Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
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Dragon029 - thanks for the informative response. Based on what you know, how does my proposed payload sound?
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They look good except I'd add the gun pod for the F-35B/C whenever a payload features external weapons and the #3 payload (GBU-32 1000lb JDAMs internal) would be F-35B/C only.
I'd also add the following:
7. 4x AMRAAM (int), 2x AIM-9X (ext) (all 3 variants, gun pod included for B/C variants, this would just be a 'heavy CAP' style loadout).
8. 8x GBU-39, 2x AMRAAM (F-35A only)
9. 2x JSOW, 2x AMRAAM (F-35C only)
Also, while there's attention on the F-35, any chance we could get the radar fixed at the same time? I talked about my concerns and suggestions about many of the AESAs on CMANO having odd performance figures back on page 114 (just ctrl+f Dragon029).
I'd also add the following:
7. 4x AMRAAM (int), 2x AIM-9X (ext) (all 3 variants, gun pod included for B/C variants, this would just be a 'heavy CAP' style loadout).
8. 8x GBU-39, 2x AMRAAM (F-35A only)
9. 2x JSOW, 2x AMRAAM (F-35C only)
Also, while there's attention on the F-35, any chance we could get the radar fixed at the same time? I talked about my concerns and suggestions about many of the AESAs on CMANO having odd performance figures back on page 114 (just ctrl+f Dragon029).
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Have made some database mods.
First, I've destroyed the F-35 [8D]
The initial version only uses internal JDAMs, and also has external loadouts for GBU-12s and Paveway IVs. No external AMRAAMs etc. All fancy loadouts including Meteor have been moved to 2025 variant.
Updated Meteor in-service date on Typhoon. It is still not operational, IOC is expected early 2018 along with Storm Shadow.
Added F/A-18 loadouts:
http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/54/74/5 ... sur-un.jpg
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11 ... -bomb-load
Updated AARGM to engage ships and land units. Land units are set to 'Do not engage' in WRA, but can be changed through doctrine window or by firing weapon manually.
First, I've destroyed the F-35 [8D]
The initial version only uses internal JDAMs, and also has external loadouts for GBU-12s and Paveway IVs. No external AMRAAMs etc. All fancy loadouts including Meteor have been moved to 2025 variant.
Updated Meteor in-service date on Typhoon. It is still not operational, IOC is expected early 2018 along with Storm Shadow.
Added F/A-18 loadouts:
http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/54/74/5 ... sur-un.jpg
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11 ... -bomb-load
Updated AARGM to engage ships and land units. Land units are set to 'Do not engage' in WRA, but can be changed through doctrine window or by firing weapon manually.
Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Have updated radars as per your requests, thanks!
https://pastebin.com/6ny1hUzn
https://pastebin.com/6ny1hUzn
Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!
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Thanks yourself! By the way, will you still have the GBU-39 on the [non-2025] F-35A? I feel that's one of its most useful loadouts and is very much confirmed to be a Block 3F loadout [there's even some footage here at 2:30 of it ripple-launching a pair of SDBs]
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Could you add SEAD loadout to Peruvian SU-25
2 AS-11 Kilters, 2 Aphids, 2 Fuel tanks
Sipri infos
Belarus
R: Peru (100) Kh-25/AS-10 ARM (1996) 1997 (100) Probably second-hand; part of $402 m deal; Kh-25ML (AS-10B) version for Su-25 combat aircraft; ordered after experiences in 1995 war with Ecuador
(100) Kh-29/AS-14 Kedge ASM (1996) 1997 (100) Probably ex-Belarusian; part of $402 m deal; Kh-29L version; for Su-25 combat aircraft; ordered after experiences in 1995 war with Ecuador
(25) Kh-58U/AS-11 ARM (1996) 1997 (25) Second-hand; for Su-25UB combat aircraft
18 MiG-29 Fighter aircraft 1996 1997 18 Probably second-hand; part of $252 m deal; ordered after experiences in 1995 war with Ecuador; incl 2 MiG-29UB version
(70) R-27/AA-10 BVRAAM 1996 1997 (70) Probably second-hand; part of $252 m deal; R-27R version; for MiG-29 combat aircraft
(350) R-60/AA-8 SRAAM 1996 1997-1998 (350) Second-hand; for MiG-29 and Su-25 combat aircraft
18 Su-25 Ground attack ac (1996) 1997 18 Second-hand; part of $402 m deal; incl 8 Su-25UB; ordered in reaction to 1995 war with Ecuador; incl for anti-narcotics operations
23 R-60/AA-8 SRAAM (2001) 2002 23 Ex-Belarusian
2 AS-11 Kilters, 2 Aphids, 2 Fuel tanks
Sipri infos
Belarus
R: Peru (100) Kh-25/AS-10 ARM (1996) 1997 (100) Probably second-hand; part of $402 m deal; Kh-25ML (AS-10B) version for Su-25 combat aircraft; ordered after experiences in 1995 war with Ecuador
