Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone)

[Stelteck]

One thing interesting in the turn too :

I nearly air supplied all my troops in the packet with supply drops from bombers/transports. But i did not had enough transport to be fully efficient.
So i created several more transport air wing and i'am creating an air base dedicated to supplying troops.
For planes the U2 transport is terrible with a low 9 hex range, but the LI-2 is rare but very good.

I should have done that some times ago.

[chaos45]

My guess is he will have to retreat---as he only has 2 more turns of snow. If he leaves his units exposed without forts for blizzard vs a soviet army of 5+ million men, and in a bad supply situation he will lose alot of troops to Soviet attacks. He did the other operation just to cut down soviet numbers and reduce his frontline to prepare for defensive operations I think.

[Stelteck]

Turn 23 : 20 november 1941 !!!

Surprise !!! Something is approching....

Good guess Chaos you predicted the outcome well.



Soviet scientist report than the northern region will be covered with blizzard next turn !!!! Earlier as expected.



Nothern region is the moscow and voronev Area !!!



As the consequence, the proud german army begin for the first time in the campaign to retreat !!

This turn, they focused in cleaning the previous pocket.



But they will not escape the soviet storm !!! My troops will follow !!!

Despite these good news, the casulaties were heavy this turn, due to the surrender of 80K coward soviet troops. They did not fight very well in the pocket..... This will have to be explained if they ever return from captivity.



This screen is very funny.

First, it looks like equipment looses are quite heavy for german. Maybe it is the cold or the soviet resistance. 170 tanks is not bad.

Second, we can see the types of german tanks destroyed. It is funny that i had to destroyed around 80 soviet tanks (T-34 and B-7M) that fought for the nazi army (probably previously captured). Traitor tanks !!!

[EwaldvonKleist]

Congratulations for "winning" this battle of Moscow"!
But I think that there is now blizzard bonus before 4th of december or am I wrong?
Judging from this photo, soviet camera and car industry is 50 years ahead of the rest of the world. This once more proves the superiority of the communist system [:D]

[Stelteck]

But I think that there is now blizzard bonus before 4th of december or am I wrong?
Judging from this photo, soviet camera and car industry is 50 years ahead of the rest of the world. This once more proves the superiority of the communist system [:D]

For the bonus i do not know.

For the second point [:D]
When i search online for historical photo with google, i'am now finding more and more photos coming from site like pin-interest or dedicated site for pictures. These site require login and probably paiement for use. It is quite annoying. Simple photo took me a long time to find sometimes.

[Stelteck]

Turn 24 : 27 november 1941

No blizzard yet !!! The prediction was false.
But there will be blizzard on all front next turn.

Still german army slowly retreat from difficult positions and push where it is safe.



It looks like the fascist invader try a new WW1 slow brute approach now.

Moscow is now in contact in 3 points with the ennemy, but defended by the strong 55th army of the moscow military district.

Another front is the crimea, where the coastal army performed a rugged defense. Slowly retreating but still holding !!

[Dinglir]

I noticed you have Zhukov in STAVKA and that your partisans seem to be a lot more active than mine.

For comparison purposes, how many partisan squads and NKVD squads do you get every turn (ie. how much is your partisan force building)?

[Stelteck]

In fact i just removed Zuikov from Stavka and set him in command of my elite front. (Now that i have some spare front (caucasus, vostock), i put my 3 elites armies in caucasus front with zuikov as leader.

[Stelteck]

Turn 25 : 04 December 1941

Blizzard is here and here to stay !!!

Epic blizzard and low temperature strike all the front line, but the german troops were well-prepared for this as the winter coats and others equipments arrived on time due to hitler's excellent planning.

Still, fighting value of german units is halved. Mobility is also reduced, for both side.

December is very good news for the soviet army !!!

First, behold the new elite striking force that i'am able to build !!



Picture taken just before the corps take the train to the front.... No time for rest !!!

[Stelteck]

My ennemy react to the blizzard by ... moving away from my strong troops and retreating in weak points.

Finlands troops are immune to cold, so the north front stay here.

North of moscow, my ennemy begin a slow retreat so i'am not able to attack him with my elite troops, that are not very fast in blizzard.



Same thing south of moscow and everywhere in the front.





In critical point, like in front of moscow, the german did not retreat, but created a very strong line of defense using mountain troops (immune to cold too). I have no hope to attack here.
I will be able to gain ground on the side. It looks like my opponent give up hope to encercle my troops here, but plan to take moscow by brute frontal assaut force in the spring.



Most of the time i'am not in position to attack due to ennemy retreat. But i still try.

Sometimes it is working a little, but at huge cost.



Sometimes it hilariously fail



My best attack was in crimea, where bulgarian troops looks very bad.



No decisive battle and i'am not sûre there will be this winter. But i will take the ground pelton give me as it will help me prepare the 1942 defense.

[Stelteck]

Just for fun, here some stats :

I'am currently having :

- 47 army HQ. 4 with "Elite status" + 2 newly founded shock army for cavalry corps. 41 ok but bad army.

- 40 cavalry divisions which soon be converted in a douzen of cavalry corps. I really need more cavalry corps, maybe i will have to built some from scratch.

