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[Neogodhobo]

ORIGINAL: Mamluke

average rifle division: 70% ToE
average rifle brigade: 70% ToE
average Cavalry division: 80% ToE
average tank Brigades: 70% ToE

only the really good units can keep full ToE, the naval brigades for exe, can have 90%

needless to say, I would like to apply this to the north as well of course on my own front.

Still need the Supreme Commanders blessing of course.

TOE will be executed in that manner. Seeing as how Mamluke seems to be the most experienced players. We will go with his wisdom on this. Dont fail us Marshall.

[Mamluke]

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

-Some reinforcement arrived in Rostov.
-Nothing arrived in Central.
-Nothing in Northern.
Hold on guys, I want to send reinforcement as quick as possible, just as much as you want to receive them. Central Front wont receive anymore reinforcement.

Marshall Darojax can expect all Rifle Divisions and Cavalry division currently on the rear lines to be going to his front. All Tank brigade are going to be sent to the South.

Marshall Doctorking can finally expect his long awaited reinforcement starting next turn. Over the course of a few weeks, 23 rifle division will start making their way to the Northern Front, along with some various other units ( including naval infantry ).

Marshall Mamluke Save as much as you can from that hellish pocket situation. Escape from Voronezh, to Tamboy if need be, at least there is some friendly units there that will be able to help you out, and then you can make your way back to the South by way of Saratov, and defend along the river. TOP SECRET information will be given to you by PM regarding an offensive measure. Your reinforcement will arrive as planned ( around the 16th October )

Also, keep in mind that if you can liberate the rail, we could transport all your pocketed division out by rail as an extreme emergency measure. We really need those divisions to survive if we want to hold the South.

Good Luck Generals. Supcom turn done.

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

ORIGINAL: Mamluke

average rifle division: 70% ToE
average rifle brigade: 70% ToE
average Cavalry division: 80% ToE
average tank Brigades: 70% ToE

only the really good units can keep full ToE, the naval brigades for exe, can have 90%

needless to say, I would like to apply this to the north as well of course on my own front.

Still need the Supreme Commanders blessing of course.

TOE will be executed in that manner. Seeing as how Mamluke seems to be the most experienced players. We will go with his wisdom on this. Dont fail us Marshall.

thank you for the vote of confidence! and I bring good news already! remember when I said about needing the panzers to get low fuel? well, no fuel, no problem.



the Northern pincer is however more problematic, I can still get lucky, however, to have a chance at securing a safe corridor to the east. I request these 4 units from Central front. the cavalry division, and the 3 infantry brigades.



with the south pincer contained, I might have a shot at this! I will use those 4 units as speed bumps, hopefully, they shouldn't have much fuel left.

would also like to mention, in order to secure our path of retreat, I attacked the cav division from inside the pocket.



and we might just get really lucky!!
according to weather reports, next turn can be mud in central Soviet zone!, now it mostly benefits me, since the rest of the front line is in the Northern Soviet zone. however,
ii can contain the southern pincer for good, dramatically reduce supply and buy Rostov one more turn of digging.
I also position troops in a way to most inconvenience the Southern pincer.

also, just to be clear, when the enemy converts an hex, it automatically damages the rail. and can't rail troops when in contact with the enemy either.
regardless, I will do my best.

[Neogodhobo]

Very good work on the pockets, Im impressed !!

And yes, borrow those divisions. Il allow it so you can finish your turn.

[Mamluke]

turn is done, already did the air thing too, this is probably the last time I will need to air supply Moscow, Central commander can move the airbases as he wishes.

also evacuated Ivanovo, Rebisk and Tambov, these areas can now be ignore by Central commander. protecting the Volga is important, I recommend you put at least 2 good division and 1 below average in Yaroslavl to protect it from direct assault.
I much as I hate to admit, there is still some turns until mud and there is too many panzers at the area, the Outer Ring of Yaroslavl is no longer realistic, protecting the city is what counts.

speaking of which, there can be mud in central Soviet zone! if it actually happens, I swear in the name of Lenin, I will read the Communist Manifesto!

[Neogodhobo]

Alright, so an all out retreat to the Volga is in order then ? Some troops directly in front, some troop directly behind ? Its up to you Central Commander how you want to plan this out, but do not lose the Volga River ! But use deep defense strategy.

[Mamluke]

should have been more clear, if its possible to put some units in front of Yaroslavl and still have strength to prevent a crossing. then would be swell, but the supply situation for the Germans is not as bad as I thought... and of course one can not forget that 4th panzer group is out there.

my initial plan just became more simpler, the red ring outside the city is the only objective that is worth pursuing and prevent the city from being taken either by encirclement or direct assault, defensive CV of 70 to 90 should be the minimum, the more the merrier.