(100) Kh-29/AS-14 Kedge ASM (1996) 1997 (100) Probably ex-Belarusian; part of $402 m deal; Kh-29L version; for Su-25 combat aircraft; ordered after experiences in 1995 war with Ecuador
(25) Kh-58U/AS-11 ARM (1996) 1997 (25) Second-hand; for Su-25UB combat aircraft
18 MiG-29 Fighter aircraft 1996 1997 18 Probably second-hand; part of $252 m deal; ordered after experiences in 1995 war with Ecuador; incl 2 MiG-29UB version
(70) R-27/AA-10 BVRAAM 1996 1997 (70) Probably second-hand; part of $252 m deal; R-27R version; for MiG-29 combat aircraft
(350) R-60/AA-8 SRAAM 1996 1997-1998 (350) Second-hand; for MiG-29 and Su-25 combat aircraft
18 Su-25 Ground attack ac (1996) 1997 18 Second-hand; part of $402 m deal; incl 8 Su-25UB; ordered in reaction to 1995 war with Ecuador; incl for anti-narcotics operations
23 R-60/AA-8 SRAAM (2001) 2002 23 Ex-Belarusian
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
According this text, the characteristic of a radar "max range" is a range of detection target with RCS 1 sq.m ?
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
ORIGINAL: Dimitris
ORIGINAL: TheOttoman
To which I have seen no answer for.ORIGINAL: SlabSheetrock
These are both extremely important questions to ask.
We are aware that the current process is not as optimal as it can be. Part of the reason that the rate of DB updates has been reduced lately is that we are working on a number of initiatives that will hopefully enable greater agility, scalability and transparency.
These efforts will require some time to bear fruit, but we think that the end state will satisfy those aims.
Thank you for your patience and support as we make this complex transition.
Oh Heavens, please don't think I'm not happy! I'm really enjoying the game, I just wanted to know where the list of things that are being worked on is.
I requested that Pacific 24 be added to the boats database a couple of posts back. I just wanted to see if it made it onto the list of additions.
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That is correct; I know some manufacturers will also specify things like ranges against naval targets (which due to their size typically exceed air-to-air range figures), and some radar manufacturers will specify targets of 3m^2 or 5m^2, but at least with American / most western manufacturers, 1m^2, nose-on is the standard for 'max range' detection figures.ORIGINAL: FilitchAccording this text, the characteristic of a radar "max range" is a range of detection target with RCS 1 sq.m ?
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Sorry, I mean characteristic of radar in CMANO database.ORIGINAL: Dragon029
That is correct; I know some manufacturers will also specify things like ranges against naval targets (which due to their size typically exceed air-to-air range figures), and some radar manufacturers will specify targets of 3m^2 or 5m^2, but at least with American / most western manufacturers, 1m^2, nose-on is the standard for 'max range' detection figures.
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
That's a good question / something I forgot about - based on testing it's a sensor's absolute max range - I ran a quick test then and B-52s with a frontal RCS of 107.2m^2 were routinely detected at just under 120nmi (117, 118, 119, etc), F-15As (5.8m^2) were detected only marginally closer at 116, 117nmi and F-16Cs (2.2m^2) were repeatedly detected at just under 90nmi (87, 88, 89, etc).
Ideally (at least with modern radars), the max range figures being listed here would be something like an average (max) detection range for a given RCS (as mentioned, with 1m^2 being common when not otherwise specified); if the devs were to adopt this, I'd be in favour of the range rings remaining as they are, or if they want to do the work, having them change in radius based on the RCS of either a selected unit or the largest RCS unit for that detection type (air / surface).
Targets with a larger RCS would be able to be detected at further ranges, until either the radar horizon kicks in (when the Earth itself prevents your S-band, X-band, etc emissions from reaching the target), or (for older / less advanced radars / radars operating on certain modes) until the pulse repetition frequency of the radar limits your ability to listen to a return signal (because if your pulses look the same, you can't be sure if a returning pulse is from a target you hit really far away, or a target really close). It's my understanding however that modern radars that frequency hop or apply unique waveforms / modulation to each pulse are able to overcome that latter limit, because you don't have to worry about confusing pulses from far / close targets.
Still, for now I'm just happy to see my proposed radar changes get implemented and for that other stuff (which IIRC has been mentioned by the devs as potentially a roadmap item) to get dealt with when the time is right.
