Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[blh42]

Some additional info from another source:
Length: 17 m
Span: 9,6 m
Wing area: 54 square meters
Empty weight: 9000 kg
Max load: 1500 kg
Fuel: 4000 kg
Max take off weight: 15000 kg
Engine: Bristol Olympus
Thrust/weight ratio (take off): 0,73
Max speed: Mach 2,14 above 11 km; mach 1,2 at low altitude
Radius of action: 410 km
Ceiling: 18 km
Take off run: 490 m

ORIGINAL: .Sirius

Not much to go on but I'll have a go with a CWDB version

ORIGINAL: blh42

Hypothetical swedish supersonic nuclear bomber Saab 36. Project was cancelled but would be fun to try out in a hypothetical scenario.

References https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_36
The nuclear program that also was cancelled had a bomb design for a 40kt device
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish ... ns_program

Blh

[skjold89]

+1 for the SAAB 36 as a hypothethical in CWDB. blh42 for future reference anything regarding CWDB should be in this thread tm.asp?m=3436158

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Triode

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Does anybody have any information on a Russian aircraft active towed decoy system? The export version is named President-S but not sure what the native name is. I know it was tested in 2007 on a Mig-31 but don't know if it ever went operational. Could one of our good Russian friends look into this abit (Triode)?

Thanks!

Mike

"Part" of President-S is ABRL

ABRL

Active towed radar trap (ABRL)


Active towed radar trap ABRL is designed to provide personal protection of aircraft in the front and / or rear hemispheres against guided missiles with radar homing by retargeting missiles at attacking towed trap.
Basic tactical and technical characteristics
Frequency range - centimetric
Gain, dB - 60-70
Energy potential, W - 3-12
Protection Sector in the front (PPP)
and rear (LPP) hemispheres, deg .:

azimuth from +60 to -60
elevation from 22.5 to -22.5
Time of work, minutes 5-10
Time of work at each start,sec 7-10
Weight, kg 5
The length of the tow cable, m 150
power from an aircraft
http://niiekran.ru/prod_abrl.php in russian

In pre serial production from end of 2015, RSC "MiG" want it for MiG-35

Do you have pictures of this Mig-31 with towed decoy system?

there is also "Blesna" and "Blesk" older towed decoy systems not connected to President-S

Thanks Triode!

I don't have a picture of what was on the Mig-31 but will post if I find it.

Mike

[Pancor]

[UPDATED DB v443]

Hello Everyone

it look like the #1934 - Hsiung Feng II missile has a IR seeker

just like this picture notice the bulge in the front that house the IR Seeker



But in the game it just have only radar could you add the IR Seeker

Thanks

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsiung_Feng_II

[ComDev]

Added DB v443, thanks!

ORIGINAL: jun5896

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Provider_(AOR_508)



HMCS Provider at Pearl Harbor for RIMPAC 86

It was decommissioned in 1998, DB 3000 has only Protecteur-class Ships (AOR 509, AOR 510)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecteu ... ment_oiler

Provider is different from Protecteur.

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: VFA41_Lion

Umm... did the title of the thread change to "zhuk-me, updates or issues" ?

Lol... and what sales team figured it was a good idea to name their hottest (?) product Zhuk-ME?

Curious what they will name the next radar...

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: jun5896
http://www.deagel.com/Destroyers-and-Cr ... 17001.aspx
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... royer.html

It is some information for New Atago-sub-class "27DD" The two 27DD vessels are expected to be commissioned in 2020 and 2021.
Add expect specification of ships for DB3K(likes Chinese Type 55 Cruiser)

Not much to go on I'm afraid [8D]

[ComDev]

The W88 variant is already in the database. Added necessary weapon records so that you can add it to submarines in the scenario editor. Also added a full mount so that you can replace the W76 with W88 on mount-level. Up to you.

