Mayhemizer vs AllenK: The rematch

[Mayhemizer_slith]

Germany attacks with minor risk leaving 2 Stukas for next impulse.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

Japan occupied city and US reacted on roll 2.

I covered screen with paper and picked that chit without seeing anything. Who needs hot seat?

I'll take that. Worth the 2 BP but lucky to get it.

[Mayhemizer_slith]

Rotterdam is automatic victory after Germany uses 1 point of shore bombardment.

OVERRUN
CP = roll 3, destroyed.
CL Tromp = roll 7, escaped.
CA De Ruyter = roll 4, destroyed.
CA Sumatra = roll 4, destroyed.
CA Java = roll 9, escaped.

That went more than well. Where does those 2 ships want to rebase?

[AllenK]

Liverpool or Plymouth thanks

[Mayhemizer_slith]

Germany intercepted both ships, but were not able to find them.

When I intercepted the first one, program overrun that ship again (roll 2, desgtroyed). Reload with set die rolls helped as I was able to set overrun roll to 10. Will post tomorrow as a bug if not know before.

[Mayhemizer_slith]

Germany rebases fighter to Netherlands.

[composer99]

The division invasion of Rotterdam is one of my favourite moves when invading the Netherlands with Germany.

Last time I pulled it off in a tabletop game, we were using offensive points, which was fantastic because it meant I could still play a land impulse.

[AlbertN]

Offensive Points are indeed pretty nice and it's a shame they're not inserted in M-WiF.

Though the Netherland by placing the INF in Amsterdam can actually add 1 point to the notional as ZOC.
Probably still better than leave Rotterdam free for the UK to land into.

[AllenK]

S/O 1939 Allies 5

No DoW

CW Naval, France & China Land, US & USSR Combined.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: composer99

The division invasion of Rotterdam is one of my favourite moves when invading the Netherlands with Germany.

Last time I pulled it off in a tabletop game, we were using offensive points, which was fantastic because it meant I could still play a land impulse.

It occurs to me one's opponent might just have a modicum more experience at this than oneself.

[AlbertN]

Well sometimes the UK (well more often than not) tries to ship troops on the coast in Holland instead than going in Denmark.
In Denmark the troops are far more endangered without maneuvering space, meanwhile in Holland the Brits help protect the flank of the Belgium and it's hard to dislodge them in bad weather.

Like now they can bring 2-3 units and planes in Amsterdam, gain a factory (having a City + Factory for a -2 to attacks) and making it hell for the Germans to take, with 2 + 1 river hexides to attack from.

[Jagdtiger14]

Taking Rotterdam this way is as old as dinosaur feces. Its standard play in our group. The best defense against it is a strong CW presence in the North Sea 4 box to sink that little turd. Another one is to deny the notional, leaving the INF div there by itself with the CW prepared to invade.

[Mayhemizer_slith]

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

Taking Rotterdam this way is as old as dinosaur feces. Its standard play in our group. The best defense against it is a strong CW presence in the North Sea 4 box to sink that little turd. Another one is to deny the notional, leaving the INF div there by itself with the CW prepared to invade.

What happens if CW does not choose notional unit? Can Germany join the attack with another unit from adjacent hex?

[AlbertN]

Another one is to deny the notional, leaving the INF div there by itself with the CW prepared to invade.

If you play with the AMPHs, CW can only invade with divisions. So not doable with that optional, that I suspect is very diffused.

[composer99]

Mayhemizer: If the CW does not include the notional in Rotterdam, there is no combat, and the German division simply takes control of the hex. Because there is no combat, there is no opportunity for other land units from adjacent hexes to advance after combat into Rotterdam, leaving the division all by itself.

[Mayhemizer_slith]

ORIGINAL: composer99

Mayhemizer: If the CW does not include the notional in Rotterdam, there is no combat, and the German division simply takes control of the hex. Because there is no combat, there is no opportunity for other land units from adjacent hexes to advance after combat into Rotterdam, leaving the division all by itself.

Thanks, good to know

[AlbertN]

Things would change a lot anyhow the moment the optional No Zoc on Surprise is implemented (and probably widely used as it right to have).

[Jagdtiger14]

No ZOC on surprise is something our group NEVER plays with, its way too powerful. I've been to three WiF cons and none of those games were played with that option.

[Jagdtiger14]

I hav'nt played a game of WiF since mid 2011...and I do not have access to the rules. Correct me and forgive me if I am wrong, but: I thought any (face up) Arm/Mech involved in a successful blitz combat is allowed to over-stack into the attacked hex, then after all attacks are resolved everywhere, the next step is to resolve the over-stack (if any) and conduct blitz movement. The ARM/Mech unit(s) are allowed to move (restricted by ZOC, weather and terrain). So, assuming fair weather and a clear terrain hex, and no ZOC's to be concerned about, how many hexes can a 6 mover ARM/Mech move in this step?

I appreciate anyone reminding me about this rule...

[AlbertN]

The ARM/Mech unit(s) are allowed to move (restricted by ZOC, weather and terrain). So, assuming fair weather and a clear terrain hex, and no ZOC's to be concerned about, how many hexes can a 6 mover ARM/Mech move in this step?

For what I have read and know they do only 1 added hex if there is a B result in the combat table and the terran was clear. So not a big problem in most cases. Especially as it overextends the line and is a thing pretty prone to counterattack resulting in a loss of a precious unit.
Works only against a weak enemy or with many units disrupted.