COTA to be split into two data packs

[Bazza042]

My apologies, Jim,

The above was directed at thewood1, rather than yourself:
I guess I cut and pasted his comments from your post, rather than
his original post.

The older I get......

[loyalcitizen]

<re-asking>

How does one show that they previously bought COTA? Do I have to have it already downloaded to update? Because I don't have it downloaded.
My old computer and old disks have been lost to the ages (I have moved several times).

I've bought every release so far including RDOA. All I have on my computer is the new Command Ops stuff (Bulge and HTTR).

[Arjuna]

You will need a valid serial number.

[vj531]

I paid £150! for War in Russia on my old apple. I wonder what that would be into £ now.

I don't understand all the bellyaching over price.

For me
Engine + Scenarios up to £200
Scenario packs £50

I/we don't buy them every month.

[wodin]

I don't see any belly aching as such..just a civilized discussion. Another reason I'd never mention the price here again is because if you do you get jumped on and called a whiner..belly aching..want something for nothing...cheapskate..etc etc.

[jimcarravall]

ORIGINAL: Bazza042

My apologies, Jim,

The above was directed at thewood1, rather than yourself:
I guess I cut and pasted his comments from your post, rather than
his original post.

The older I get......

No problem.

There are a couple of times where I've been a bit sarcastic and probably deserved a reminder to be more polite.

Lots of the discussion here is revolving around individuals venting about price but not understanding pressures a business faces in trying to set an acceptable price for its services while also addressing the costs it bears to offer those services.

[vj531]

I know bellyaching when I read it.

If you don't like the price then fine don't buy it.

I was thinking of getting an email of to BMW and complaining about he price of their new 5 series! but then I thought....



Dave has set his price and that should be the end of the matter.

[vj531]

ORIGINAL: jimcarravallah



Lots of the discussion here is revolving around individuals venting about price but not understanding pressures a business faces in trying to set an acceptable price for its services while also addressing the costs it bears to offer those services.







This spot on

[Tophat1815]

ORIGINAL: sharper

I know bellyaching when I read it.

If you don't like the price then fine don't buy it.

I was thinking of getting an email of to BMW and complaining about he price of their new 5 series! but then I thought....



Dave has set his price and that should be the end of the matter.

Actually it still looks to me as Dave is gathering input and has not set things in stone regarding how the pricing will finally be laid out. But BftB was not released as a cheap or value game to begin with and has had much work under the hood done to patch it to its current level. This isn't Dave's primary business and he's certainly not getting rich off this,something to keep in mind.

[Arjuna]

Well right now with the cutbacks in Defence spending this is my main business. But yes I am definitely not getting rich off it. And yes I am still gathering input, mulling over options and have definitely not set things in stone.

I do want to hear peoples feedback and I would prefer if people stop using emotive terms like "bellyaching". It is not helping. Surely we can be mature enough to appreciate that we are all different and have different perspectives. Such diversity is a strength so long as their is tolerance and respect. There endeth the lesson.

[vj531]

Emotive! moi! [8D]

[Remmes]

I bounce between 2 extremes regarding this issue:

If I look at it from an emotional point of view, I feel that € 60,- for a couple of dusted-off old scenario's is a steep price. I convince myself that I don't need them, because of the price and the fact that the Med theater doesn't interest me all that much.

If I look at it from a rational perspective, i know that they have to charge money in order to keep themselves in business. I also know for sure that I will enjoy playing the game, although the Med still doesn't interest me all that much.

I'll probably end up buying everything that is released.

I do think that people in these forums should be a little more openminded to different opinions being voiced here. It's not like we are talking a life and death issue. What is steep money for one, might be mere change for someone else.

Panther games is served best by the uncensored opinions of what people are willing to spend imho, in the long run we all are...........

[wodin]

I'm used to being called names on here...water of a ducks back.

[thewood1]

The most amusing thing in this thread is that a some are validating my comments about the forum...and probably don't realize it.