Ideally (at least with modern radars), the max range figures being listed here would be something like an average (max) detection range for a given RCS (as mentioned, with 1m^2 being common when not otherwise specified); if the devs were to adopt this, I'd be in favour of the range rings remaining as they are, or if they want to do the work, having them change in radius based on the RCS of either a selected unit or the largest RCS unit for that detection type (air / surface).
Targets with a larger RCS would be able to be detected at further ranges, until either the radar horizon kicks in (when the Earth itself prevents your S-band, X-band, etc emissions from reaching the target), or (for older / less advanced radars / radars operating on certain modes) until the pulse repetition frequency of the radar limits your ability to listen to a return signal (because if your pulses look the same, you can't be sure if a returning pulse is from a target you hit really far away, or a target really close). It's my understanding however that modern radars that frequency hop or apply unique waveforms / modulation to each pulse are able to overcome that latter limit, because you don't have to worry about confusing pulses from far / close targets.
Still, for now I'm just happy to see my proposed radar changes get implemented and for that other stuff (which IIRC has been mentioned by the devs as potentially a roadmap item) to get dealt with when the time is right.
RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?
Also the database doesn't include the naval versions of F-15 (F-15N-phx Sea Eagle) . It is basically the carrier capable version of the F-15C.
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?
While we are talking about radars, I'll take this moment to post the link to the Electronic Warfare and Radar Systems Handbook (4th edition, dated 2013), available from the DoD's Defence Technical Information Center website. With all this talk of reviewing radar performance, it may come in handy!
The link:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a617071.pdf
The link:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a617071.pdf
RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?
Could you please add Turkish Tuzla class asw patrol boats? P-1200 Tuzla is first commissioned in 2011 and there are 16 now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuzla-class_patrol_boat
https://turkishnavy.net/patrol-craft/tuzla-class/
Basic Stats
Type: Patrol boat
Displacement: 400 long tons (406 t) full load[8]
Length: 55.75 m (182 ft 11 in)[9]
Beam: 8.85 m (29 ft 0 in)[10]
Draught: 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in)[11]
Propulsion: 2 × MTU 250kw each diesel generators and engines, Otto Piening shaft and Propeller[12]
Speed: 25 knots (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range: 1,000 nmi (1,900 km) at 14 kn (26 km/h)
Endurance: 1500 nmi
Complement: 35 (15 officers, 20 privates)[13]
Sensors and
processing systems:
25 kW X-Band Navigation Radar with ARPA/W(ECDIS) capability;
Electro optical low-weight, multi-purpose, thermal imaging sensor; Optical Gyro compass with INS capability,
Simrad SP92 Mk II hull-mounted low frequency Sonar
Armament:
40 mm Oto Melara Twin compact gun,
2 × Aselsan 12.7 mm Stabilized Machine Gun with IR imaging and remote control capability (STAMP),
Roketsan ASW rocket launcher,
4 × Depth charges
Info on Roketsan ASW Launcher
http://www.roketsan.com.tr/wp-content/u ... email2.pdf
Range 500 - 2000 m
Depth of Detonation 15 - 300 m
Warhead High Explosive (HE)
Insensitive (IM)
Fuze Time Setting (Depth Control
by Fire Control Computer Remotely)
Diameter 196 mm
Weight (Rocket) 35.5 kg
Weight (with Tube) 43 kg
Length (Rocket) 1300 mm
Salvo Interval ^0.8 sec
Explosive Weight 12 kg
Propellant Type Reduced Smoke Composite
Launcher System Stabilized, Automatic Launcher
Laying Using Ship Sonar Data
Number of Rockets
in the Launcher 6
Launcher Laying Automatic - Manual
Firing System Weight 1200 kg
More detail on systems and ship
http://www.dearsan.com/en/dearsan-in-wo ... -boat.html
The Tuzla class units feature 10 water and gas tight compartments with structural fire protection consisting of fire retarding and insulating materials and fire alarm system that automatically governs the ventilating system. The units damage control equipment consist of firefighting pumps, fire and smoke sensors, bilge water level sensors, fixed pressurized water/foam FM-20 fire extinguishing systems, and remotely activated sprinkler systems in machinery room. All damage control activities can be monitored by a CCTV system in machine control room and a on the bridge.
