New Scenario: Red Flag 2017

[ExNusquam]

I'll try and give it another go with the updated version.

As for the overlays, I found the FLOT one quite useful, and the ones over the targets are good as well. The Las Vegas and Nellis ones I don't use.

[Galahad78]

The Overlay attachement is no longer available? Wanna try scenario with all the bells & whistles [:D] If it's bigger and harder than Frisian Flag then is going to be really challenging.

[Tomcat84]

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[ExNusquam]

Finally completed the new version, I think it plays well. There are some rather annoying "gamey" aspects of the scenario, however:
1) That F*$%ing Roland. It doesn't move, but when it's not on I can't put weapons on it. It evaded something like 3 HARMS/AARGMs on it's own. Didn't manage to kill it the entire game.
2) The second wave CAP/Scrambles felt really spammy. When they first took off, they caught me completely by surprise and nailed several of my SEAD/CAP aircraft. (Up until that point, I'd lost a single F-22) However, as the wave went on, it just became, well, a line of aircraft into AMRAAMS. Not sure if you can increase the numbers so that they're at least flying in pairs or find a way to make it so the air force doesn't take off to certain destruction.

Full AAR:
Heavy fighter sweep at start. Used 8xF-22, 4xF/A-18Fs, 4x Typhoons. Supported by a pair of Global Hawks on ELINT, an EC-130H and a pair of EA-18Gs. Managed to wipe out the entire starting CAP with a loss of only 1 Raptor. At this point, I got caught with my pants down since I didn't have any of my follow on SEAD/Strike Aircraft staged. After what felt like an eternity waiting for everything to get staged, I ended up pushing the SEAD aircraft in behind a wall of MALDs, killing any radars that happened to be on. Used the F-35's with SDB and the JASSM/Storm Shadow aircraft to start killing the air defenses, radars and some critical bunkers. At this point, the second CAP wave started causing me some serious losses, including a B-52 (no clue how that happened, had way to many aircraft flying around). Used 6 of the F-15C's as escort of the SEAD aircraft, and managed to hold off most of the extra fighters. Managed to sneak the B-2's in to kill their targets. Finally, pushed in with the bombers and blew up a fair number of the ground targets- took some more losses to short range SAMS and CAP taking off from the close in air field.

Wrapped it up by grabbing the pilot out - with some stupid losses there, but overall, nothing terrible.

Butchers Bill:

Final Score of 897

SIDE: Blue
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LOSSES:
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2x F-22A Raptor
1x B-52H Stratofortress <--Oops.
2x MQ-9B Reaper UAV
2x RQ-170A Wraith [Sentinel] UAV
1x F-16C Blk 50 Falcon
2x F/A-18F Super Hornet
3x F-15E Strike Eagle
1x F-15C Eagle
1x Typhoon FGR.4
1x HC-130J Combat King II <--More Oops.


EXPENDITURES:
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198x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
42x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
2x AN/ALE-50
32x Meteor
23x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
6x AIM-132A ASRAAM
32x GBU-53/B SDB-II
16x ADM-160C MALD-J [Stand-In OECM]
28x ADM-160B MALD [Active RF]
16x GBU-31(V)1/B JDAM [Mk84]
7x AGM-88C HARM
23x AGM-158A JASSM [Penetrator]
8x Storm Shadow
12x AGM-88E AARGM
4x GBU-57A/B MOP
20x GBU-54(V)1/B LJDAM [Mk82]
1x Ariel Mk1 TRD
8x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM P3I.3
16x GBU-31(V)3/B JDAM [BLU-109/B]
4x GBU-32(V)2/B JDAM [Mk83]
8x Paveway IV [Mk82]
11x 30mm GAU-8A/B Burst [195 rnds]
6x AGM-65K Maverick IR



