hi all.
If the following doesn't get me kicked off these forums, then the next will, or the next...
The writer always understands what they are saying, even before the first keystroke. Good writers understand that what they write must be seen through the readers eyes. This is usually the job of the editor, to keep the writer focused on the reader. Specifically, now pay attention! Writer writes something, editor says, well the reader will read this and then think this or that taking the literal meaning of the words and showing how the reader might interpret them. Clarity means there is only one interpretation possible.
Maybe some of you have noticed, when reading introductory remarks in published books, that the writer always copiously thanks the editor. Ever wonder why? No, you did not, that's because you have no clue as to the editing process. I myself have barely a clue.
What wite needs is a dedicated sub forum, called "living manual" to borrow morvael'(SP) term. Remarks on this forum would have to flow though an editor. Ain't gonna happen though unless more than a few of you guys wake up and realize editing is more than spell check!!!
The regular war room stays as is, full of blather, and worse.
charlie
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and Matrix listened...and created 'sticky' threads [:)]
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GamesaurusRex
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Come on charlie0311:
Your gonna have to develop a thicker hide or you ain't gonna survive these trenches...
Besides.. the cryptic nature of some of the postings is the essence of their chachet.
Your gonna have to develop a thicker hide or you ain't gonna survive these trenches...
Besides.. the cryptic nature of some of the postings is the essence of their chachet.
"Real Life" is a game... THIS is war !
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charlie0311
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g'day mates,
"and worse" meant factually incorrect, i knew somebody would take it as meaning insults. It's a cryptic hint about the editing process, dude!
here's a little something the matrix guys may get. Commercial success, got the right button pushed now? The editing process enhances the product and increases (that means more money, for all you geniuses out there) commercial success. That's why it exists, DUDE!!
BTW, my question about sov moral. the manual says 45 NM (sov) for the early game, in my game all that t3/4 stuff goes above 45, looks like 50 is the limit. So the 45 in the manual actually means something else, way cool, it's not wrong, just cryptic.
Charlie
"and worse" meant factually incorrect, i knew somebody would take it as meaning insults. It's a cryptic hint about the editing process, dude!
here's a little something the matrix guys may get. Commercial success, got the right button pushed now? The editing process enhances the product and increases (that means more money, for all you geniuses out there) commercial success. That's why it exists, DUDE!!
BTW, my question about sov moral. the manual says 45 NM (sov) for the early game, in my game all that t3/4 stuff goes above 45, looks like 50 is the limit. So the 45 in the manual actually means something else, way cool, it's not wrong, just cryptic.
Charlie
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National Morale is the value that units tend to increase to - if left well to the rear (>10 hexes) over time. So its best seen as an average and as a cap if no other factors apply.
Units gain/lose unit morale according to wins, being out of supply, weather (Germans in first winter).
In my current campaign game with SigUp I agreed to use a 95% morale effect (to balance setting lower logistics than 100%). The bulk of my rifle divisions are around 41-43, a few are >50 and some are <40. The high value ones are the 6-7 elite Siberian divisions (which historically were the best in the Red Army) and a few that start as part of 5 Army (if I recall).
So if you've taken some care over rotation of your most damaged units and you are playing with 100% morale, I'd expect the bulk of your rifle divisions to be in the range 43-45 by late 1941. A few that had a really bad time, but escaped being pocketed will be below that, a few, mostly related to their starting morale, above that.
I do hope this is edited to your exacting standards. ....
Units gain/lose unit morale according to wins, being out of supply, weather (Germans in first winter).
In my current campaign game with SigUp I agreed to use a 95% morale effect (to balance setting lower logistics than 100%). The bulk of my rifle divisions are around 41-43, a few are >50 and some are <40. The high value ones are the 6-7 elite Siberian divisions (which historically were the best in the Red Army) and a few that start as part of 5 Army (if I recall).
So if you've taken some care over rotation of your most damaged units and you are playing with 100% morale, I'd expect the bulk of your rifle divisions to be in the range 43-45 by late 1941. A few that had a really bad time, but escaped being pocketed will be below that, a few, mostly related to their starting morale, above that.
I do hope this is edited to your exacting standards. ....
