Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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ORIGINAL: Johan Grip
Offensive and defensive skill can be gained also but strategic rating cant and it is very important with the monthly turn rate.

It can be done differently: you can have Stenbock start at level 1* with a smaller strategic value (he now starts with a 4) and have it increased each time he gets promoted (to 5 or 6, he now has a 5)
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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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ORIGINAL: Johan Grip
Offensive and defensive skill can be gained also but strategic rating cant and it is very important with the monthly turn rate.

It can be done differently: you can have Stenbock start at level 1* with a smaller strategic value (he now starts with a 4) and have it increased each time he gets promoted (to 5 or 6, he now has a 5)

I am sure his strategic rating is fine as is, it was just a general comment on starting stats of generals and how they matter in the flow of the game.
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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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Just want to remind that the rating is dynamic according to rank. For example Stenbock is a general at Helsingborg and Gadebusch (rank 3). Early in the game he is a general major (rank 1).

Rank 3 General Stenbock
Strategic = 5
Offensive = 3
Defensive = 3
Ability0 = $abiSwedish-German
Ability1 = $abiCharismaticLeader
Ability2 = $abiStrategist
Ability3 = $abiMilitiaman

Rank 2 Lieutenant general Stenbock
Strategic = 5
Offensive = 2
Defensive = 2
Ability0 = $abiSwedish-German
Ability1 = $abiCharismaticLeader
Ability2 = $abiStrategist

Rank 1 Major general Stenbock
Strategic = 4
Offensive = 1
Defensive = 1
Ability0 = $abiSwedish-German
Ability1 = $abiCharismaticLeader

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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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Carl Gustaf Armfeldt was a competent Swedish general, but from the middle of the war. He was generaladjutant 1701. Promoted to major general 1711, commanding the army of Finland 1713. So his entry in the game should be later as it reflects the leadership problems Sweden had at the Finnish front, (Cronhjort and Lybecker).
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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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ORIGINAL: Maximates

Just want to remind that the rating is dynamic according to rank. For example Stenbock is a general at Helsingborg and Gadebusch (rank 3). Early in the game he is a general major (rank 1).

Rank 3 General Stenbock
Strategic = 5
Offensive = 3
Defensive = 3
Ability0 = $abiSwedish-German
Ability1 = $abiCharismaticLeader
Ability2 = $abiStrategist
Ability3 = $abiMilitiaman

Rank 2 Lieutenant general Stenbock
Strategic = 5
Offensive = 2
Defensive = 2
Ability0 = $abiSwedish-German
Ability1 = $abiCharismaticLeader
Ability2 = $abiStrategist

Rank 1 Major general Stenbock
Strategic = 4
Offensive = 1
Defensive = 1
Ability0 = $abiSwedish-German
Ability1 = $abiCharismaticLeader



Seems right, so there is no issue then.
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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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I just want to comment the comment about Banér and Spens and their competence. Both was Lieutenant generals in the early operations of the war. Johan Gabriel Banér as Generalissimus of the Holstein-Gottorp army. His defence of Tönningen shows a very skilled commander. Jacob Spens was one of the highest ranked cavalry officers early in the war. He had detachment command during the operations in Courland. Both commanders were about 40 years old when the war break out. Both had health problems and Spens retires 1704. Banér dies 1706, just after he had meet the King who wanted him to take a higher Swedish command.

About the competence of Stefan Löfven I agree [:D]
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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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Peter I gave an standing order for the cossacks to kill everyone fleeing from a battle regardless of rank, himself included.

Maybe ,

Hothead, "If the commander, won’t be able to order a retreat during the first two hours of the battle".

Would be even more fitting than,

Reckless, "If the commander, will have difficulty retreating on the first two hours of the battle".


Also he built an excellent intelligence service keeping in Russian tradition, IMO deserving this ability.

Master Spy, "If the commander, improves the detection of enemy Units (except Irregulars) within the Department".


edit.

It seems he gets something called "Strong_Discipline", what are the effects of this?

Attributes = #Siege_Master#
Ability0 = $abiCzar
Ability1 = $abiCharismaticLeader
Ability2 = $abiGood_Admin_Pop
Ability3 = $abiStrong_Discipline

Also I would not call him charismatic or good population administrator, feared and hated would be more accurate but maybe there is nothing more suitable with the needed effects.

He conducted a one man cultural revolution inside Russia with brutal force, great majority from the peasants to the nobility objected his policies.
Had he lost in Poltava it would have most likely started another rebellion and he very possibly could have not put it down as before.


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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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Possible to get Cornelius Anckarstjerna as an admiral for Sweden?

3-0-0 would do fine, some guy with a big wig for the picture, Philippe maybe? [:D]

Sweden has this thing called Mare Nostrum going and needs to keep several squadrons in different locations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Anckarstjerna
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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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ORIGINAL: Maximates

Carl Gustaf Armfeldt was a competent Swedish general, but from the middle of the war. He was generaladjutant 1701. Promoted to major general 1711, commanding the army of Finland 1713. So his entry in the game should be later as it reflects the leadership problems Sweden had at the Finnish front, (Cronhjort and Lybecker).

Stenbock also enters as an colonel in the game.

Placing a one star leader in command of a larger force will give you leadership problems even if you dont go over the CP limit.
I think the rank affects the frontage size he can deploy, could be a mute point in defense of Finland but anyways.

In any case Finland, Ingermanland, Estonia and Livonia where historically mismanaged, I dont think anyone in the game is going to do the same mistake.
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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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moot point*
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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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moot point*


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RE: Strange ratings for swedish commanders

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Heheh.
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