The tender for the NTPB units included a range of specific performance parameters. Seakeeping and stability requirements set by the Turkish Navy prescribed the boats to be capable of conducting all tasks up to SS+(2.5 waves) and key surveillance task up to SS5(4 waves). Another requirement set by the Turkish Navy was to minimize crew numbers and reduce maintenance wherever possible. The result is high level of automation allowing the patrol boats to be operated with a crew of just 34.Their Platform Management System(PMS) integrates the control of all platform machinery, electrical power generation distribution and supporting systems. A comprehensive range of user interfaces monitor the propulsion plant, damage control, and closure state. Sensors, actuators, and integrated closed-circuit digital TV system provide a flexible and effective approach for data acquisition and control. An integrated bridge systems offers embedded functionality for bridge and deck operations, allowing the boat to be manned by single watch officer and two other crew members on bridge during transit cruising.
Main ASuW armament is made up to a single Oto Melara twin 40/L70 Compact 40mm gun offering a fire rate of 4,500rpm and range of 8.6 km (4,6nm). Soft-kill defence is provide by two 12.7mm STAMP (Stabilized Automatic Machine Gun Platform) remotely controlled machine guns from Aselsan. Capable of firing 200rds/min of conventional ammunition and featuring automatic target tracking and ballistic calculation, these guns are quite effective against asymmetric threats. The ASW suite consist of two rails for depth charges and two Roketsan ASRLS six barreled anti-submarine rocket launchers fitted in the stern area.
The CIC features five multifunction consoles: one of the STAMP machine guns, one TASK-40 for Oto Melara gun, one of the Simrad SP92 MkII sonar, one of the Raytheon radar and one of for the ASRLS rocket launcher.
Aselsan also provided its ASELFLIR 300D EO director and fire control system capable of determining, identifying and tricking high speed targets on the sea surface, in the air and on land. It tracks up to six targets simultaneously. Aselsan was also responsible for an integrated communication system providing both internal and external communication capabilities. It includes wideband radios, commercial SATCOM equipment, as well as secure open voice and data communications.
Havelsan supplied message handling systems, two HF transceivers, two LF/HF receivers, two Duplex HF Data modems, and two VHF/UHF transceivers with Have Quick II for integration of navigation, communications, C2 and weapons into boats combat system.
Yaltes provides the operator consoles and tactical bridge display units and the Kongsberk Maritime delivered the Simrad SP92 MkII hull-mounted multi-frequency sonar. It is designed for detection of weak and scattered targets, is capable of operating in 11 different frequencies, and has detection range of more than 3,000m
Raytheon’s surface search radar ensures safe navigation and detection of surface targets at close range. Other sensors include the IFF Mod4, a Ship Information Transmitting System (GBDS) and the TB-SH under water phone.
The ‘Tuzla’ class is powered by two Tognum MTU 16V 4000 M90 diesel engines with 7300hp, and two MTU diesel generators with total power of 520hp.The boats can remain on station for up to 14 days, and the on-board fuel capacity provides an operational range in excess of 2,000nm(3,700km) at 12 knots. Low noise level drive fixed-pitch propellers delivered by Otto Piening GmbH along twin shafts enable the boats a maximum design speed of 25 knots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuzla-class_patrol_boat
https://turkishnavy.net/patrol-craft/tuzla-class/
Basic Stats
Type: Patrol boat
Displacement: 400 long tons (406 t) full load[8]
Length: 55.75 m (182 ft 11 in)[9]
Beam: 8.85 m (29 ft 0 in)[10]
Draught: 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in)[11]
Propulsion: 2 × MTU 250kw each diesel generators and engines, Otto Piening shaft and Propeller[12]
Speed: 25 knots (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range: 1,000 nmi (1,900 km) at 14 kn (26 km/h)
Endurance: 1500 nmi
Complement: 35 (15 officers, 20 privates)[13]
Sensors and
processing systems:
25 kW X-Band Navigation Radar with ARPA/W(ECDIS) capability;
Electro optical low-weight, multi-purpose, thermal imaging sensor; Optical Gyro compass with INS capability,
Simrad SP92 Mk II hull-mounted low frequency Sonar
Armament:
40 mm Oto Melara Twin compact gun,
2 × Aselsan 12.7 mm Stabilized Machine Gun with IR imaging and remote control capability (STAMP),
Roketsan ASW rocket launcher,
4 × Depth charges
Info on Roketsan ASW Launcher
http://www.roketsan.com.tr/wp-content/u ... email2.pdf
Range 500 - 2000 m
Depth of Detonation 15 - 300 m
Warhead High Explosive (HE)
Insensitive (IM)
Fuze Time Setting (Depth Control
by Fire Control Computer Remotely)
Diameter 196 mm
Weight (Rocket) 35.5 kg
Weight (with Tube) 43 kg
Length (Rocket) 1300 mm
Salvo Interval ^0.8 sec
Explosive Weight 12 kg
Propellant Type Reduced Smoke Composite
Launcher System Stabilized, Automatic Launcher
Laying Using Ship Sonar Data
Number of Rockets
in the Launcher 6
Launcher Laying Automatic - Manual
Firing System Weight 1200 kg
More detail on systems and ship
http://www.dearsan.com/en/dearsan-in-wo ... -boat.html
The Tuzla class units feature 10 water and gas tight compartments with structural fire protection consisting of fire retarding and insulating materials and fire alarm system that automatically governs the ventilating system. The units damage control equipment consist of firefighting pumps, fire and smoke sensors, bilge water level sensors, fixed pressurized water/foam FM-20 fire extinguishing systems, and remotely activated sprinkler systems in machinery room. All damage control activities can be monitored by a CCTV system in machine control room and a on the bridge.
