy took or my PERSONAL feelings about them, I would only add, as I don't think it's been mentioned, that news reports I've seen report the guy intended this to be a tribute to the cat, who was named Orville in honor of the Wright brother and in recognition of his owner's love of all things aviation.

I know that some people, not just artists, sometimes have a beloved pet stuffed to preserve their remains and memories. And that such is a loving, caring tribute to the deceased.

I still think that a mouse would get a kick out of flying a cat. [:'(]

And then go hunting cats! Scarey![:D]

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

I wasn't adressing you. Lheonard [;)]

You are the master of subtletey, THorsten. Took me a bit.
I will stuff the H and let it fly. [:D]

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: Historiker

I wasn't adressing you. Lheonard [;)]

You are the master of subtletey, THorsten. Took me a bit.
I will stuff the H and let it fly. [:D]

[:D]
I found out that this is the best way to address the misspelling of my name. It usually works immediately. [:)]