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[orca]

Would you consider adding a hypothetical CATOBAR variant Queen Elizabeth class?

[Hongjian]

J-10B with KD-88 ImIR/TV-guided AGM, first time confirmed!

Oh, actually there is some discussion about this missile. It's quite a bit too small for a KD-88 and lacks the air-intake (which is always present, even on mockups/training rounds). The KD-88 is some 6 meter missile, while the PL-12 is 4 meters. But in the photo both look same length.

This could be a new solid rocket powered AGM. Maybe based on thew YJ-9 body, which could really be the sino-Brimstone that we watchers demanded for years. Very mysterious indeed.

In any case, this is definitely an air-to-ground weapon that is optically guided (ImIR, based on the white seeker head - as usual for Chinese AGMs with similiar seekers).

[orca]

Can the 9M96E and 9M96E2 missiles be made able to be quad packed?

See link with picture below.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Tr ... ocId125551

ORIGINAL: Triode

[UPDATED DB v440]

About "Poliment-Redoute" [3K96] system (in database Poliment-K AESA radar + SA-N-21c Growler VLS ) and 9m96 missiles "family"

Here is "Almaz-Antey" annual reports:

http://www.almaz-antey.ru/_files/13/371/ 2010 annual report Page 59
http://www.almaz-antey.ru/_files/13/1033/ 2011 annual report Page 95
http://www.almaz-antey.ru/_files/13/1817/ 2013 annual report Page 96

Version of system

So, according to "Almaz-Antey" annual report 2013
citation:
"On the head of the project 22350 frigate delivered prototype
3K96-2 products."

also Amur shipyard (they currently build 2 project20380) procurement of 3K96-3:
http://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/publ ... hodType=ep

From GSKB Raspletin report in 2012:
"Product development 3K96-2 (Poliment-Redoute)

- Manufactured prototypes of devices 3P96-2 products for preliminary bench tests; (3P96-2 = Poliment-K AESA in database)
- Preliminary testing devices 3P96-2 products;
- Prepared and conducted preliminary bench testing products and 3P96-2 3SCH96-2;
- Fabricated experimental units and prototypes of devices and products 3SCH97.2-2 3SCH97.2-2 products in general, conducted the IT;
- design documentation products designed 3I97 for Project 22350;
- Manufactured and delivered the prototype product 3I97;
- Initiated joint testing of the product with the product 3K96-3 9M96 under preliminary testing of the complex."

In the first issue for 2013 of the corporate newspaper "Strela", published by the "Head System Design Bureau Concern PVO" Almaz - Antey "Academician AA Raspletin" (GSKB):
http://www.raspletin.ru/press-centre/2013/01-13.pdf
"On the theme 3K96 in 2012 made ​​a significant amount of work which allows to speak with confidence about the completion of the 2013 trial izd. 3K96-3 on ships 20380 and delivery samples of the products of the Navy, as well as to conduct preliminary bench test sample shipments izd. 3K96-2 on the lead ship of Project 22350, its installation and testing."

Results of work Centre MNIIRE "Altair" (information from a deleted from the site "Almaz-Antey" "annual report GSKB Concern PVO" Almaz-Antey "in 2011. Part 2"):
"Among the works included in GWP-2015, in 2011 the works on R & D 3K96 ["Poliment-Redoute"] within which is being developed modular construction of naval air defense system 3rd generation. Created under R & D 3K96 system 3K96-2 and 3K96-3 are designed for installation on ships under construction perspective projects 22350 and 20380."

So there is two variants of system: 3K96-2 "Redoute with Poliment" for 22350 and 3K96-3 "Redoute without Poliment" for 20380

Missiles


from àrticle "Ship complex air defense 3K96 "Redoute":

"During the briefing, which took place in the framework of the MAKS-2013, CEO of Concern PVO "Almaz-Antey" noted that the test of a new air defense system were interrupted in 2012 because of a fire on SKR "Soobrazitelny" (20380). This year, the ship arrived after repairs to resume trial SAM. He also said that on the head of the project 22350 frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" test "Redoute" will begin no earlier than 2014, upon the readiness of the ship. In this set of missiles 9M96, 9M96D 9M100 and ready for testing."
http://vpk.name/news/98961_korabelnyii_ ... redut.html

from "Almaz-Antey" annual report 2010 :
"ongoing testing component
parts ZRAS "Poliment-Redoute" ground testing products 9M96
conducted manufacturing of products 9M96D and 9M100;"

from "Almaz-Antey" annual report 2011 :
"As part of the izd. 3K96 delivered prototype SAM "Redoubt"
on the first serial "corvette" 20380, initiated joint
Flight tests of ship management and izd 9M96,
completed preliminary tests of the main constituents
ZRAS "poliment-Redoute", its elements are placed on the head
"Frigate" project 22350.
A pilot batch izd 9M96D, initiated autonomous
flight tests in a ground polygon, constructed and
Preliminary testing of the main parts
izd 9M100."