[Darojax]

Center done.

Not enough capacity for a worth-while defensive ring around Yaroslavl, although the city is still defended (CV 60). Also not enough capacity for any kind of depth defense in regards to the Volga line (except West of Gorky).

Supreme Commander, despite your orders of the new defensive line, with the collapse of the Southern Front I regret to inform that Tambov is undefendable, and the southern Volga front is looking very vulnerable. Most likely will have to adjust the defensive line (red line on image).

Should we continue defending Rostov (and Voroshilovgrad)? Those troops wont last on their own and perhaps it would be better to have them move East and North at best speed to extend the southern Volga front. There is still time if we want to do this. If we wait they could become cut off entirely.

I would suggest diverting most northern reinforcements to the south instead where the situation is highly critical. The North Front can fall back considerably without losing more than just ground, no critical cities there that we need defending at the moment. There is also alot of forest and heavy forest excellent for defense.

o7 Sir.

[Neogodhobo]

"Also not enough capacity for any kind of depth defense in regards to the Volga line"

Now the turn is done, Il go back a save and show you what I meant by deep defense.





And so as a whole, it would look something like this :

[Neogodhobo]

Im afraid your defensive line is too weak and the Germans are just going to smash trough.

[Darojax]

Sir, I hate to argue, but a depth defense such as that is not going to last a turn. Our units per individual basis are quite weak and the defensive CV of the units being spread out in that manner means the fascist panzer corps will be able to smash through them all in one turn alone, with little effort. For example in the north part of Center Front alone there are 5 panzer divisions in close proximity ready to strike.

At least like this we are giving our men one more week to build fortifications, while also allowing them to build strength. Perhaps next week there will be enough CV to make a 2nd defensive line behind the Volga.

[Neogodhobo]

Alright... Well...you are more experienced than me so... Il have to believe you.


note to self... Darojax argues my orders...again... - Stalin

[Darojax]

Sir, Stalin, sir. I'll gladly take more micromanagial orders from yourself. I've moved our troops in accordance what I believe will be most beneficial, but had you shown me exactly how you wanted the defensive line I would gladly have arranged them accordingly. It's just that now it was too late anyhow and I wanted to motivate the decision.

Should I pack my bags for the Gulag sir?

[Neogodhobo]

The gulag can wait Marshall, but I swear, one of these days....pif paf, straight to the gulags.

(was not sure if the reference was going to get understood so I included a clip) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwopPDl3Oo

[Mamluke]

ORIGINAL: Darojax

Center done.

Not enough capacity for a worth-while defensive ring around Yaroslavl, although the city is still defended (CV 60). Also not enough capacity for any kind of depth defense in regards to the Volga line (except West of Gorky).

Supreme Commander, despite your orders of the new defensive line, with the collapse of the Southern Front I regret to inform that Tambov is undefendable, and the southern Volga front is looking very vulnerable. Most likely will have to adjust the defensive line (red line on image).

Should we continue defending Rostov (and Voroshilovgrad)? Those troops wont last on their own and perhaps it would be better to have them move East and North at best speed to extend the southern Volga front. There is still time if we want to do this. If we wait they could become cut off entirely.

I would suggest diverting most northern reinforcements to the south instead where the situation is highly critical. The North Front can fall back considerably without losing more than just ground, no critical cities there that we need defending at the moment. There is also alot of forest and heavy forest excellent for defense.

o7 Sir.

I strongly disagree comrade Darojax, Rostov has the Don river behind it, now that I have sufficient troops I can fortify it, I'm also defending Voroshilovgrad because of its Industry,
3 Armaments and 4 Heavy Industry! I'm not just going to hand that over to the Germans for free considering I have the river and much space from the nearest enemy unit.
Rostov also has Immense Industry! 15 Armaments and 4 Heavy Industry, since it is a Light urban hex, It can be easily defended. it already has a level 2 fort, and 4 more turns I can get level 3.
the reason I'm confident with the Strategy is because the Axis committed their mobile units to the Voronezh pocket, it will take 2 turns of redeployment to threaten Rostov.
and I'm also counting on the mud! it will pretty much freeze my entire front (frankly I deserve a freaking break as well), why should I give up such an advantage for little risk? the Axis has only a couple of Infantry, some Romanian to attack against my forces in the south.

[Mamluke]

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

"Also not enough capacity for any kind of depth defense in regards to the Volga line"

Now the turn is done, Il go back a save and show you what I meant by deep defense.





