Wild Sheep Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A)

[LoBaron]

Just out of interest: What are the warning signs over the HI bases referring to? Are you already this short on supply at home, or is this just referring to an obvious oil/ressource shortage?

[Miller]

It seems for some reason the KB a/c tend to concentrate on attacking CVEs rather than CVs, as happened in one of my previous games.

[Captain Cruft]

I am not understanding why he hasn't taken Saishu To.

Well done BTW.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Just out of interest: What are the warning signs over the HI bases referring to? Are you already this short on supply at home, or is this just referring to an obvious oil/ressource shortage?

Oh yeah. We are definitely short on supply!

About half of the HI/LI production is torched and the last fuel drop other than local sources came in January 45, so most supply comes from LI. Add t that the massive influx of new units, air training groups and the combat here every day, and many bases are struggling. Some f the flags though are misleading. Hiroshima has around 50k supply at last check, but also a LOT of airframes. I have to pick and choose where to base planes and what to use. Fusan is a level 9 though with good supply and more being dropped now, so it will be the major striking base.

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ORIGINAL: Miller

It seems for some reason the KB a/c tend to concentrate on attacking CVEs rather than CVs, as happened in one of my previous games.

Last time they got really good hits on a bunch of CVs. It seemed that the ones that went for about 4 of the CV just didn't get hits. Once the CVEs got slowed too I think they just piled on. Still works, as if it is 20 CVE that is a potential for around 500 planes, plus most likely removing another 120 for Intrepid and Princeton at least short term.

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ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

I am not understanding why he hasn't taken Saishu To.

Well done BTW.

Good question. I've been flying bits and pieces in plus a bit of supply that's just filling units right now, but It's pretty much up for grabs with a big move. I think he should maybe have went for it with the Moppo move. One base in Injun country is not enough. Maybe now that the KB is lessened he'll go there.

[witpqs]

Good show!

BTW, I'm a little unclear based on the comments here about what is it that the Allied CV fleet is doing: purely striking or are they escorting troops? I might have missed or misread something here, but I've come away unclear on that.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Good show!

BTW, I'm a little unclear based on the comments here about what is it that the Allied CV fleet is doing: purely striking or are they escorting troops? I might have missed or misread something here, but I've come away unclear on that.

Thanks.

As to the intentions I can only surmise that he's attempting to clear the way, weaken Japanese striking power, to get reinforcements to korea or some other move to the North.

There are ships that appear to be amphibs and some others that are unknown near the China coast. The whole mass of stuff has been hanging around the East China Sea for the past week or two.

[PaxMondo]

Tactically, I agree with your assessment that now was the time to pull the last trigger on the KB. You got better results that anticipated. 20 CVE's is a big dent. KB is gone. Get those air groups bought back ASAP and get them filled out again. The HI is now your KB and as you note, all those 1E bombers get through far more effectively than any of the 2E bombers .... you need those groups back in play ... Grace is really nice now because of her range. I wish she had 1x800kg as the torp replacement for DB, but that's not how the armament is setup. 2x250kg will still hurt anything below a BB ... including CV's. So each Grace gets two chances to hit ... twice the odds of Judy .... I have always felt that compensated for the smaller bomb ... yard time for you now is almost the same as a sinking ...

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Tactically, I agree with your assessment that now was the time to pull the last trigger on the KB. You got better results that anticipated. 20 CVE's is a big dent. KB is gone. Get those air groups bought back ASAP and get them filled out again. The HI is now your KB and as you note, all those 1E bombers get through far more effectively than any of the 2E bombers .... you need those groups back in play ...

Yep. Exactly. Although interestingly I'll still have a force that can work at getting the 8 hex strike on occasion. Might work if I just fly no CAP and put it all on escort and strike. I'll have roughly 340 airframe spots on decks right now. So if I used 200 Sams and no CAP, a 140 plane strike package could still pack a wallop, especially if he does try a landing in the next few days. If it doesn't get sunk repairing, Kasagi could be back in a month or so, Taiho in maybe two.

Bought back three groups already and the PPs are gone for now. Every few days I can get another. Nice that the pilots come back too.

Grace is really nice now because of her range. I wish she had 1x800kg as the torp replacement for DB, but that's not how the armament is setup. 2x250kg will still hurt anything below a BB ... including CV's. So each Grace gets two chances to hit ... twice the odds of Judy .... I have always felt that compensated for the smaller bomb ... yard time for you now is almost the same as a sinking ...