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charlie0311
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loki
thx for the response. the standards i am advocating are those of the publishing industry. Such standards would apply to the sticky posts and manual. Buyer beware for the regular forum posts.
IMHO you have made a satisfactory attempt at clarity in your above post. I have no desire to be the judge! My complaints about clarity also apply to myself, ie poor phrasing of questions.
My ranting about editing was precipitated by my screwing up the kv evacs from leningrad, My opponent has graciously agreed to a late july restart.
That stuff about sov NM of 45 in 41 can't be right, i have hoards of diggers in and around moscow above 45 morale.
charlie
thx for the response. the standards i am advocating are those of the publishing industry. Such standards would apply to the sticky posts and manual. Buyer beware for the regular forum posts.
IMHO you have made a satisfactory attempt at clarity in your above post. I have no desire to be the judge! My complaints about clarity also apply to myself, ie poor phrasing of questions.
My ranting about editing was precipitated by my screwing up the kv evacs from leningrad, My opponent has graciously agreed to a late july restart.
That stuff about sov NM of 45 in 41 can't be right, i have hoards of diggers in and around moscow above 45 morale.
charlie
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ORIGINAL: charlie0311
hi all.
If the following doesn't get me kicked off these forums, then the next will, or the next...
Writers always understands what they are saying, even before the first keystroke. Good writers understand that what they write must be seen through the reader's eyes. This is usually the job of the editor, to keep the writer focused on the reader. Specifically, now pay attention! Writer writes something, editor says, well the reader will read this and then think this or that taking the literal meaning of the words and showing how the reader might interpret them. Clarity means there is only one interpretation possible.
Maybe some of you have noticed, when reading introductory remarks in published books, that the writer always copiously thanks the editor. Ever wonder why? No, you did not; that's because you have no clue as to the editing process. I myself have barely a clue.
What wite needs is a dedicated sub-forum, called "living manual" to borrow morvael'(SP) term. Remarks on this forum would have to flow though an editor. Ain't gonna happen though unless more than a few of you guys wake up and realize editing is more than spell check!!!
The regular war room stays as is, full of blather, and worse.
charlie
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fightin' for?
What are we fightin' for?
RE: writing 101
ORIGINAL: charlie0311
loki
thx for the response. the standards i am advocating are those of the publishing industry. Such standards would apply to the sticky posts and manual. Buyer beware for the regular forum posts.
IMHO you have made a satisfactory attempt at clarity in your above post. I have no desire to be the judge! My complaints about clarity also apply to myself, ie poor phrasing of questions.
My ranting about editing was precipitated by my screwing up the kv evacs from leningrad, My opponent has graciously agreed to a late july restart.
That stuff about sov NM of 45 in 41 can't be right, i have hoards of diggers in and around moscow above 45 morale.
charlie
are they brigades? If so they have a +5 on NM, so will tend to around 50
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complaints about clarity also apply to myself... sure do, Charlie.
have no desire to be the judge... says who?
ranting about editing... got you what, exactly?
Clarity means there is only one interpretation possible... really?
standards would apply to the sticky posts and manual... given a choice of hiring an editor or a gifted program developer, I would... ?
Writers always understands what they are saying... edit: writers always understand what they are saying.
have no desire to be the judge... says who?
ranting about editing... got you what, exactly?
Clarity means there is only one interpretation possible... really?
standards would apply to the sticky posts and manual... given a choice of hiring an editor or a gifted program developer, I would... ?
Writers always understands what they are saying... edit: writers always understand what they are saying.
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charlie0311
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loki,
v.11, sov t7, the above 45 morale units are rifle divisions. 1st PM Moscow Div is 49. There are many more (over 45) all over the map. They seems to mostly be the reinforcements from t3,4. They are all in good supply (I think) and assigned to Stravka or to an army under Stravka. Similar cav divs have similar morale.
+5 for brigades, is that any brigade?
RR and Jeff, I'll respond to you guys if you wish, via private email. abagstad@yahoo.com.
v.11, sov t7, the above 45 morale units are rifle divisions. 1st PM Moscow Div is 49. There are many more (over 45) all over the map. They seems to mostly be the reinforcements from t3,4. They are all in good supply (I think) and assigned to Stravka or to an army under Stravka. Similar cav divs have similar morale.