Thanks [8D]

ORIGINAL: mb

Hi Devs,

First, thank you not only for a REALLY great game, but also your great continued support of updating it and adding new features. It’s this updating and consistent new features that MAKE this game not only relevant but continuing to be so good and playable. I particularly love using and making the “cutting edge” or hypothetical units and scenarios.
The only correction, (which is minor so no rush), I can find is with the Trident missile. In the game, it carries the W76 warhead when it should carry the W88 warhead.

Again, great job Devs! Keep it up.

[ComDev]

Thanks Triode, have updated as per your specifications.

Also added the 6x R-77-1, 2x R-27T, 2x R-73 loadout [:D]

ORIGINAL: Triode

About Su-35S loadouts and R-77(RVV-AE) vs R-77-1(RVV-SD) in RuAF

in database there is "light" loadout with 2xRVV-AE and 2xR-73M
while in Hmeymim it it is 2xR-77-1(RVV-SD) 2xR-27TE and 2xR-73M for Su-35S :
http://i.imgur.com/bVGJGbO.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpVEWipSx5k

also if we look at Su-35S from 23 IAP regiment of RuAF we can see interesting configurations of pylons they use, even without missile it is still interesting
6x AKU-170 (for R-77 family missiles) 2x APU-470 (launcher with liquid nitrogen for R-27T/TE seeker) 2xAPU-73 with R-73(M or L)

So, maybe "Heavy" loadout for Su-35S should recive + 2 R-27TE ?

also about RVV-AE vs RVV-SD in RuAF planes loadouts
Russian MoD don buy R-77 or RVV-AE in 90s , in 2003 they starting R-77-1 programm and in 2015 there is first big contract for R-77-1 :
http://zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ ... 4515001647 in russian
there is no RVV-AE contract for RuAF and no RVV-AE in RuAF arsenals (except in Akhtubins for demonstration and testing for foreing customers)
So, RVV-AE on Russian planes especially after 2015 is , well unrealistic
maybee it is make sense to change all RVV-AE in Su-35S,Su-34,Su-30SM,SU-27SM,Mig-29SMT,Mig-29K/KUB,Mig31BM loadouts after 2015 to R-77-1(RVV-SD) ?

RVV-AE vs RVV-SD in RuAF planes loadouts
Russian MoD don buy R-77 or RVV-AE in 90s , in 2003 they starting R-77-1 programm and in 2015 there is first big contract for R-77-1 :
http://zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ ... 4515001647 in russian
there is no RVV-AE contract for RuAF and no RVV-AE in RuAF arsenals (except in Akhtubins for demonstration and testing for foreing customers)
So, RVV-AE on Russian planes especially after 2015 is , well unrealistic
maybee it is make

[DESRON420]

[MINOR IOC ADJUSTMENT DB v443 + FEEDBACK NEEDED]

I'd like to propose an alternate depiction of S-300PMU/S-400 systems that adds granularity and versatility for scenario designers.

I am not a Russian speaker or a professional analyst, and I would appreciate corrections to the below if I have included inaccuracies. I have relied on the monograph 'Russian Ballistic Missile Defense: Rhetoric and Reality' by Keir Giles at http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.ar ... UB1277.pdf , the SAM battery/battalion configuration descriptions at http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-SAM- ... igs-B.html and http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html , and the S-400 deployment and semi-official Russian state media sheets linked at http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/13/s- ... fographic/ .

This alternate depiction involves four changes from the existing setup.


#1. Add individual S-400 batteries, each comprising

4x 5P85/5P90 TEL
1x 92N6 GRAVE STONE FC radar
1x 96L6 search radar (optional)

and add an S-400 battalion headquarters unit comprising

1x 55K6 command post
1x 91N6 BIG BIRD search / battle management radar

This will decentralize S-400 systems, add flexibility to scenario designers, come closer to the apparent scale on which individual units are deployed, and make S-400 units harder to take out with single massive saturation attacks.