And so as a whole, it would look something like this :

while the defense in depth is the better way to stop German mobility. the situation in the north is different, if our units at the Volga are to weak, its possible an hasty attack from a panzer could break it! (unlikely because of high disruption for mechanize units, but it is possible!) if that is the case, the German panzers and Motorize would only need 15 MP for an hasty attack instead of the 28 MP needed for an full on attack.
and if the Germans can get just one Mot or panzer north of the Volga, we are NOT pushing it back.
and this way, Comrade Dorajax troops can build level 1 forts in time for the Volga! further securing the river line.

Comrade Dorajax, 60 defensive CV will have to do, I've counted the construction value of the divisions, its enough to build a level 1 fort in one turn.
did you guys know that Forts are build during the enemy logistics phase?

[Darojax]

Very well. The frontline between Center and South fronts is now as good as gone, that was my chief concern.


Regarding the in-depth defence:

Having an all-round-weak in-depth defense with CV between 1-6 would MAYBE buy us another week, if we are lucky. However, I think you are underestimating the enemy if you think a 3 unit deep wall of very low resistance will do much. It will be one hasty attack victory after another for them, no difficulties.

Regardless, ponder we did that, at what cost? It would draw away manpower from and considerably weaken the Volga defensive line, which would now increase its fortification level slower towards level 1. We would also permanently lose a lot of men and units, not only because of casualties from battles (all losses for sure), but also because many more of our units would likely be encircled, isolated and destroyed, something we were told must not happen!


Let's be frank and realistic here gentlemen. There is no way to stop the enemy from crossing at any point along the Volga considering our current manpower and the strength of the enemy, regardless of what strategy we use, it would be folly to believe otherwise. Our concerns on the frontline at this stage are to stall the enemy while not losing more men and units to encirclements, while surviving until the Rasputitsa. This is what I've strived for.

[Darojax]

That all being said, if Supreme Command orders me to do things in a specific way I will of course do it. I just wasn't aware how badly you wanted the in-depth defense. Had I known, I would have moved the units accordingly. At the point where I realized how important you felt this strategy to be I had already made my turn. I would re-do it if I did not know it is against the rules.

[Mamluke]

ORIGINAL: Darojax

Very well. The frontline between Center and South fronts is now as good as gone, that was my chief concern.


Regarding the in-depth defence:

Having an all round weak in-depth defense with CV between 1-6 would MAYBE buy us another week, if we are lucky. However, I think you are underestimating the enemy if you think a 3 unit deep wall of very low resistance will do much. It will be one hasty attack victory after another for them, no difficulties.

Regardless, ponder we did that, at what cost? It would draw away manpower from and considerably weaken the Volga defensive line, which would now increase its fortification level slower towards level 1. We would also permanently lose a lot of men and units, not only because of casualties from battles (all losses for sure), but also because many more of our units would likely be encircled, isolated and destroyed, something we were told must not happen!


Let's be frank and realistic here gentlemen. There is no way to stop the enemy at Volga considering our current manpower and the strength of the enemy, regardless of what strategy we use, it would be folly to believe otherwise. Our concerns on the frontline at this stage are to stall the enemy while not losing more men and units to encirclements, while surviving until the Rasputitsa. This is what I've strived for.

I do think we can stop then at the Volga line, if only because the Rasputitsa is coming soon and they might lack the MPs to do an attack,
and you shouldn't underestimate Light Urban Hexes.

regardless your Lines look good and flexible, and the North Volga line is strong enough.

[Neogodhobo]

ORIGINAL: Darojax
Let's be frank and realistic here gentlemen. There is no way to stop the enemy

What is this DEFEATISM !! WE WILL HOLD THE LINE MARSHALL !! [:@]


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hhhm but yeah, alright, I had ideas of grandeur wanting to hold the Volga. I really fear what it will mean to try to take it back. For the winter offensive, I really want to get to Moscow at the very least.


Anyway as I mention before. During the defensive part, Marshalls can apply their own judgement and strategy. Its more during the offensive where I will take a bigger step into controlling whats happening.

[Mamluke]

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

ORIGINAL: Mamluke

average rifle division: 70% ToE
average rifle brigade: 70% ToE
average Cavalry division: 80% ToE
average tank Brigades: 70% ToE

only the really good units can keep full ToE, the naval brigades for exe, can have 90%

needless to say, I would like to apply this to the north as well of course on my own front.

Still need the Supreme Commanders blessing of course.

TOE will be executed in that manner. Seeing as how Mamluke seems to be the most experienced players. We will go with his wisdom on this. Dont fail us Marshall.

just to confirm, will Supreme leader be the one to change ToE of the entire Red army, or are you giving me permission to do it my self?