SIDE: Red
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LOSSES:
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18x Su-30MKM Flanker G
34x Su-27S Flanker B
16x MiG-29M2 Fulcrum C
8x MiG-25P Foxbat A
31x MiG-29 Fulcrum A
7x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka
10x Roland 3
8x R.440 Crotale NG
2x Radar (Big Bird C [64N6])
1x Radar (Tin Shield B [5N59S/36D6])
4x SA-11 Gadfly [9A38] TELAR
2x SA-11 Gadfly [9A39] LLV
3x Building (Palace)
1x Radar (Spoon Rest C [P-12])
2x Vehicle (Clam Shell [5N66])
3x SA-16 Gimlet [9K310 Igla-1] MANPADS
1x SA-20a Gargoyle [5P85SE] TEL
1x Vehicle (Tombstone [30N6])
4x SA-10b Grumble [5P85S] TEL
2x Vehicle (Flap Lid B [5N63S])
1x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-48 CWAR)
2x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-46 HPI)
1x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-50 PAR)
1x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-51 ROR)
1x Radar (Big Bird C [64N6])
1x Radar (Big Back [5N69])
3x Building (Uplink Relay Station)
2x Building (Communication Hub)
1x Building (Radio/TV Station)
2x Radar (Tall King A [P-14])
3x Building (Large)
1x Bunker (Medium C3M)
1x Building (Electric Sub Station)
1x Building (Very Large)
3x Ammo Bunker (Mountain)
1x Il-62 Classic
1x Structure (Generator)
1x Building (Turbine)
1x Building (Transformer)
1x Structure (Mast)
4x Building (Watch Tower)
4x Ammo Revetment
5x Building (Barracks)
2x SA-15d Gauntlet [9A331MK/9A332] TELAR
2x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS
1x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125])
1x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19])
1x Building (Railway Station)
1x SA-17 Grizzly [9A310M1-2] TELAR
1x Vehicle (Fan Song F [RSNA-75M])
1x Vehicle (Spoon Rest C [P-12])
3x A/C Revetment (1x Medium Aircraft)
2x SA-15a Gauntlet [9A330] TELAR
1x Radar (Flat Face B [P-19])
1x Vehicle (Mobile Jammer)
2x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9A33BM3] TELAR
3x T-72 Main Battle Tank
8x 7.62mm MG
3x BMP-3 [AT-10 Stabber] IFV


EXPENDITURES:
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91x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
99x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
93x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
11x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
28x SA-20a Gargoyle [48N6E] <-- Didn't Hit anything
4x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
12x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
6x SA-10b Grumble [5V55RUD]
16x SA-11 Gadfly [9M38M1]
71x 30mm 2A38M Burst [50 rnds]
13x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka Burst [50 rnds]
52x 30mm 2S6 Burst [50 rnds]
8x SA-10b Grumble [5V55R]
8x SA-3c Goa [5V27DE]
10x SA-17 Grizzly [9M317]
14x SA-15b Gauntlet [9M331]
4x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27RE, LR SARH]
2x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
1x SA-19a Grisom [9M311]
3x SA-22 Greyhound [57E6]
2x Roland 3
3x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9M33M3]



SIDE: Neutral
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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[Galahad78]

Love the detailed briefing [&o]

What does the AI stand for? Venom – Typhoons x 4 – AI

Hope I can give it a try during this week.

[Tomcat84]

AI stands for Air Interdiction. Basically "strike"

Thanks for your notes ExNusquam! I really appreciate it!

I will take a look at your two points and ponder what I can do to improve [:)] Thanks! I hope you did enjoy it though?

[ExNusquam]

I really enjoyed it! It's a great and challenging mission, I'd say I like it almost as much as Frisian Flag. Even my frustration with the Roland made it play better for me.

[scottb613]

Wow - I can tell by your care and attention to detail in the initial post - setting the stage - that this one looks well worth playing - I'll give it a shot - thanks for your time and effort...

Regards,
Scott

[Galahad78]

Just a quick question re. No-Fly-Zones:

Shortly after taking off from Nellis, my OCA assets start lofting Meteors and AMRAAMs over the NFZ surrounding Yucca against the OpFor fighters. Is that OK ROE-wise as long as no aircraft enters the NFZ?