So for 3K96 there is three missiles:

1)9M96/9M96E
exists in datatabase with wrong range of 30nm
should have 40 km (22nm)
from MAKS-2013 9M96E,9M96E2 and 48n6E characteristics
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/kartinki/9M9 ... 003_05.jpg

2)9M96D/9M96E2
9M96E2 range 120 km (75mile) speed 1,000 m/s max target altitude 30 km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_%28missile%29 from missiles specifications
from MAKS-2013 9M96E,9M96E2 and 48n6E characteristics
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/kartinki/9M9 ... 003_05.jpg
9M96E,9M96E2 and 48n6E in dimensions
http://obiekt.up.seesaa.net/image/9M96E_9M96E2.jpg

and befor we move to next missiles, 9M96E and 9M96E2 have unified ARH head and we know the diameters of missiles 240mm so ARS cant be bigger
than about 200mm there is only two ARS can fit this criteria
all soviet/russian ARS for anti-air missiles made in NII "Agat" so it can be 9B1103M (Lock-on range, (target RCS - 5 m2), km 20) or 9B1103M-200 (Lock-on range, (target RCS - 5 m2), km 25)
citation from ""AGAT" teaches to fly missiles":
"One of the latest achievements of the institute is to create a family seeker 9B-1103M for missiles caliber from 150 to 400 mm, the characteristics of which are not inferior to the most advanced foreign counterparts. These ARS standardized for use in anti-aircraft and in aircraft missiles."
most likely it is 9B1103M-200, 9B1103M created in 1993 for R-27 and 9B1103M-200 created in 2001
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Legacy-SAM-Upgrades.html Agat Active Radar Seekers for SAM Upgrades
of course it can be some supersecret ARS about which no one heard nothing but it is really doubtful since 9M96E and 9M96E2 aproved for export


3)9M100
short range missile (10-12 km) fast (some sources claim 900m/s max speed) IR head
little information about this missile,as there was no permission to export and no promotional information
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attach ... 1288567606

VLS

Here is patent for VLS by "KBSM"
http://www.findpatent.ru/img_show/901/9019355.html
http://www.findpatent.ru/img_show/9019356.html
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/237/2374591.html

as you can see in 1 cell can fit 1 big missile (9M96/9M96E,9M96D/9M96E2) or 4 small missiles (9M100)


And last thing is Vityaz (#2089 - SAM Bn (SA-25 [S-350 Vityaz]) -- Russia [1992-] (Air Force), 2017, 8x TEL in database)
here is photo from MAKS-2013
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/380 ... iginal.jpg
citation:
"composition
battle management post 50K6E
Multifunction radars 50N6E (up to 2)
launcher 50P6E (up to 8) with 12 SAM medium range 9M96E2"


so missile for Vityaz is 9M96E2
there is no "Poliment-K AESA" but 3P96-2
there is no SA-N-21c Growler VLS
Redoute VLS can use 9M96/9M96E,9M96D/9M96E2 or 9M100(4 in 1 cell)
Also 9M96/9M96E range is 40km(22nm) not 30nm

Could you please make the necessary changes to the database?

[KranS]

I found an issue

The UK's F-35B have a mounted GAU-22.
F-35B carry GAU-22 with gun pods.

[KC45]

About Japanese Self Defence force stuff
JASDF's UH-60J have some advanced variant, from 2005. It called UH-60J(SP), SP stands for self protection so They got more chance to survive for CSAR mission. It add J/APR-7(Radar Warning Receiver) and AN/AAR-60(V)(Missile Approach Warning System),and chaff/Flare system. Also FLIR Talon system.

And From 2009 they got Probe-and-drogue type AAR system. So for AAR mission They got KC-130H which remodeling from JASDF's C-130H.

Also SH-60K should have AN/AAR-60(V) (MAWS) but at a database there are none so can you add?