The tender for the NTPB units included a range of specific performance parameters. Seakeeping and stability requirements set by the Turkish Navy prescribed the boats to be capable of conducting all tasks up to SS+(2.5 waves) and key surveillance task up to SS5(4 waves). Another requirement set by the Turkish Navy was to minimize crew numbers and reduce maintenance wherever possible. The result is high level of automation allowing the patrol boats to be operated with a crew of just 34.Their Platform Management System(PMS) integrates the control of all platform machinery, electrical power generation distribution and supporting systems. A comprehensive range of user interfaces monitor the propulsion plant, damage control, and closure state. Sensors, actuators, and integrated closed-circuit digital TV system provide a flexible and effective approach for data acquisition and control. An integrated bridge systems offers embedded functionality for bridge and deck operations, allowing the boat to be manned by single watch officer and two other crew members on bridge during transit cruising.
Main ASuW armament is made up to a single Oto Melara twin 40/L70 Compact 40mm gun offering a fire rate of 4,500rpm and range of 8.6 km (4,6nm). Soft-kill defence is provide by two 12.7mm STAMP (Stabilized Automatic Machine Gun Platform) remotely controlled machine guns from Aselsan. Capable of firing 200rds/min of conventional ammunition and featuring automatic target tracking and ballistic calculation, these guns are quite effective against asymmetric threats. The ASW suite consist of two rails for depth charges and two Roketsan ASRLS six barreled anti-submarine rocket launchers fitted in the stern area.
The CIC features five multifunction consoles: one of the STAMP machine guns, one TASK-40 for Oto Melara gun, one of the Simrad SP92 MkII sonar, one of the Raytheon radar and one of for the ASRLS rocket launcher.
Aselsan also provided its ASELFLIR 300D EO director and fire control system capable of determining, identifying and tricking high speed targets on the sea surface, in the air and on land. It tracks up to six targets simultaneously. Aselsan was also responsible for an integrated communication system providing both internal and external communication capabilities. It includes wideband radios, commercial SATCOM equipment, as well as secure open voice and data communications.
Havelsan supplied message handling systems, two HF transceivers, two LF/HF receivers, two Duplex HF Data modems, and two VHF/UHF transceivers with Have Quick II for integration of navigation, communications, C2 and weapons into boats combat system.
Yaltes provides the operator consoles and tactical bridge display units and the Kongsberk Maritime delivered the Simrad SP92 MkII hull-mounted multi-frequency sonar. It is designed for detection of weak and scattered targets, is capable of operating in 11 different frequencies, and has detection range of more than 3,000m
Raytheon’s surface search radar ensures safe navigation and detection of surface targets at close range. Other sensors include the IFF Mod4, a Ship Information Transmitting System (GBDS) and the TB-SH under water phone.
The ‘Tuzla’ class is powered by two Tognum MTU 16V 4000 M90 diesel engines with 7300hp, and two MTU diesel generators with total power of 520hp.The boats can remain on station for up to 14 days, and the on-board fuel capacity provides an operational range in excess of 2,000nm(3,700km) at 12 knots. Low noise level drive fixed-pitch propellers delivered by Otto Piening GmbH along twin shafts enable the boats a maximum design speed of 25 knots.