(It's not OK eficiency-wise, that's for sure [:-][:D])

[Swarthy]

probably the next scenario I ll try. good work.

[Tomcat84]

Hey Galahad, that's not really supposed to be going on. Since I never let the AI shoot it never occurred to me this might happen. Maybe I will make a note in the briefing?

[Tomcat84]

Feb 27 2015 latest update in my feb 27 reply below





Update for 1.06


Changes:
- incorporates some Lua
- tweaked SAM behavior when EW radars get taken out
- tweaked some radar blinking behavior (now they dont teleport but actually switch off and on the radar, so it can still be destroyed)
- tweaked behavior of enemy follow on scrambling fighters
- updated to DB 420
- input some values for scoring (no more easy Triumphs [:)] )
- added a note in the briefing that you're not supposed to loft missiles through the blocked airspace on the south side
- added some altitude overrides and number on station tweaks.

Enjoy!

[Galahad78]

ORIGINAL: Tomcat84

Update for 1.06


Changes:
- incorporates some Lua
- tweaked SAM behavior when EW radars get taken out
- tweaked some radar blinking behavior (now they dont teleport but actually switch off and on the radar, so it can still be destroyed)
- tweaked behavior of enemy follow on scrambling fighters
- updated to DB 420
- input some values for scoring (no more easy Triumphs [:)] )
- added a note in the briefing that you're not supposed to loft missiles through the blocked airspace on the south side
- added some altitude overrides and number on station tweaks.

Enjoy!

Just loaded the other day to give it my first serious try and I was wondering about all the new & nice features of 1.06 and how they would interfere with the "no landing, refueling and taking off again" rule of this scenario. I see you took care of this for me [:D][&o]

Let's see if I can win this scenario [:'(]

[Tomcat84]

Good luck let me know how it goes!

[Galahad78]

ORIGINAL: Tomcat84

Good luck let me know how it goes!

So far, so good [:)] I'll finish first the "old" version as I already had a game running (my Typhoons achieved 12:1 on the first air-to-air engagement [:D] didn't want to lose this edge [:D]) and try the updated scenario later. Is it my subjective impression or AMRAAM PK has been vastly improved?

With the air picture more or less clear now, I need some piece of advice re. planning the "land campaign". I've planned the following:

· Take out the SA-20 Gargoyle with Storm Shadows preceded by TIALD decoys. Alternatively, I could lure the SAM into firing at long distance to deplete its stocks, but I find this tactic a bit "gamey" if used abusively.

· Attack North and South mobile defenses to create "safe corridors" (safe, well...you know [:D]) for,

· the Strikers (B-2, F-15E, etc.)

However (after messing up a bit with Mission Editor and fu***** up take off times [:@]), I found out that the SA-20 (and even the SA-10) are capable of shooting down Paveway bombs, so the Storm Shadows will be a joke for them. Without taking down the SA-20 first, I need to close to knife range at very low altitude, which is going to be extremely difficult given the tons of AAA and SHORADs in the area [:-]

Of course, I could try and test what happens, but somehow I've become attached to my little simulated pilots [:D]

Any ideas? [&:]

[Tomcat84]

AMRAAM pk varies with proficiency setting of the unit (it will actually be more improved in 1.07 ) so that might give you that impression.

I'm assuming you mean MALD decoys, TIALD is the old Tornado targeting pod used in Desert Storm etc before being replaced by Litening.

The long distance depleting hopefully should be negated by prosecution area usage? If it does work (against any SAM) please let me know against which SAM type

Yeah the modern SAMs can take out LGBs etc, but Storm Shadow should be harder to pick up for them than Paveways, so all is not lost. Also dont forget that you have JASSMs available.

I personally dont put much faith in low level ingress but you're welcome to try. Don't forget about the Growlers and the Compass Call you have available to provide OECM though, they can be very powerful.