[Rory Noonan]

ORIGINAL: KC45

About Japanese Self Defence force stuff
JASDF's UH-60J have some advanced variant, from 2005. It called UH-60J(SP), SP stands for self protection so They got more chance to survive for CSAR mission. It add J/APR-7(Radar Warning Receiver) and AN/AAR-60(V)(Missile Approach Warning System),and chaff/Flare system. Also FLIR Talon system.

And From 2009 they got Probe-and-drogue type AAR system. So for AAR mission They got KC-130H which remodeling from JASDF's C-130H.

Also SH-60K should have AN/AAR-60(V) (MAWS) but at a database there are none so can you add?

References for any of this?

[KC45]

I found pictures and a homepage explains them but I can't place them here. But I think it's not hard to find a picture of JASDF'S KC-130H and UH-60J doing AAR mission. if you can plz tell me how to post URL or picture at here.
thanks

[Rory Noonan]

No problem, if you can PM me the sources I'll add it to the list.

[Vulcan607]

Stinger post database entry is for the Hawk SAM

[Rory Noonan]

Hey Vulcan607,

The DB description and images are a third party project. Post corrections here: tm.asp?m=3441939&mpage=14

[Vulcan607]

Ok Thanks

[ExNusquam]

Chair Back B (DB Sensor ID 386) is missing the FC/Illumination property. It should be basically a straight copy of the Chair Back A to support the battalion LLVs.

Source (Low-Quality/in Russian)

[CrazyIvan101]

Could you add encapsulated AIM-9X's for US submarines? It has likely been in service since 2009 and a single missile fits in a standard missile tube or VPM missile tube.
SOURCES
https://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabil ... ayload.pdf
http://investor.raytheon.com/phoenix.zh ... &ID=813037
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/roto ... demos-sub/

Ohio class SSGN's and Virginia class SSN's equiped with VPM's can apparently carry 3 conventional hypersonic weapons, 14 MALD's, or 7 torpedos per VPM

SOURCES

VPM: https://imgur.com/a/5zbiuME

MALD/Proof of Sub launched MALD: https://www.ejayfiltration.com/mald-pro ... nch-decoy/

Conventional Hypersonic submarine launched weapon: https://news.usni.org/2017/11/03/navy-c ... ss-boomers

[Dysta]

Twelve JL-10 (export name L-15) has been handed over to PLANAF recently. They aren't combat aircraft so they should be immediately serviceable. I think they are the same as #4259 because there aren't any confirmed weapon loadout yet:

https://twitter.com/dafengcao/status/10 ... 1330540544

[anlgzl]

Thanks for adding these units to DB

Turkey
Added Anka-I SIGINT UAV for Turkey
Added Bayraktar Tactical UAS for Turkey
Added Bayraktar TB2 UCAV for Turkey

Will you add CH-47F CHINOOK to Turkey ?

[Hongjian]

China launches their KH-11 equivalent, joining the exclusive club made of only the USA to date.

https://satelliteobservation.net/2018/0 ... n-chinese/

Knowing the stage has a diameter of 2.9m, and is almost completely parallel to the virtual camera, the diameter of the satellite’s aperture can be estimated at 1.7m. That means it carries a big mirror: the largest mirror carried by a commercial Earth Observation satellite is Worldview 3 & 4 ‘s 1.1m mirror, manufactured in the USA by ITT Exelis. For non-commercial satellites, the French have published images of their Helios 2 spy satellites, suggesting they have a 1.4m mirror. GF-1 beats them all, and is in fact only outclassed in its category of an optical imaging satellite by two US products:

– the Hubble Space Telescope, which has a 2.4m mirror working at optical wavelengths

– the KENNEN optical spy satellites, generally known under the KH-11 designation, which are rumoured to have a similar mirror size to Hubble. This is supported by the fact that the National Reconnaissance Office gifted two 2.4m optical mirrors it no longer had use for to NASA, which plans to use it for its WFIRST observatory. Additionally, people who have seen high-resolution images of these satellites have described them as “stubby Hubbles“.

So China seems to have accomplished a great leap forward in space optics. As GF-11 is positioned on a 470km circular 247x693km elliptical orbit, a 1.7m mirror would give it a ground resolution of 8 to 10cm at perigee, at around 10AM local solar time and at 20°N, right over India and the South China Sea. At the average altitude of 470km, the resolution is still 15 to 20cm, surpassing all commercial satellites and most reconnaissance satellites. This propels China into the select club of countries that can acquire NIIRS 8-9 satellite imagery, meaning the resolution is high enough to identify small hand-held weapons. Presumably the only members of this club are the US and now China, and that will continue to be the case in the foreseeable future, with maybe Russia joining them later if the Razdan program fulfills its promises.