#2. Expand the range of missiles available to the 5P85/5P90 TELs to include

48N6E - 1 / tube slot
48N6E2 - 1 / tube slot
48N6E3 - 1 / tube slot
40N6E - 1 / tube slot?
9M96E - 4 / tube slot
9M96E2 - 4 / tube slot


#3. Tweak the SAM ranges somewhat:

48N6E3/DM: 130-140 nm range as opposed to current 80 nm range
9M96E2: Add with 9M96E stats and extended 50-65 nm range against aerodynamic targets


#4. Set the default 5P85/5P90 TEL loadout to 4x 48N6E2/3. The 40N6 is still in the realm of speculation and has never been photographed in the wild.

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Added DB v443, thanks!

Just curious...will DB v443 be part of the final v1.11 release or will we have to wait for V1.12? Thanks.

[Dysta]

[UPDATED DB v443]

Source:
http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2016- ... 6266.shtml (Simplified Chinese)
http://www.453000.cn/jsxw/zgjq/201603/155646.html (Simplified Chinese with Google-translated English)

I think I need Triode's help for a recent news from "PLA Daily", about 051C's S-300FM conducted the anti-ship test since 2015:

(Google translation with my proofreading)

(Quoted From PLA Daily)
? "... At a time, the Shenyang ship (051C)'s surface-to-air missile system has conducted an acceptance test. Shu Lin has led an intelligence team for research, and formulated 13 plans. In 2015, during a live-fire military drills, Shu Lin has realized the breakthrough of the missile when it hits the surface target for the first time."

(External Reference)
? Shenyang ship is the Type 051C missile destroyer ship -- first domestically designed destroyer built in China. The ship is equipped with imported Russian S-300FM ship-borne air defense missile system, it has equipped with six 8-units vertical launchers for 48 missiles in total. The 48N6 missile in the system is 7.5 meters long, 500mm diameter width, 1780kg of total weight, 150kg of warheads, using semi-active TVM (Track-via-Missile) guidance mode, and the maximum range is 150 kilometers. It is theoretically possible to perform anti-ship engagement because of the missile's heavy weight with a substantially large warhead.

...

I don't know what experiment that PLAN was made to add the target ability with Anti-Ship mode, imitated with USN's ESSM, but with nearly 4x of warhead weight and range, this system will be very daunting before SM-6's Anti-Ship upgrade come into the actual service. Yet, if what PLA Daily (Official press from state mouthpieces, not an external report or sort) said is true, then here are the suggestions:

- Make a new ship Type 051C in 2015 setting.
- Make a new weapon SA-N-20 Gargoyle [48N6M], Anti-Ship Mod for Type 051C (2015), with both anti-air and anti-surface targetings.
- Imitate ESSM's flight characteristic with SASS range penalty, lacks of sea-skimming and CEC properties.

[Hongjian]

[UPDATED DB v443]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Source:
http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2016- ... 6266.shtml (Simplified Chinese)
http://www.453000.cn/jsxw/zgjq/201603/155646.html (Simplified Chinese with Google-translated English)

I think I need Triode's help for a recent news from "PLA Daily", about 051C's S-300FM conducted the anti-ship test since 2015:

(Google translation with my proofreading)

(Quoted From PLA Daily)
? "... At a time, the Shenyang ship (051C)'s surface-to-air missile system has conducted an acceptance test. Shu Lin has led an intelligence team for research, and formulated 13 plans. In 2015, during a live-fire military drills, Shu Lin has realized the breakthrough of the missile when it hits the surface target for the first time."

(External Reference)
? Shenyang ship is the Type 051C missile destroyer ship -- first domestically designed destroyer built in China. The ship is equipped with imported Russian S-300FM ship-borne air defense missile system, it has equipped with six 8-units vertical launchers for 48 missiles in total. The 48N6 missile in the system is 7.5 meters long, 500mm diameter width, 1780kg of total weight, 150kg of warheads, using semi-active TVM (Track-via-Missile) guidance mode, and the maximum range is 150 kilometers. It is theoretically possible to perform anti-ship engagement because of the missile's heavy weight with a substantially large warhead.

...