+5 for brigades, is that any brigade?
RR and Jeff, I'll respond to you guys if you wish, via private email. abagstad@yahoo.com.
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+5 is for any brigade.
remember that the Red Army was not uniform in terms of experience. Some divisions, especially the deep reserves and the Siberian units, were better trained and more experienced than the average. So you do get a small number of above NM formations.
if you can save these, and use them as the cornerstone of your offensive. An army based around your few high morale divisions (and for the Soviets high morale is >50) can yield an attack CV for a stack of around 7-8 (compared to the usual 4-5). Well backed by artillery, that can crack open the toughest German defense in December-January and in turn will give you a very good early rifle corps once you can convert.
Think of NM this way. It sets the limit to which a unit will rise if nothing goes wrong and it is far enough away from combat. So a rifle division that arrives with morale in the 30s will increase to 45 if its 10 hexes away from the front and in refit mode.
It can then rise above that value if it wins battles. It can drop morale if it losses battles.
If you are over NM, then the only reason for morale to change is combat (or supply state), if you are under NM, it will vary due to combat or to reach the NM level if its in reserve.
So it should give you an average value, you'll have units over and under at any time.
remember that the Red Army was not uniform in terms of experience. Some divisions, especially the deep reserves and the Siberian units, were better trained and more experienced than the average. So you do get a small number of above NM formations.
if you can save these, and use them as the cornerstone of your offensive. An army based around your few high morale divisions (and for the Soviets high morale is >50) can yield an attack CV for a stack of around 7-8 (compared to the usual 4-5). Well backed by artillery, that can crack open the toughest German defense in December-January and in turn will give you a very good early rifle corps once you can convert.
Think of NM this way. It sets the limit to which a unit will rise if nothing goes wrong and it is far enough away from combat. So a rifle division that arrives with morale in the 30s will increase to 45 if its 10 hexes away from the front and in refit mode.
It can then rise above that value if it wins battles. It can drop morale if it losses battles.
If you are over NM, then the only reason for morale to change is combat (or supply state), if you are under NM, it will vary due to combat or to reach the NM level if its in reserve.
So it should give you an average value, you'll have units over and under at any time.
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Gabriel B.
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ORIGINAL: charlie0311
loki,
v.11, sov t7, the above 45 morale units are rifle divisions. 1st PM Moscow Div is 49. There are many more (over 45) all over the map. They seems to mostly be the reinforcements from t3,4. They are all in good supply (I think) and assigned to Stravka or to an army under Stravka. Similar cav divs have similar morale.
+5 for brigades, is that any brigade?
RR and Jeff, I'll respond to you guys if you wish, via private email. abagstad@yahoo.com.
pATCH 1.07.11 was suposed to fix this kind of stuff from happening.
IS your opponent running the same version.?
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NM decreases slowly every month until it hits 45.
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charlie0311
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thx loki,
most satisfactory. esp para 2 but others as well.
my exp as sov has only gone to aug 41. I note, that many brigades (rifle and tank) are coming as reinforcements later in 41. I didn't have much of a plan as to what to do with them. Now it seems that they should be used in the sov winter offensive (when at or near 50 morale and exp and have somewhat close to full TOE). Then later when they can be combined into divs, you should be able to have many more divs of morale say mid 50's. Then corps from these same divs. There seems to be some consideration of upgraded TOE being important, as in wait for the TOE upgrade before forming corps units. I'm unclear on this presently but maybe can figure it out for myself.
IMHO, your remarks re sov morale should be stickied.
thx again,
charlie
most satisfactory. esp para 2 but others as well.
my exp as sov has only gone to aug 41. I note, that many brigades (rifle and tank) are coming as reinforcements later in 41. I didn't have much of a plan as to what to do with them. Now it seems that they should be used in the sov winter offensive (when at or near 50 morale and exp and have somewhat close to full TOE). Then later when they can be combined into divs, you should be able to have many more divs of morale say mid 50's. Then corps from these same divs. There seems to be some consideration of upgraded TOE being important, as in wait for the TOE upgrade before forming corps units. I'm unclear on this presently but maybe can figure it out for myself.
IMHO, your remarks re sov morale should be stickied.
thx again,
charlie