Looking forward to your report

[Galahad78]

Just finished the scenario with an Average score of 549. Too many losses, I guess. Some could have been avoided, others couldn't. Not happy with the outcome, I'll replay it in the future.

All in all, a very fun and challenging scenario. Not for begginers, though. Neither for micromanaging-haters [:D][:D][:D] Sometimes you have to be at two or three or four places at the same time, directing land strikes, intercepts, checking that your sim-pilots do not take the wrong turn when RTBing...[:D] You have to be very careful as well when choosing land targets, as your strike assets are finite and the air defenses formidable.

Some comments:

· the "bad guys" where able to fire their AA-12s from their safe heaven over No-Fly-Areas, whereas my own assets could not fire against planes inside those No-Fly-Areas. Was this intended? Sometimes it felt as fighting with one hand tied to your back [:D]

· making your planes take off in the intended order is a PITA [:-] micromanaging big time [:D]

· Best way to deal with a SA-20 Gargoyle type of AD, which can even shotdown JASSM, HARMs, JDAMs...? what a beast!

· Viper 99's rescue was a very nice sub-scenario!

Great scenario, loved specially the detailed briefing!

One last question: is the real Red Flag something like this?? You earn your pay, guys! [&o]

Edit: forgot to paste the debrief

SIDE: Blue
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LOSSES:
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2x F/A-18F Super Hornet
6x F-15C Eagle
7x F-15E Strike Eagle
3x F-16C Blk 40 Falcon
1x F-16C Blk 50 Falcon
2x F-22A Raptor
1x MQ-9B Reaper UAV
1x RQ-170A Wraith [Sentinel] UAV
1x RQ-4B Global Hawk Blk 40 UAV
7x Typhoon FGR.4


EXPENDITURES:
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7x 30mm GAU-8A/B Burst [195 rnds]
28x ADM-160B MALD [Active RF]
16x ADM-160C MALD-J [Stand-In OECM]
28x AGM-158A JASSM [Penetrator]
6x AGM-65K Maverick IR
8x AGM-88C HARM
10x AGM-88E AARGM
97x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
1x AIM-132A ASRAAM
9x AIM-9X Sidewinder
3x AN/ALE-50
1x Ariel Mk1 TRD
16x GBU-31(V)1/B JDAM [Mk84]
12x GBU-31(V)3/B JDAM [BLU-109/B]
4x GBU-32(V)2/B JDAM [Mk83]
32x GBU-53/B SDB-II
15x GBU-54(V)1/B LJDAM [Mk82]
4x GBU-57A/B MOP
30x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
33x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
11x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
16x Meteor
8x Paveway IV [Mk82]
8x Storm Shadow



SIDE: Red
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LOSSES:
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1x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka
8x 7.62mm MG
1x A/C Revetment (1x Medium Aircraft)
3x Ammo Bunker (Mountain)
1x Ammo Revetment
3x BMP-3 [AT-10 Stabber] IFV
1x Building (Communication Hub)
3x Building (Large)
2x Building (Palace)
1x Building (Uplink Relay Station)
1x Building (Very Large)
1x Bunker (Medium C3M)
1x Il-62 Classic
10x MiG-25P Foxbat A
25x MiG-29 Fulcrum A
13x MiG-29M2 Fulcrum C
1x Radar (Big Back [5N69])
2x Radar (Big Bird C [64N6])
1x Radar (Big Bird C [64N6])
1x Radar (Flat Face B [P-19])
1x Radar (Spoon Rest C [P-12])
2x Radar (Tall King A [P-14])
2x Radar (Tin Shield B [5N59S/36D6])
6x Roland 3
1x Runway Access Point (Large Aircraft)
6x SA-10b Grumble [5P85S] TEL
6x SA-10b Grumble [5P85S] TEL
6x SA-11 Gadfly [9A38] TELAR
3x SA-11 Gadfly [9A39] LLV
8x SA-15d Gauntlet [9A331MK/9A332] TELAR
3x SA-16 Gimlet [9K310 Igla-1] MANPADS
4x SA-17 Grizzly [9A310M1-2] TELAR
2x SA-17 Grizzly [9A39M1-2] LLV
2x SA-19 Grisom [2S6] TELAR
6x SA-20a Gargoyle [5P85SE] TEL
6x SA-22 Greyhound [KAMAZ-6560 8x8] TELAR
2x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9A33BM3] TELAR
20x Su-27S Flanker B
13x Su-30MKM Flanker G
3x T-72 Main Battle Tank
1x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-48 CWAR)
1x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-50 PAR)
3x Vehicle (Clam Shell [5N66])
2x Vehicle (Flap Lid B [5N63S])
2x Vehicle (Mobile Jammer)
1x Vehicle (Tombstone [30N6])