- 359 rifle divisions !!!! Ranging from medium but bad fighting value, to very bad.

- 100 rifle bridages, with very bad fighting value, but can dig fortification in the rear a little at half a division speed.

- 93 tank brigades, with very bad fighting value and very bad dig potential. And the funny thing : They use very expansive and very rare equipments. I still use some of them as they react not bad in attack when in reserve mode.

- 55 Air bases.

It is a lot of thing to move. (near 700)).... German have far less units, that's why it take me so long to perform my turn as soviet, compared to a german general. I hope something will be done to minimise this in WITE2.

To finish, my best ultra elite battle hardened guard rifle division, in the way to the front :



Heeee, it is not that bad, this units worth nearly half of a bad german infantry division !! Show some respect !!!

Ok, now this is my worst division : (Also at the front in the same area south of moscow lol. No training time for the students of the elementary school in their way to battle !!!!).
I hope they will not fire on the first one by accident.

[821Bobo]

My best attack was in crimea, where bulgarian troops looks very bad.

Seriously? [8|]

[M60A3TTS]

You spent all 173 admin points this turn. On what?

[821Bobo]

Probably on building cavalry corps.

[STEF78]

Nice AAR and good result against a top notch german player. Mild blizzard and no +1 is a hard challenge.

You desesperatly need to create a buffer in front of Moscow! Pelton will be back on the offensive early march.

[chaos45]

gain ground on the flanks of moscow as it will prevent or force him to make a massive commitment of forces in 1942 to take it.....either way you are looking good now, because even if moscow falls mid 1942...you got the tons of replacements from it in 1941 and however long into 1942 when the manpower multiplier is the biggest.

Get your cav corps built and commit to gaining ground on the southern flank of moscow hopefully even retaking tula---then you can massively fortify it by summer and it might even allow you hold moscow if you get the tula area fortified and can regain some of that ground to the north of moscow....then make sure in spring you get some guards into moscow so he cants just storm it if its still on the frontline which it looks like it will be.

Also just to prep for spring 1942 your armies trying to hold moscow will need to be well lead and well support---- 4-6 artillery regiments each, and at least 2-4 sappers each until you can start doing rifle corps with attached sapper regiments.

[chaos45]

also any attack in blizzard which knocks off fortification levels of the germans isnt a wasted attack as then the unit is more affected by the blizzard next turn due to lower fort value and will probably lose to attacks the next turn...not to mention german re-supply sucks in the blizzard so it reduces their ammo and supplies for next turns attack.

[Stelteck]

ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

My best attack was in crimea, where bulgarian troops looks very bad.

Seriously? [8|]

Sorry. But what do i know of people in strange land ?

Here my international relation expert :

[Stelteck]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
You spent all 173 admin points this turn. On what?

I'am a huge political point nerd user. It is very rare that i finish a turn with more than a handfull of remaining PP.

This turn as i remember :

- Transfert ivan konev from bryank front to Volkov front, as this front will be the front for all my shock armies with cavalry corps.
- Create a bunch of cavalry corps with supports units.
- TRansfert experienced sapper regiment from armies to stavka to be integrated in corps. Created new sapper regiment in the armies.
- Created 20 separate tank batalions to be integrated in corps. (For now, i used motocycle regiment until they are ready).
- Transfert bunch of troops here and here in the chain of command.
- Remove cavalry from front to send them to stavka to create future corps.
- In the south, my armies had tons of brigades. I removed them as i have division to replace them. Then brigade are transfered to stavka and stay here as second line troops.

And it is very easy to run out of PP. I'am always running out of PP.

In my opinion, i use them too much as sometimes i find myself undoing something i did 3/4 turns earlier due to lack of advance planification in PP use.
Sometimes also i changed my mind about something, like the perfect support configuration of armies...

I was telling the truth when i said that my turns were quite long [:D]

[M60A3TTS]

ORIGINAL: chaos45

gain ground on the flanks of moscow as it will prevent or force him to make a massive commitment of forces in 1942 to take it.....either way you are looking good now, because even if moscow falls mid 1942...you got the tons of replacements from it in 1941 and however long into 1942 when the manpower multiplier is the biggest.

Get your cav corps built and commit to gaining ground on the southern flank of moscow hopefully even retaking tula---then you can massively fortify it by summer and it might even allow you hold moscow if you get the tula area fortified and can regain some of that ground to the north of moscow....then make sure in spring you get some guards into moscow so he cants just storm it if its still on the frontline which it looks like it will be.

Also just to prep for spring 1942 your armies trying to hold moscow will need to be well lead and well support---- 4-6 artillery regiments each, and at least 2-4 sappers each until you can start doing rifle corps with attached sapper regiments.

Some good advice here, but until cav divisions drop to 10AP in May, it's a rather costly proposition building many of them. Typically building 1-2 to round out a future corps pre-blizzard is fine.

The cavalry dispositions we can see here are not good.



At the completion of turn 24, the cav divisions should be triple stacked and close to if not right behind the front lines. They should all be ready for corps conversions, SU fit out and commitment from the very start of blizzard. Every blizzard turn is crucial as you won't have another opportunity to do something like this until late 42-early 43.