is this game dead?

[Canoerebel]

WitW isn't dead for those playing it and enjoying it, but that pool seems to be dwindling.

Look at the AAR page. The last update for a WitW game was in July. As far as the forum is concerned, the game is on life support.

This is a shame, as the war in Western Europe is of intense interest to many war gamers. I took a sabbatical from WitP: AE back in late 2013 (a sabbatical that lasted for more than two years). I was therefore in the market for a new game. WitW came out that December (or maybe it was December '14). I looked at it very closely as a possible purchase, but the reviews I was getting ranged from tepid to discouraging.

I wish WitW had been a great success. I want Matrix games to succeed so that it can keep putting out wargames. But perhaps there are lessons to be learned from WitW. It missed the mark pretty badly, I think.

[RedLancer]

I surmise your hypothesis is based upon a straight comparison with WitP:AE and its busy AAR forum. I believe that hypothesis to be flawed.

It is much easier to write a WitP:AE AAR even though the game is bigger in scope. That is because it is WEGO and the game turns shorter. Writing an AAR for WitW, especially in a server game is not easy. In fact it's a royal pain in the **** and takes as much planning as playing. Because the system is IGOUGO you have to capture screenshots and info as you go as once the turn is submitted you cannot go back and get the shots you need or the info you have forgotten. You can lose a lot in a week long turn if you miss it. For me, writing a WitW AAR detracts from playing the game as it takes so much additional effort.

Secondly WitW is a very good game against the AI. Most players play the AI which is why so much effort goes into its coding. Writing about your success against a computer doesn't have quite the same ring to it. I also believe that if you are going to play a full campaign in WitP:AE the added trouble of an AAR is relatively less trouble than with WitW.

WitW is in many respects more complex than WitP:AE. However the WitW Manual is more comprehensive, more revealing about the code calculations and easier to understand. There are a lot less 'how do you do that?' posts here.

WitP:AE has a very active forum with many posts that are OT. That's fantastic; but WitP:AE's forum success is not a direct measure of WitW.

[zakblood]

couldn't have said it better myself [;)]

[Canoerebel]

Being a negative nelly probably isn't beneficial, so I'll bow out and keep my WitW thoughts to myself.

[Gilmer]

Well... I have it and have not played it past the Sicily scenario. Why? Because I am doing Let's Pays on Youtube and right now I am in the middle of a Let's Play the Grand Campaign War in the East as the Soviets.

I plan on doing one for War in the West at some point, but hey, let me get done with the current one!I think the game looks fantastic and the challenges will definitely be real and dynamic.

Too many games and not enough time to do Let's Plays. I think games like War in the East and War in the West, maybe counter-intuitively, work well in the youtube format. You can do things quickly and no one expects you to describe the movement and attacks of individual units like the 70th rifle corps. You get to describe what you are doing strategically as you're making attacks for the turn.

[nicwb]

I don't think the game is dead but I do think it needs to be freshened up. By this I mean both sides seem to be very strategically confined. You invade/defend Sicily, then Italy, then France. The latter is defined by VP penalties. Elsewhere in the forums a more experienced player basically outlined there were only three worthwhile places for invading France.

Historically I don't think it was that cut and dried. Up till '43 Churchill was pressing repeatedly for the "soft underbelly" approach. But take that approach in the game and the allies are penalised on points. The map shows Greece, Norway and Yugoslavia but they never really feature.

[colberki]

I have been reading the manual, AARs and postings. I think I am getting somewhere with the air operations and logistics system. Looking a very interesting game. Maybe a PBEM with a fellow newbie.

[Marvin88]

ORIGINAL: colberki

I have been reading the manual, AARs and postings. I think I am getting somewhere with the air operations and logistics system. Looking a very interesting game. Maybe a PBEM with a fellow newbie.

[Ostwindflak]

Hey H Gilmer, nice to see that you may do a LP of this game. I have watched your other LPs (of the AGEOD games mostly) and enjoyed them. I wasn't aware you are doing one currently of WiTE. I'll check that out too. Keep up the good work in show casing these games.