[Tophat1815]

ORIGINAL: Arjuna

Well right now with the cutbacks in Defence spending this is my main business. But yes I am definitely not getting rich off it. And yes I am still gathering input, mulling over options and have definitely not set things in stone.

I do want to hear peoples feedback and I would prefer if people stop using emotive terms like "bellyaching". It is not helping. Surely we can be mature enough to appreciate that we are all different and have different perspectives. Such diversity is a strength so long as their is tolerance and respect. There endeth the lesson.

Then set a price on the product that you can sustain your business at. Just by looking through the forum people can see you support your product,which is a major selling point in my mind.

I liked the way you initially posted your pricing rationale myself. And if you can't stay in business we'll never get the Command Ops 2 anyway or the support needed to put polish on the product.

As for maturity and conduct if all we are worried about is someone saying 'bellyaching" than we have no worries.Take solace in the fact people are motivated enough to make the arguments,points,jibes,claims of martyrdom and spews as it shows they are interested in your product.

[Remmes]

ORIGINAL: thewood1

The most amusing thing in this thread is that a some are validating my comments about the forum...and probably don't realize it.

I do realize it, but I don't see the 'amusing' part of it. To each his own I guess.

[wodin]

Tophat the problem is when people are just shot down with names mild as they are then you'll never hear another side of the argument nor hear other peoples views as people will be to scared to open up as they know they'll come in for stick. The sad thing is it's those who are fine with the price of games here (Slitherine) in general that seem to resort to name calling. It also causes rifts between people who really share a hobby and should get on and share their enthusiasm for the genre..

I've no idea why those who are fine with a pricing policy would get so wound up because others may for see problems with it.

Anyway I'm certainly saying nothing remotely inflammatory on this particular forum. It's tough when I see someone with a reasonable stance get abit of stick and I can't step up to defend them. Still I'm trying;)

[vj531]

ORIGINAL: wodin

Tophat the problem is when people are just shot down with names mild as they are then you'll never hear another side of the argument nor hear other peoples views as people will be to scared to open up as they know they'll come in for stick. The sad thing is it's those who are fine with the price of games here (Slitherine) in general that seem to resort to name calling. It also causes rifts between people who really share a hobby and should get on and share their enthusiasm for the genre..

I've no idea why those who are fine with a pricing policy would get so wound up because others may for see problems with it.

Anyway I'm certainly saying nothing remotely inflammatory on this particular forum. It's tough when I see someone with a reasonable stance get abit of stick and I can't step up to defend them. Still I'm trying;)

Because the vast majority 'quietly' save up our money till we can afford to buy said product at the price it is sold at, or pass.
I get slightly miffed when 'some' use "reasoned" or "other side" of the said argument as a smoke screen to attempt to eke a lower price from the likes of small and affable manufacturers like Panther(Dave).

I must go now - I'm busy running away from Gerry in the race to Bastogne

[wodin]

Sharper and how do you know thats there sole motive or a smoke screen. I think thats your own paranoia kicking in, because when it comes to myself there is only one person who truly knows why I say and do things and thats me and so I know your way off the mark if you think thats what I'm doing.. I believe others just may think along similar lines as myself. Funny enough I really don't think the people here are that mercenary. It's a rather poor view you have of certain people. I think the main worry isn't about their own wallet but about the future of wargaming and actually wanting the developers to keep making games. Why anyone would bang on about the price just to get it cheaper if they can even though they know it may put the developer out of business I've no idea and I truly have more faith in people here and their motives. Maybe there are people who think because Steam sells game for a few pounds then everywhere should charge the same..I don't think that way at all. I actually want the games to be a success and sell as many as possible and also give the developer a good return for their hardwork and even better if new people buy into the genre or series or whatever it is.

Maybe because my motives are actually honorable I then can't understand why it would bother people. As I certainly wouldn't get wound up about. As long as the game is good..it sells well...and we can look forward to more thats all I'd be bothered about and is all I'm really bothered about when it comes to this hobby\genre both games and boardgames etc.

[thewood1]

I am not sure I understand how to give feedback then? Is the only feedback that is acceptable a positive vote of yes please do it.