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Request for Jordanian Air defense systems
Sipri arms database data:
R: Jordan (100) Igla/SA-18 Portable SAM (2000) 2001 (100)
(1800) Igla-S/SA-24 Portable SAM 2007 2009-2012 (1800) For use with 182 Dzhigit launchers on light vehicles
R: Jordan (40) 9K33 Osa/SA-8 Mobile SAM system 1981 1982-1984 (40) Financed by Iraq as reward for Jordanian volunteer unit fighting against Iran
(1200) 9M33/SA-8 SAM 1981 1982-1983 (1200)
(200) Strela-2/SA-7 Portable SAM (1981) 1982-1983 (200) Financed by Iraq as reward for Jordanian volunteer unit helping Iraq in Iran-Iraq War
(40) ZSU-23-4 Shilka SPAAG 1981 1982-1983 (40) Financed by Iraq as reward for Jordanian volunteer unit fighting against Iran
(8) 9K33 Osa/SA-8 Mobile SAM system 1984 1986 (8)
(250) 9M33/SA-8 SAM 1984 1986 (250)
(100) Strela-2/SA-7 Portable SAM 1984 1986 (100)
(8) ZSU-23-4 Shilka SPAAG (1984) 1986 (8)
(200) Strela-3/SA-14 Portable SAM (1985) 1987 (200) Acquired after USA refused deal for Stinger portable SAM
(1250) Strela-10/SA-13 SAM (1986) 1986-1989 (1250)
(50) Strela-10/SA-13 Mobile SAM system (1986) 1986 (50) Possibly financed by Iraq as reward for Jordanian volunteer brigade helping Iraq in Iran-Iraq War
100 M-163 VADS SPAAG 1974 1978-1980 100 $87 m deal (financed by Saudi Arabia)
Looks like SA-8 about to go out of service.
http://www.janes.com/article/75246/jord ... l-osa-sams
The Jordan Armed Forces (JAF) is retiring its 9K33 Osa (SA-8 ‘Gecko’) mobile surface-to-air missile systems as part of its on-going reorganisation, a Jordanian military source has confirmed to Jane’s .
The JAF announced on its website in late September that it was offering 52 Osas for sale. The source said five countries and companies have expressed interest in purchasing the systems, including the Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine, and a US company. Both Poland and Ukraine are still Osa operators, but the Czechs retired theirs in 2006.
The JAF was considering contracting Belarus to upgrade its Osas, but decided to abandon the modernisation programme as it was unable to find the required money, the source said.
Picture below see SA-8 and Stela-10 on Trailers
Sipri arms database data:
R: Jordan (100) Igla/SA-18 Portable SAM (2000) 2001 (100)
(1800) Igla-S/SA-24 Portable SAM 2007 2009-2012 (1800) For use with 182 Dzhigit launchers on light vehicles
R: Jordan (40) 9K33 Osa/SA-8 Mobile SAM system 1981 1982-1984 (40) Financed by Iraq as reward for Jordanian volunteer unit fighting against Iran
(1200) 9M33/SA-8 SAM 1981 1982-1983 (1200)
(200) Strela-2/SA-7 Portable SAM (1981) 1982-1983 (200) Financed by Iraq as reward for Jordanian volunteer unit helping Iraq in Iran-Iraq War
(40) ZSU-23-4 Shilka SPAAG 1981 1982-1983 (40) Financed by Iraq as reward for Jordanian volunteer unit fighting against Iran
(8) 9K33 Osa/SA-8 Mobile SAM system 1984 1986 (8)
(250) 9M33/SA-8 SAM 1984 1986 (250)
(100) Strela-2/SA-7 Portable SAM 1984 1986 (100)
(8) ZSU-23-4 Shilka SPAAG (1984) 1986 (8)
(200) Strela-3/SA-14 Portable SAM (1985) 1987 (200) Acquired after USA refused deal for Stinger portable SAM
(1250) Strela-10/SA-13 SAM (1986) 1986-1989 (1250)
(50) Strela-10/SA-13 Mobile SAM system (1986) 1986 (50) Possibly financed by Iraq as reward for Jordanian volunteer brigade helping Iraq in Iran-Iraq War
100 M-163 VADS SPAAG 1974 1978-1980 100 $87 m deal (financed by Saudi Arabia)
Looks like SA-8 about to go out of service.
http://www.janes.com/article/75246/jord ... l-osa-sams
The Jordan Armed Forces (JAF) is retiring its 9K33 Osa (SA-8 ‘Gecko’) mobile surface-to-air missile systems as part of its on-going reorganisation, a Jordanian military source has confirmed to Jane’s .
The JAF announced on its website in late September that it was offering 52 Osas for sale. The source said five countries and companies have expressed interest in purchasing the systems, including the Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine, and a US company. Both Poland and Ukraine are still Osa operators, but the Czechs retired theirs in 2006.
The JAF was considering contracting Belarus to upgrade its Osas, but decided to abandon the modernisation programme as it was unable to find the required money, the source said.
Picture below see SA-8 and Stela-10 on Trailers
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?