I don't know what experiment that PLAN was made to add the target ability with Anti-Ship mode, imitated with USN's ESSM, but with nearly 4x of warhead weight and range, this system will be very daunting before SM-6's Anti-Ship upgrade come into the actual service. Yet, if what PLA Daily (Official press from state mouthpieces, not an external report or sort) said is true, then here are the suggestions:

- Make a new ship Type 051C in 2015 setting.
- Make a new weapon SA-N-20 Gargoyle [48N6M], Anti-Ship Mod for Type 051C (2015), with both anti-air and anti-surface targetings.
- Imitate ESSM's flight characteristic with SASS range penalty, lacks of sea-skimming and CEC properties.

There is actually very high confidence that the naval HHQ-9 series of SAM also are capable of anti-surface mode, like the S-300. For once because the HHQ-9 is actually an active radar guided missile (as oppossed to the land-based variant being TVM and as portrayed in DB3000), and the very large warhead of 180kg.

The PLAN is usually publishing tests like these that reveal certain "new" capabilities very late and usually with imported weapons first.

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Added DB v443, thanks!

Just curious...will DB v443 be part of the final v1.11 release or will we have to wait for V1.12? Thanks.

It will ship with the final version of 1.11 [8D]

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: emsoy


It will ship with the final version of 1.11 [8D]

Hooray!

[Triode]

[UPDATED DB v443]

ORIGINAL: Dysta



I think I need Triode's help for a recent news from "PLA Daily", about 051C's S-300FM conducted the anti-ship test since 2015

Actually it is nothing special, all russian naval SAM have anti-surface capability (even small, like SA-N-4), land based SAM also have this ability

[Hongjian]

[UPDATED DB v443]

ORIGINAL: Triode

ORIGINAL: Dysta



I think I need Triode's help for a recent news from "PLA Daily", about 051C's S-300FM conducted the anti-ship test since 2015

Actually it is nothing special, all russian naval SAM have anti-surface capability (even small, like SA-N-4), land based SAM also have this ability

But the question is whether the S-300FM/48N6 has the ability to engage surface targets beyond horizon as well?
IIRC, the DB3000 they are limited to 25 nmi in anti-surface mode, simulating the limitations of LOS-based fire control radars.

Wikipedia at least states that the S-300FM onboard the Kirov-class (and hence also the Type 051C, as they have the same SAM) is equipped with an infra-red sensor as well to make it capable of engaging beyond horizon surface or low-flying/sea-skimming targets.

Your opinion?

[Gypsy661]

hi , i tried looking at the F-15SAs electronic package. noteably the Digital Electronic Warfare System package (DEWS) was either missing or just not identified by me

but i suspect it's missing and i was wondering why?

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

But the question is whether the S-300FM/48N6 has the ability to engage surface targets beyond horizon as well?
IIRC, the DB3000 they are limited to 25 nmi in anti-surface mode, simulating the limitations of LOS-based fire control radars.

Wikipedia at least states that the S-300FM onboard the Kirov-class (and hence also the Type 051C, as they have the same SAM) is equipped with an infra-red sensor as well to make it capable of engaging beyond horizon surface or low-flying/sea-skimming targets.

Your opinion?

Well, this may explain why many military reports aren't concerning about the Russian SAM for anti-ship purpose.

Most of the Surface radar including Tombstone can only detect surface target at 20nm or less. If only rely on them, S-300 will only be as short-legged as ESSM in SASS mode. Also TVM require datalink, thus OECM can jam it as soon as the target can track it. And furthermore, it did not tell if there's MPA or such to illuminate the target for 48N6 to see when it's beyond 20nm.

The bright side is because the TVM only seek the painted target, so the missile itself has no sensor to judge the target, spoofing it will be much harder. I don't know if CEC feature can be implemented by MPA's sensor illumination, but if it does, it will makes OTH SASS for S-300 possible.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Gypsy661

hi , i tried looking at the F-15SAs electronic package. noteably the Digital Electronic Warfare System package (DEWS) was either missing or just not identified by me

but i suspect it's missing and i was wondering why?

Who knows. Didn't have information on it at the time likely.

Please post a link with info so we can add it

Mike