I love the Grace, and I also think the 2 x 250kg is actually a good balance to the Judy's big 800kg. The range is amazing, and I still have a decent pool of these. more Judys though.

[Lokasenna]

Good battle. Way to land one on his chin.

Is that a Dropbox setting that captures your screenshot as an image file as you take it? Can you share how you do that? It would be handy to do what you do (take pics during replays).

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: obvert

Yep. Exactly. Although interestingly I'll still have a force that can work at getting the 8 hex strike on occasion. Might work if I just fly no CAP and put it all on escort and strike. I'll have roughly 340 airframe spots on decks right now. So if I used 200 Sams and no CAP, a 140 plane strike package could still pack a wallop, especially if he does try a landing in the next few days. If it doesn't get sunk repairing, Kasagi could be back in a month or so, Taiho in maybe two.

200 Sam's against his 1000 plane CAP .... they would need help ... My tactical guidelines for taking on CV forces is to have a 3:1 edge in total planes compared to CAP. Preferrably fighters, but doesn't have to be. So for me to take on his main CV force, I need 3000 planes ... a coordinated strike would be great, but even piecemeal it will eventually get through. For my 3000 planes I am looking for ~9 CV's ... 3CV's/1000 planes committed. Meaning I am willing and prepared to trade 1000 ac+pilots to take out 300 planes capacity of the allies. I plan for ~12000 ac and pilots to accomplish this ...

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Just out of interest: What are the warning signs over the HI bases referring to? Are you already this short on supply at home, or is this just referring to an obvious oil/ressource shortage?

Oh yeah. We are definitely short on supply!

About half of the HI/LI production is torched and the last fuel drop other than local sources came in January 45, so most supply comes from LI. Add t that the massive influx of new units, air training groups and the combat here every day, and many bases are struggling. Some f the flags though are misleading. Hiroshima has around 50k supply at last check, but also a LOT of airframes. I have to pick and choose where to base planes and what to use. Fusan is a level 9 though with good supply and more being dropped now, so it will be the major striking base.

Ah in this case my original comment about the lacking value of KB is partly void, as it provides a platform for a couple of hundreds of aircraft without consuming supplies per mission.

Good luck there! Now it is time for Götterdämmerung!

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Just out of interest: What are the warning signs over the HI bases referring to? Are you already this short on supply at home, or is this just referring to an obvious oil/ressource shortage?

Oh yeah. We are definitely short on supply!

About half of the HI/LI production is torched and the last fuel drop other than local sources came in January 45, so most supply comes from LI. Add t that the massive influx of new units, air training groups and the combat here every day, and many bases are struggling. Some f the flags though are misleading. Hiroshima has around 50k supply at last check, but also a LOT of airframes. I have to pick and choose where to base planes and what to use. Fusan is a level 9 though with good supply and more being dropped now, so it will be the major striking base.

Ah in this case my original comment about the lacking value of KB is partly void, as it provides a platform for a couple of hundreds of aircraft without consuming supplies per mission.

Good luck there! Now it is time for Götterdämmerung!

Well technically it uses up sorties, which need supply to replenish, but yeah I'm with you.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Good battle. Way to land one on his chin.

Is that a Dropbox setting that captures your screenshot as an image file as you take it? Can you share how you do that? It would be handy to do what you do (take pics during replays).

Yeah. Just a dropbox setting so that every time I hit alt>prtsc it goes rich to drop box. I think dropbox just asked me if I wanted to send them there once when I took a screenshot, and once it got set up has been working ever since.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Just out of interest: What are the warning signs over the HI bases referring to? Are you already this short on supply at home, or is this just referring to an obvious oil/ressource shortage?

Oh yeah. We are definitely short on supply!

About half of the HI/LI production is torched and the last fuel drop other than local sources came in January 45, so most supply comes from LI. Add t that the massive influx of new units, air training groups and the combat here every day, and many bases are struggling. Some f the flags though are misleading. Hiroshima has around 50k supply at last check, but also a LOT of airframes. I have to pick and choose where to base planes and what to use. Fusan is a level 9 though with good supply and more being dropped now, so it will be the major striking base.

Ah in this case my original comment about the lacking value of KB is partly void, as it provides a platform for a couple of hundreds of aircraft without consuming supplies per mission.

Good luck there! Now it is time for Götterdämmerung!

I will miss that, yes, but sorties still take some supplies every time they are replenished.