Please add Turkish Ground Units
Leopard 1 Tanks (IOC 1983 have almost 400 total. Oddly enough 1A3 version still seem to be in service)
Leopard 2A4 Tanks (IOC 2006 400 in service)
M48 Tank (IOC 1974-1990)Lot of these
M60A1 (IOC 1993->2005 when converted to Sabra 3(M-60T)
M60A3 Tank (IOC 1993-Current)
M60AT Sabra Tank (IOC 2009->Current 170 Total)
Detail on Sabra deviations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_(tank)
Sabra Mk.II / M60T
Unlike the Mk.I which used a low-profile commander's cupola, the Mk.II retained the larger M60 Patton style M19 cupola with the M85 12.7 mm machine gun found on the M60s in Turkish service. This version would also include a Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV). The Mk.II also uses a more powerful MTU Friedrichshafen engine built under license in Turkey (MTU Turk A.S.), and a Renk transmission with four forward and two reverse gears. The Mk.II is also equipped with explosive reactive armor.[1] The tanks were upgraded by the Turkish military's 2nd Main Maintenance Center with Israeli cooperation. All the systems except the armor package were built under license with technology transfer in Turkey. Sabra can carry 500 litres of diesel fuel.
Mech Inf M-113A1 (1965->Current) Many
Mech Inf M-113A2 (1990->Current) Many
Mech Inf M113A3 T1/T2 (1995->)
Mot Inf BTR-80M (1993->Current)x500
203mm Mobile Artillery M110A2(1993->current)x200+
122mm T-122 Sakarya MRLS (1998->current) Very similar to BM-21. Looks like UAE uses so can add there as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-122_Sakarya
http://www.military-today.com/artillery ... akarya.htm
There are two packs of 122-mm launch tubes. Each pack contains 20 launch tubes. The launcher is hydraulically traversed and elevated. The T-122 Sakarya fires rockets indigenously developed and manufactured by MKEK and Roketsan. The system is also compatible with 122-mm rockets of the BM-21 Grad and similar systems. Rockets are fitted with HE-FRAG and cluster warheads. The last mentioned contains anti-personnel or anti-tank submunitions. Maximum range of fire with extended-range rockets is up to 40 km.
Panter 155 mm/52 calibre Towed Artillery(2002->Current)250 plus in service with 400 Planned. Pakistan uses too since 2009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panter_howitzer
M114 155mm Howitzer (1955->current) Standard NATO 155
M101 105mm Howitzer (1955->current) Standar NATO 105
AAA
AAA sec Rheinmetal 20mm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_Rh_202
SAM
FIM-43C Redeye Portable SAM (1985) 1985-1986
FIM-43C Redeye Portable SAM (1991) 1993-1994 (300) Second-hand; aid
FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 1991 1992 (469) $33 m deal (incl 150 launchers)
FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 1986 1993-2004 (4800) Part of 'European Stinger Production Programme'; from FRG production line; incl production of components in Turkey; FIM-92A and FIM-92C version
Turkish Inf (Amphibious Marine Brigade)
Turkish Spec Ops (1st Commando Brigade)
UAV
Bayraktar (IOC 2014->current with 38 in service)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayraktar_Tactical_UAS
IAI Heron (IOC 2005 with 10 in service)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Heron
Leopard 1 Tanks (IOC 1983 have almost 400 total. Oddly enough 1A3 version still seem to be in service)
Leopard 2A4 Tanks (IOC 2006 400 in service)
M48 Tank (IOC 1974-1990)Lot of these
M60A1 (IOC 1993->2005 when converted to Sabra 3(M-60T)
M60A3 Tank (IOC 1993-Current)
M60AT Sabra Tank (IOC 2009->Current 170 Total)
Detail on Sabra deviations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_(tank)
Sabra Mk.II / M60T
Unlike the Mk.I which used a low-profile commander's cupola, the Mk.II retained the larger M60 Patton style M19 cupola with the M85 12.7 mm machine gun found on the M60s in Turkish service. This version would also include a Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV). The Mk.II also uses a more powerful MTU Friedrichshafen engine built under license in Turkey (MTU Turk A.S.), and a Renk transmission with four forward and two reverse gears. The Mk.II is also equipped with explosive reactive armor.[1] The tanks were upgraded by the Turkish military's 2nd Main Maintenance Center with Israeli cooperation. All the systems except the armor package were built under license with technology transfer in Turkey. Sabra can carry 500 litres of diesel fuel.