EXPENDITURES:
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21x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka Burst [50 rnds]
108x 30mm 2A38M Burst [50 rnds]
72x 30mm 2S6 Burst [50 rnds]
10x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
67x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
23x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27RE, LR SARH]
29x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
2x AA-11 Archer [R-73M1]
105x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
4x AA-6 Acrid A [R-40R, SARH]
47x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
42x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
1x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
27x MIM-23B I-HAWK
2x R.440 Crotale-NG VT1
8x Roland 3
29x SA-10b Grumble [5V55R]
13x SA-10b Grumble [5V55RUD]
36x SA-11 Gadfly [9M38M1]
12x SA-15a Gauntlet [9M330]
17x SA-15b Gauntlet [9M331]
31x SA-17 Grizzly [9M317]
1x SA-19a Grisom [9M311]
4x SA-20a Gargoyle [48N6E]
4x SA-22 Greyhound [57E6]
8x SA-2f Guideline Mod 1 [S-75M2 Volkhov, 5YA23 / V-759]
36x SA-3c Goa [5V27DE]
8x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9M33M3]



SIDE: Neutral
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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[Tomcat84]

You can now find the latest version here. (43 megabyte download)

I am also submitting it for the Scenpack.

Whats changed? Not a whole lot but:
- Overlays are now loaded automatically via new 1.07 functionality and are mostly JPG instead of PNG to reduce filesize
- Running latest Database
- Some minor WRA settings for the AI

How to install:
- Download the linked .zip file
- Extract the included .scen and the attachments folder to a scenario folder of your choosing in the Command scenarios directory.
- Play the scen, overlays should load automatically (it can take a little while and sometimes maybe you should move the map around a bit to get them to kick in)

- If you need help, let me know!

Feel free to give it a go. Hopefully theres no gamebreaking issues so I am going to submit it to the pack right away as an update, but if you do see a problem please post!
I am no longer offering an overlayless scen since the download size should not be a big deal these days and install shouldnt be a problem either.

[Mini_Von]

Hi Tomcat84

I tried running your scenario and I cant get the overlays to automatically display. I'm sure that I'm probably doing something wrong. Any help would be appreciated.

I installed your files to the following directory: (See Picture)


I start the scenario and the "Event Overlayload has been fired" is displayed but I get no overlays.

I ran your Action Lua commands in the script console (with no errors) but I still dont get overlays.
ScenEdit_UseAttachment('59a702ff-99c8-4503-9265-a05b36f9a58a')
ScenEdit_UseAttachment('9a8d9012-a124-4556-901e-dd1795db8883')
ScenEdit_UseAttachment('ce89156f-46ec-40cb-b36d-7a67f405d55c')
ScenEdit_UseAttachment('3c285092-e733-4f17-8899-43413ab2957d')
ScenEdit_UseAttachment('75520159-4804-49a1-9913-73707e17f26d')
ScenEdit_UseAttachment('c5141e47-c541-464a-9983-e1809d4f278f')

I am able to manually install overlays by using the old method.

Any Ideas? Thanks

[CassioM]

The best scenario ever! [&o]

With the overlays it is very sexy.