[orca]

Japan launch first ship of new destroyer class

Maya 27DDG-class:

commissioning 2021
larger variant of Atago class, 8200t std, 10250t full, 170m
propulsion COGLAG (improved fuel efficiency)
similar to Burke IIa with AN/SPR-9B, SM-3IIA, SM-6, CEC



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya-class_destroyer

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/ ... yer-class/
https://navaltoday.com/2018/07/31/japan ... destroyer/

[DrRansom]

From the update thread:

The DARPA Tactical Boost Glide has been formalized into a USAF program named AGM-183A ARRW, Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon. This is in addition to the HCSW, Hypersonic Conventional Strike Weapon. That leaves the DARPA funded HAWC, Hypersonic Airbreathing Weapons Concept, as an unresolved program. Though, based on the TBG --> ARRW, one suspects that HAWC --> HCSW happened.

Link: http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2 ... tract.aspx

Then there is the Conventional Prompt Global Strike which has been tested for US SSBN use.

Last point of further confusion: HCSW and ARRW may be both boost glide weapons, but with different sizes.

[Dragon029]

I noticed in the latest update that the F-35s have things like "2017, Block 3F, 7G Clearance" and "2025, 6x AMRAAM, Block 3I/4, 9G Clearance", with agility being 4.5 for all F-35 entries up until those "9G Clearance" entries (which are 5.0 for agility).

So firstly, Block 3i was the predecessor to Block 3F (3i = Block 3 initial, 3F = Block 3 Final); Block 3i was first delivered to operational squadrons in 2016, allowing USAF IOC of the F-35A in August 2016. Then, in February 2018, Block 3F was released. Block 3F also saw the F-35B's G limit lifted from 5.5G to 7G. The F-35C's G limit was already at its design max of 7.5G by Block 2B, but the F-35C won't be operational with the Navy until early 2019 anyway.

Then as for flight envelopes, Block 2B / 3i gave the F-35A a 7G flight envelope, Block 3F (again, released in February 2018) gives the F-35A a 9G flight envelope:



Block 4 is a bit messy, as the F-35 program is moving from big block software releases every couple of years, to software releases every 6 months (beginning later this year), but with "Block 4" not beginning until something like 2021 (tl;dr, using 2025 as the date for Block 4 is fine).

You can see the schedule for these 6 month software patches in the "Development" section of the image below - there's the continuous and overlapping development and test phases, and then discrete releases (shown in the row just above the big yellow "FMSim (Dev/Integ/Test)" bar):



So in other words:

In 2015, the F-35B enters USMC service with Block 2B, a 5.5G limit and a Mach 1.2 limit.

In 2016, the F-35A enters USAF service with Block 3i, a 7G limit, 40,000ft limit and a Mach 1.6 limit (F-35Bs also began receiving / upgrading to Block 3i, but this doesn't change their abilities).

In 2017, nothing happens (besides Israel declaring F-35A IOC in December 2017).

In 2018, all 3 variants receive Block 3F in February; the F-35A improves to 9G, the F-35B improves to 7G, the F-35C improves to 7.5G. The F-35B and F-35C get certified to fly at Mach 1.6 in May 2018 and June 2018. All 3 are permitted to fly to 50,000ft (or higher). ***Note that the software only actually limits G limits; pilots can exceed altitude and airspeed limits if they don't mind getting in trouble.***

In late 2018 to (roughly) 2021, there's software upgrades every 6 months, but these are sometimes called 'patches' to Block 3F, correcting outstanding deficiencies and adding things like an Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System.

In (roughly) 2021 to (roughly) 2026, Block 4 software upgrades are rolled out every 6 months, hardware upgrades are rolled out every 2 years (likely in something like 2022 and 2024), including a Tech Refresh 3 that upgrades the F-35's core processors, etc.

Some of the Block 4 capabilities are shown in the chart below; in total there's meant to be roughly 60 software / hardware upgrades, as well as 30+ weapons being integrated:

[Cheechako]

Question - why does the LRASM have an active seeker?

All the reports I've read is that it has a passive RF seeker with an IIR. So it would essentially be emission silent.