[Gilmer]

ORIGINAL: Ostwindflak

Hey H Gilmer, nice to see that you may do a LP of this game. I have watched your other LPs (of the AGEOD games mostly) and enjoyed them. I wasn't aware you are doing one currently of WiTE. I'll check that out too. Keep up the good work in show casing these games.

Thanks! By my own admission, I probably started out weak. Some complaining here and there on some of the Ageod titles - probably especially Birth of America 2 and 30 Years War. I am much more positive these days.

I think you are probably more knowledgeable than I am about WITE, so be easy on me. I promise I'm not as dumb as my play-through appears!

[budd]

What's your channel? I'd like to check out your LP's

[Marc_Mitscher]

So found my old login, have not posted here in a while. I have WITP, WITPAE, WITE and now WITW. I have never gotten into these games as much as I would have liked since the sheer amount of detail tends to be overwhelming.

However I have been spending a lot of time with WITW and have to admit it seems to hit a sweetspot. The number of ground units is about right so you can churn out turns quickly and you can automate or micromanage the rest to your heart's content. I particularly like how the air war is handled since it is a game in itself.

Kudos to the Devs.

[Gilmer]

ORIGINAL: **budd**

What's your channel? I'd like to check out your LP's

Hi Budd

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCnBOV5ZG4XEIf1WsMyNNsw/playlists

[budd]

ORIGINAL: H Gilmer

ORIGINAL: **budd**

What's your channel? I'd like to check out your LP's

Hi Budd

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCnBOV5ZG4XEIf1WsMyNNsw/playlists

Thank you sir, i'll be checking out that WITE LP.

[jacktimes2]

I love the air war system and long for the day we get a naval equivalent. Perhaps someone will finally do The Battle of the Atlantic justice. I understand why and agree that a campaign in the West might get rather dull in the '39-41 timeline, but given that we have air-only scenarios, adding a naval component could make for some really fun early war waging, even if only in scenario form. Of course, combining this with the Eastern front in one massive War in Europe campaign would probably force me into early retirement and risk my marriage. Not that I'd complain.

[HunterICX]

I tend to lurk more then that I log in, popped a question on the forums a few months back when I was sinking my teeth into the game playing a larger scenario for the first time. Now with summer high season at work in full swing I'm a bit stressed for time when it comes to games of this scale as at the end of the day my brain feels like it's burned out.
[:D] Does anyone know where I can get spares?

So yeah I think the decline of forum activity can also be contributed to people enjoying their Summer holidays and the less fortunate among us like me who work in the tourism sector who have to work harder during the high season [;)]

I'll be glad when the high season is over and the weather turns the heat down so I can get back at getting my WW2 wargame fix sorted. [;)] Got a 4th Supreme Command PBEM game planned with a friend of mine lined up after we finished to preliminary PBEM short scenario game to decide who will play as the Germans.

(also blame your manual for being so good I don't really have a lot of questions to ask on the forum )

[colberki]

I posted a PBEM game request. 68 hits to date and still no is interested to play. [&:]

[stolypin]

After 8 months of Command: Modern Air / Naval Operations, I'm ready for some WWII. WitE and WitW are on my schedule for the fall and winter.

So definitely not "dead" for me.

[Steely Glint]

ORIGINAL: colberki

I posted a PBEM game request. 68 hits to date and still no is interested to play. [&:]

I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I prefer to play against the AI.

[quertice]

ORIGINAL: Steely Glint

ORIGINAL: colberki

I posted a PBEM game request. 68 hits to date and still no is interested to play. [&:]

I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I prefer to play against the AI.

me too, I prefer to play versus ai, no time enough to play versus a human, moreover the ai isn't bad, this wargame is fully enjoyable playing with ai (at least playing as allied), in this manner it's better than older Grigsby's monster wargame as witp and wite.
So, I often read this forum, but almost never I posted anything, no need to search for opponents, no need to ask for info because I can understand all the game by mean of the really detailed and good looking hardbound manual, and of the intuitive user friendly modern GUI, so I think here is a so low posts rate because many players are like me, just have no things to say, only have to get Berlin before soviets [:D]