Saper (Axis) vs Tyrone (Soviet). (no Saper)

[timmyab]

Mild blizzard and +1 is much less tough on the Axis compared to full blizzard with no +1 in my opinion.

I think Saper may have lost a lot of divisions in the first blizzard once before (like 20+). Or maybe I'm remembering the wrong person?

Looks like the clock will beat you here. Tempting to keep pushing but therein lies the danger.

Well played to cash in on a serious error.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: timmyab

Mild blizzard and +1 is much less tough on the Axis compared to full blizzard with no +1 in my opinion.

I bet 1/2 or more of the last turns attacks were successful because of the +1

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: timmyab



I think Saper may have lost a lot of divisions in the first blizzard once before (like 20+). Or maybe I'm remembering the wrong person?

You remember correctly. I believe the game you are remembering was Sapper vs Callistrad

[timmyab]

No Saper v Kamil. Maybe there's more

Here's the link. Losses are listed in post 310. 10 divs 55 regiments. So over 25 divisions worth.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3079195&mpage=11&key=

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: timmyab

No Saper v Kamil. Maybe there's more

Here's the link. Losses are listed in post 310. 10 divs 55 regiments. So over 25 divisions worth.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3079195&mpage=11&key=

Sapper did the same thing vs Callistrid too . Seems to be his MO (Modus operandi)

tm.asp?m=3690306&mpage=4&key=

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

ORIGINAL: timmyab

No Saper v Kamil. Maybe there's more

Here's the link. Losses are listed in post 310. 10 divs 55 regiments. So over 25 divisions worth.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3079195&mpage=11&key=

Sapper did the same thing vs Callistrid too . Seems to be his MO (Modus operandi)

tm.asp?m=3690306&mpage=4&key=

Not in the winter but close if you look at turn 9ish then look at the last page on what he did. That is why I said 2-4 turns I would start looking out for Sapper. His M.O.(Modus operandi) has been this tactic.

[timmyab]

Rather a timely lesson to be had from both those games. He came back in both to win from horrible disasters so beware Tyronec.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: timmyab

Rather a timely lesson to be had from both those games. He came back in both to win from horrible disasters so beware Tyronec.

My sentiments exactly.

[chaos45]

ehh the game you posted a link to ended before the first winter.....big difference between that and a successful Soviet Winter offensive that removed about an Army of German combat power.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: chaos45

ehh the game you posted a link to ended before the first winter.....big difference between that and a successful Soviet Winter offensive that removed about an Army of German combat power.

Did you look at turn 9 of that link?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

ORIGINAL: chaos45

ehh the game you posted a link to ended before the first winter.....big difference between that and a successful Soviet Winter offensive that removed about an Army of German combat power.

Did you look at turn 9 of that link?

Since the early Soviet offensive happened on turn 9+. I say it is the same but each has their own opinion.

[STEF78]

Doubtful if Sapper can recover from such a blizzard campaign...

You're on the right way!

[tyronec]

T35.

4 cavalry divisions promoted to guards.
Germans have done a lot of attacks, lost some but 31 wins for them. I threw some tank brigades forward last turn to take ground but have given them a lot of easy wins to get their morale up. Will be more conservative from now on.
Am looking at losing 4 cavalry divisions and 3 corps from being over extended, however while Axis are making efforts to trap units they are weaker elsewhere.
Also cost them 11k for 13k in losses.

Still manage 36 wins during soviet phase - 16k for 27k, but a lot of the Axis were Romanians.
Some way from cutting off Pskov or Stalino due to the Axis counter attacks. There is a 3 hex wide corridor out of Stalino, if they don't leave next turn they must be at risk.

A couple of odd combat result screens, though they both had the correct outcomes with Romanian infantry units shattered.

[tyronec]

Interesting links to old games. Here's one I was studying to work out my Soviet strategy before the start:
tm.asp?m=3865677&mpage=5&key=
tm.asp?m=3871507&mpage=1&key=

[tyronec]

T36.

Being more cautious has reduced Axis wins to 8 in their phase, though they eliminate my cavalry as expected.
Soviets get 33 wins for the turn. Ground losses: 14k for 24k.

Partisans strike and cut off Moscow, they have been on one rail line for some time.

Leningrad. Abandon the attack on Pskov and begin to pull back.
NWestern. Just miss winning an attack which would have got a cavalry corps onto the rail line West of Smolensk. Axis may still be at risk next turn as they cannot rail troops back from Moscow with the broken rail line.
Moscow area. A few attacks, situation is chaotic and not sure which side will have the edge during the snow turns in March.
South of Smolensk I probe further West with a few cavalry divisions.
Try a lot of fighter sweeps around Moscow which costs me 200 planes for almost nothing, just maybe if the Luftwaffe are still there next turn they could be short of fuel.

SWestern/Southern. The pincers close and Stalino is isolated, some 40 divisions. Axis can easily reopen next turn but they will need more reserves to keep it open during March, so am trying to keep up the pressure further West. Rail line to the Crimea also cut.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Just WoW. While he is on ropes might as well hit some more ;-P

Great playing Tyronec.

[timmyab]

OMG nailbiting stuff. Saper went to the Adolf Hitler school of defensive strategy [:D]

[AFV]

I have been watching this AAR intently. Frankly, I am really confused. I am told Sapper is a really tough opponent- yet- what I see is- crazyness. Is that just me? You are literally miles away from destroying 50% of his entire army- and it does not have to be that way. Its truly like Hitler has come back to life to command his armies and there will be NO RETREATING, period.

Not to mention the gap he left in his line. If he is a great player, and I am told he is, there was a plan regarding that- perhaps it was to get you to burn up all your trucks- I am not sure but I would really like to know what his intention on that was.

[tyronec]

T37.

Last turn of blizzard.

Leningrad. Pulling back.
NWestern. Have another attack which just fails and again I miss cutting the Moscow rail line.
Moscow area. Am continuing to attack where I can, will rail 2 armies from Pskov to north of Rzhev next turn. Rail line is still cut from partisans. Luftwaffe had pulled back so no air base bombing as hoped.

Stalino pocket. Was opened as expected, middle screen shot shows part way through my move. Saper had split many of his divisions down so I couldn't do any herding. Was able to close the Western end of the throat and then rout another few stacks. The results were impressive - the units would retreat all the way to Stalino, suffering attrition, and then rout.
Am hoping he won't be able to reopen the pocket next turn but wouldn't be surprised if he does. Have the better part of 4 armies of mostly guards infantry moving up to the north and south of the pocket.

Will aim to continue to attack through the snow around Moscow and Stalino.

[tyronec]

T38 after recon.

Moscow area. Need a two hex advance to inhibit the Moscow railway.
Stalino area. Pocket has been broken and a lot of my units routed. Will aim to shift the 17 and 23 stacks and fill up the gap with guards infantry.