Mech Inf M-113A1 (1965->Current) Many
Mech Inf M-113A2 (1990->Current) Many
Mech Inf M113A3 T1/T2 (1995->)
Mot Inf BTR-80M (1993->Current)x500
203mm Mobile Artillery M110A2(1993->current)x200+
122mm T-122 Sakarya MRLS (1998->current) Very similar to BM-21. Looks like UAE uses so can add there as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-122_Sakarya
http://www.military-today.com/artillery ... akarya.htm
There are two packs of 122-mm launch tubes. Each pack contains 20 launch tubes. The launcher is hydraulically traversed and elevated. The T-122 Sakarya fires rockets indigenously developed and manufactured by MKEK and Roketsan. The system is also compatible with 122-mm rockets of the BM-21 Grad and similar systems. Rockets are fitted with HE-FRAG and cluster warheads. The last mentioned contains anti-personnel or anti-tank submunitions. Maximum range of fire with extended-range rockets is up to 40 km.
Panter 155 mm/52 calibre Towed Artillery(2002->Current)250 plus in service with 400 Planned. Pakistan uses too since 2009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panter_howitzer
M114 155mm Howitzer (1955->current) Standard NATO 155
M101 105mm Howitzer (1955->current) Standar NATO 105
AAA
AAA sec Rheinmetal 20mm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_Rh_202
SAM
FIM-43C Redeye Portable SAM (1985) 1985-1986
FIM-43C Redeye Portable SAM (1991) 1993-1994 (300) Second-hand; aid
FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 1991 1992 (469) $33 m deal (incl 150 launchers)
FIM-92 Stinger Portable SAM 1986 1993-2004 (4800) Part of 'European Stinger Production Programme'; from FRG production line; incl production of components in Turkey; FIM-92A and FIM-92C version
Turkish Inf (Amphibious Marine Brigade)
Turkish Spec Ops (1st Commando Brigade)
UAV
Bayraktar (IOC 2014->current with 38 in service)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayraktar_Tactical_UAS
IAI Heron (IOC 2005 with 10 in service)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Heron
Don't call it a comeback...
RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?
Request to add the PLA naval aviation's H-6KH anti ship missile bomber, due to the reveal of the first real picture:
First image of the PLANAF H-6KH naval bomber.
Notice the H-6K in the background and its characteristic pointy nose (albeit covered), as well as at least two long YJ-12 compatible hardpoints visible on the wing.
Earlier official scale models released show that the PLANAF H-6KH is roughly similar with the PLAAF H-6K, except with additional wing and fuselage hardpoints and the capability to carry heavy AShMs.
From the model, we see the capability to carry up to six YJ-12 (3 per wing, just like the standard H-6K that could carry six CJ-10 ALCMs) and additional two ECM pods on the two new secondary hardpoints near the wingtip. One another hardpoint attached on the rear fuselage carries a datalink pod for the YJ-12s.
Photos of the official scale model:
http://military.china.com/jctp/11172988 ... tml#photos
Chinese military aviation blog reports:
First image of the PLANAF H-6KH naval bomber.
Notice the H-6K in the background and its characteristic pointy nose (albeit covered), as well as at least two long YJ-12 compatible hardpoints visible on the wing.
Earlier official scale models released show that the PLANAF H-6KH is roughly similar with the PLAAF H-6K, except with additional wing and fuselage hardpoints and the capability to carry heavy AShMs.
From the model, we see the capability to carry up to six YJ-12 (3 per wing, just like the standard H-6K that could carry six CJ-10 ALCMs) and additional two ECM pods on the two new secondary hardpoints near the wingtip. One another hardpoint attached on the rear fuselage carries a datalink pod for the YJ-12s.
Photos of the official scale model:
http://military.china.com/jctp/11172988 ... tml#photos
Chinese military aviation blog reports:
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogsp ... craft.htmlIt was rumored in February 2017 that an AShM carrier variant of H-6K (H-6KH?) is under development for PLAN. A prototype reportedly already flew in 2014. It is armed with up to 6 YJ-12 AShMs and expected to replace the old H-6G. A recent satellite image (May 2015) indicated that one H-6K (H-6KH?) was carrying additional ECM pods (KG600/800?) underneath the outer wings.
RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?
Based on this article, quoted in the link, is it possible to get an air-launched boost-phase interceptor?
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/ ... #msg322872
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/ ... #msg322872
RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues?
Request China - People's Armed Police (2018, post-reform) to be added in DB3000 as a proper military unit, not civil servants. PAP is right now administrated by CMC as President Xi mandated, exactly to be militarized.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/2 ... a3d4d.html
https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/has-xi- ... -military/
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/2 ... a3d4d.html
https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/has-xi- ... -military/
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
ORIGINAL: Dragon029
Thanks yourself! By the way, will you still have the GBU-39 on the [non-2025] F-35A? I feel that's one of its most useful loadouts and is very much confirmed to be a Block 3F loadout [there's even some footage here at 2:30 of it ripple-launching a pair of SDBs]
Yes, none of the loadouts on the 2025 variant have been deleted.
Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!