[obvert]

Lost a lot of pilots yesterday, but they did what they were supposed to do. Here is a list filter by missions. Hoshikura, V. tops the list with 1335!!! [X(]

Pretty remarkable when you con side that is more missions than days in the campaign so far! We've played about 1302 turns, if my count is correct.

Amazing some of these 80+ experience pilots make it this far. There are quite a few still from the beginning of the game.

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[font="Times New Roman"]DAY 2[/font]
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So the turn is away to Jocke. I had a malware hit the game computer last night. Some thing that encrypts files unless you pay a fee. Silly. I have few files on this computer so I'm not too worried, but it's a hassle as usual to figure out how to remove it. That will be this afternoon's project.

Jocke will need some time for this one too. He'll have some tough decisions to consider I'm sure. Scuttle the damaged and move South quickly? Try to save some and stay in the heart of our LBA range longer? Risk hitting the ports where our damaged might go? Land reinforcements at Moppo, or some other landing up the coast?

It'll be interesting again. [:)]

[obvert]

[font="Times New Roman"]SHIP LOSSES: IJN[/font]
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Here are the losses for the IJN in the last month!!! Yes, this is the list for the last month. As stated before, the Es are the kami ship of choice. They have been there to clear the way for bombardments, get Allied ships lower on ammo and ops points and make mine fields 'known' in whatever way possible. Of course they've done a number in Allied subs as well, which will be shown in the next list. The crazy thing is that I still get 2-3 a week new and there are a ton left to use! [;)]

Destroyers are another story. now that our need for them in the KB has lessened more will be allocated to surface combat. Losing 31 in the month is pretty dire, but this is mid-45, and the Allies have actually lost more.

The Yamashiro is out for a good while, maybe the war, but the Mutsu and Nagato are coming back in a few days from repairs.

About 15 new AMc have just been converted. That ought to last at least two months with the current pace of Allied air-mining and the ones we have left. MLs can supplement with even higher loss rates, but what else will I use them for?

CV ---- 2 (maybe 1-2 more in the next few days out of the 4 heavily damaged)
CVL ---- 2
CVE ---- 3

BB ---- 3 (with Yamashiro heavily damaged)
CL ---- 1
CS ---- 2

DD ---- 31

E ---- 75

SS ---- 6

PB ---- 10

AMc ---- 9
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[font="Times New Roman"]SHIP LOSSES: ALLIES[/font]
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This list is of course incomplete. Below are the estimates and farther down I've put the damage list from the previous CV battle when the Moppo invasion went in. There should be several more CVs, CVLs and many CVEs still to be added from those several days and this recent engagement. I've put in probable estimates.

Lots of guess work, but really it's just a lot of ships hit in such a short amount of game time. Wow.

For the subs most of these listed are pretty close to if not completely confirmed. I'll gladly trade 75 E for 34 subs and a closed fields at Moppo. [:)]
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CV ---- 5 (2-3 more heavily damaged, 3-4 more lightly damaged)
CVL ---- 3 (1 more moderately damaged)
CVE ---- 28 (3-4 more moderately to heavily damaged)

BB ---- 1 (1-2 more that might need yard time from torpedo hits)
CA ---- 1 (four more that took torpedo hits)
CL ---- 2-3 (3 more that might need repair from torps or kamis)
CLAA ---- 2
DD ---- 31

APA/AKA ---- 12 (maybe 5 more, and a lot damaged to some degree)

SS ---- 34 (with many more damaged)

DE ---- 3

PT ---- 72

[font="Times New Roman"]ALLIED SHIPS HIT[/font]
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CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
CV Viking, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CV Viking
CV Valhalla, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CV Valhalla
CV Victorious, Bomb hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Franklin, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CV Franklin
CV Indefatigable, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Randolph, Kamikaze hits 1
CV Midgaard, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CV Shangri-La, Torpedo hits 1, Bomb hits 1, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yggdrasil, Bomb hits 1, on fire

June 1

CV Intrepid, Kamikaze hits 1
Fuel storage explosion on CV Intrepid


CVL Cabot, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Cabot
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Cabot
Ammo storage explosion on CVL Cabot
CVL Independence, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Independence
CVL Langley, Torpedo hits 2, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
Ammo storage explosion on CVL Langley
CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires

June 1

CVL Princeton, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Princeton
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CVE Roi, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Roi
CVE Corregidor, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
Massive explosion on CVE Corregidor
CVE Saginaw Bay, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Saginaw Bay
CVE Matanikau, Torpedo hits 1, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Matanikau
CVE Shipley Bay, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Shipley Bay
CVE Makassar Strait, Torpedo hits 2, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Takanis Bay, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Windham Bay, Torpedo hits 2, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CVE Stalker, Kamikaze hits 1
CVE Block Island, Kamikaze hits 1
CVE Thetis Bay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Liscome Bay, Kamikaze hits 1
CVE Makin Island, Torpedo hits 1

June 1

CVE Attacker, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Attacker
CVE Hollandia, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk[/b]
CVE Activity, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Activity
CVE Admiralty Island, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Admiralty Island
CVE Sitkoh Bay, Bomb hits 8, and is sunk
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Sitkoh Bay
CVE Begum, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Begum
CVE Steamer Bay, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Steamer Bay
[font="Trebuchet MS"]CVE Wake Island, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Battler, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Kalinin Bay, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Kalinin Bay
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Kalinin Bay
CVE Ranee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Ranee
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Ranee
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Ranee
CVE Manila Bay, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Attu, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Munda, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Shamrock Bay, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Shamrock Bay
CVE Fencer, Torpedo hits 1
CVE Rajah, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage ---- on sunk list
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Rajah
CVE Sargent Bay, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Salamaua, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
Massive explosion on CVE Salamaua
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Salamaua
CVE Empress, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Empress
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Empress
CVE White Plains, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk


BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 2, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 2, Bomb hits 1
BB Idaho, Torpedo hits 1
BB Colorado, Bomb hits 1
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 1
BB King George V, Kamikaze hits 1
BB Queen Elizabeth, Kamikaze hits 1


CA Chester, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Suffolk, Torpedo hits 1
CA Dorsetshire, Torpedo hits 1
CA Cornwall, Torpedo hits 1
CA Tuscaloosa, Torpedo hits 1

CL Montpelier, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
CL Pasadena, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire
CL Heimdal, Kamikaze hits 1
CL Wilkes-Barre, Kamikaze hits 1
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
CL Cleveland, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
CL Springfield, Kamikaze hits 1
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1

CLAA Oakland, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage


DD Warrington, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
DD Stephen Potter, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Twining, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Mertz, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Mertz, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Evans,Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Evans, Shell hits 4, heavy damage
DD Evans, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD Izard, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Halford, Bomb hits 1
DD Halford, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Halford, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD John Henley, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
Magazine explodes on DD John Henley
DD Haraden, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Schroeder, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Dyson, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Braine, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Dashiell, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Dashiell, Shell hits 22, and is sunk
DD Johnston, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Hopewell, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Purdy, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Remey, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Massive explosion on DD Remey
DD Kempenfelt, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Thompson, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Grenville, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Brownson, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage
DD Hammann, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Downes, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD De Haven II, Shell hits 10, on fire
DD Luce, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Albert Grant, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD LaVallette, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Murray, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Morrison, Kamikaze hits 1


xAP Neptuna, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APA Telfair, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APA Doyen, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
APA La Salle, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AKA Chara, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Manderson Victory, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APA Renville, Bomb hits 2, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA Pickens, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA Marathon, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire
APA Natrona, Kamikaze hits 2
APA Sumter, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires
APA Mellette, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA Menifee, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA George Clymer, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APA Harris, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA Wayne, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAP Cape Meares, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
APA Ormsby, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
Massive explosion on APA Ormsby[/b]
APA Warren, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APA Noble, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APA J. Franklin Bell, Kamikaze hits 1
APA George F. Elliot, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Charles Carroll, Kamikaze hits 1
APA John Penn, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Sarasota, Kamikaze hits 1
AKA Alhena, Kamikaze hits 1
AKA Libra, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Neville, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Barnett, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Oxford, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Harris, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Thomas Jefferson, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
APA Latimer, Kamikaze hits 1
APA La Porte, Kamikaze hits 1
APA George Clymer, Kamikaze hits 1
APA Griggs, Torpedo hits 1
AKA Hydrus, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AKA Southampton, Bomb hits 1, on fire
APA Laurens, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
APA Joseph T. Dickman, Bomb hits 1, on fire

DE Hutchins, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
DE Canfield, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Osmus, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
DE Paul G. Baker, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Alvin C. Cockrell, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DE Cloues, Shell hits 3, on fire
DE Hemminger, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DE Spangler, Bomb hits 1
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