NATO Symbols?

[AngryCoder]

I am a bit of a wargaming newbie. My only exposure to wargames apart from Korsun was Panzer General.

I don't know if I am missing something or not, but is there a list of NATO Symbols somewhere in the manual? If not, is there any kind of quick reference sheet out there that lists the NATO symbols?

The only thing I've been able to find on the web so far is a 100+ page pdf, which I can't even begin to comprehend.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Belisarius]

Hi AngryCoder,

This is not perfect, but a good start. And you'll learn Wehrmacht tactical symbols as a bonus! Great for studying those WWII maps.

The right hand column here covers most of the units represented in KP.

Wehrmacht/Nato tactical markings

There's 15 pages in all, so take your time.

Also - unit size is really easy (the marking on top of the boxes)

* = troop
** = squad
*** = platoon
----------------Korsun Pocket scale-------------
I = company/battery
II = battalion
III = regiment
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X = brigade (?)
XX = division
XXX = corps
XXXX = army
XXXXX = army group

[tigerblow]

Thanks a lot!

[Adam Parker]

"X" for brigade is right and "I" can sometimes mean a team - as used by the Americans and "II" or "III" a Kampfgruppe - as used by the Germans (such as Peiper's in the Bulge) - these both being ad hoc or mixed tactical/operational units.

"XXXX" could be used to represent a Soviet "Front" ie: 1st Ukrainian in KP.

"III" could also represent an American "Combat Command" - these comprising the US armored divisions as found in the Bulge with three "III" units per division being CCA, CCB and CCR ("R" standing for reserve).

The way it generically works is this: 3 corps make an army, 3 divisions a corps, 3 regiments a division, 3 battalions a regiment, 3 companies a battalion, 3 platoons a company, 3 squads a platoon, 3 sections a squad. The brigade sometimes falls between the division and regiment depending on nationality and unit type.

In KP/TAO3 it is interesting that a Division sometimes comprises four units being three regiments and a recon battalion for some extra scouting range and oomph.

The above is just a simple rule of thumb to work around and wide variations in numbers do exist, so trust it helps a little

[Belisarius]

Good points, Adam

In reality, though, it's no major difference in strength between a "Combat command" and an Armored regiment, or "Front" and Army, so I left it out.

[hank]

What does the term "brigade" refer to ? Is it another name for a battalion ?

I've heard it used frequently but don't know how it fits into the normally breakdown of a military organization.

hank

[Belisarius]

What does the term "brigade" refer to ? Is it another name for a battalion ?

I've heard it used frequently but don't know how it fits into the normally breakdown of a military organization.

hank

A "brigade" is usually a force with a few regiments/battalions, so it's much larger than a battalion.

The difference between a division and a brigade is that the brigade lacks the support units of the division (supply, signals, medical, AA, engineer, etc), so it's not as independent.

The difference between a brigade and a regiment is, ofcourse, that the brigade usually is bigger and can be set up of several (different)regiments OR battalions. So a brigade has a wider variety of weapons than a regiment and thus more suited to battlefield requirements. E.g. an armored regiment + an infantry regiment + recon company.

A Kampfgruppe is resemblant of a brigade, if that helps.