2by3 to publish Steel Tigers

[MrsWargamer]

Hmm

Steel Tigers is a new set of miniatures rules intended to be played on a hex grid.
This entry was posted on Wednesday, March 27th, 2013

Personally I think the person who choose the name in both cases needs to let go of the obsession with big german cats.

[Capitaine]

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Personally I think the person who choose the name in both cases needs to let go of the obsession with big german cats.

Heretic

[Hexagon]

Nothing like "Fluffy Kittens" as title for bloody tactical wargame [8|]

In general i think we can change "Steel" for "Fog" to represent better the game status [:D]

Is sad but the Lego "Steel Panthers" from Hexdraw looks very promising and i can survive to the cartoon look much better than the ghost Tigers [:'(]

[76mm]

ORIGINAL: Hexagon
In general i think we can change "Steel" for "Fog" to represent better the game status [:D]

My vote is for "Phantom Tigers", has a nice ring to it.

[Rebel Yell]

How about Tasmanian Tigers. They're extinct.

[MrsWargamer]

Not sure if 2by3 is looking, not sure if they are aware, but their game is being mocked and derided. And it's happening on THIS forum, not some unrelevant unimportant location.

Frankly, I'm losing respect for the developers. If this can't get a response, then I'm unsure their game is worth our attention.

[Erik Rutins]

I don't see mocking and deriding, I just see some folks having fun in the way they always do with a release they want but have no significant info on yet. Inevitably, phantoms, ghosts and vapor start to be discussed.

Whether a project is ready to be discussed publicly unfortunately has nothing to do with what's going on in the forum. I can tell you 2by3 are quite busy and so are we. When it comes to Steel Tigers, it's a big project and has already had a great deal of time put into it with much more to come. When it's ready to be discussed, we'll be happy to share information. Until then, all the silence means is that it's still in development.

Regards,

- Erik

[KEYSTONE0795]

I'm hoping this product when unveiled will blow my socks off. Until then, I am very happy with the (sorry for mixing up game scales) Campaign Series, Camo Workshop Steel Panthers, Combat Mission, Steel Beasts Pro Pe 4.1, Command Ops 2, and Graviteam Mius Front/Tunisia. On the board game side: Panzer/MBT and Conflict of Heroes.

I'm very busy!!!!!!!!!!!!![:)] Did I mention I am now retired!

Oh - I forgot Armored Brigade and Command Naval and Air!!!!!!!!!!

[MrsWargamer]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

I don't see mocking and deriding, I just see some folks having fun in the way they always do with a release they want but have no significant info on yet. Inevitably, phantoms, ghosts and vapor start to be discussed.

Whether a project is ready to be discussed publicly unfortunately has nothing to do with what's going on in the forum. I can tell you 2by3 are quite busy and so are we. When it comes to Steel Tigers, it's a big project and has already had a great deal of time put into it with much more to come. When it's ready to be discussed, we'll be happy to share information. Until then, all the silence means is that it's still in development.

Regards,

- Erik

That all sounds reasonable and plausible Erik.
But reality is rarely reasonable and that's not plausible, it the truth.
You might not see it as some guys just having fun. Maybe it isn't though.

I'm already no longer interested in their game.
I couldn't care less if they are close, or if it's 2 years away.
Chances are it wears a price tag close to the usual.
I can't see myself spending 60-80 bucks on a product that lost my loyalty, when I can just continue to play Steel Panthers for one thing.
I think the window for Steel Tigers is not only closed, but, it's looking like it has been bricked up too.
That game should have appeared between 2010 and 2015.

I have no plans to buy War in the East2, I'm not really playing War in the East1
Maybe they make enough on their titles to make it worth it. Not my business. Also not my problem though.

I'm not interested in graphics, I just want a good performing game.
I personally consider Battle Academy to be a superior game to anything that takes hours to perform a turn.
I'm unsure what they are planning to do to make Steel Tigers a replacement for why we play Steel Panthers.
But I'm guessing I'll probably be too busy playing another squad level tactical title at the time.

It happens all the time, you arrive to the market after another similar product got there first, and often it's too late. Happens with movies all the time.

[Kuokkanen]

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

It happens all the time, you arrive to the market after another similar product got there first, and often it's too late. Happens with movies all the time.

When it comes to war games, excellent case in point is Jagged Alliance which came available couple months after UFO: Enemy Unknown.

[Zovs]

ORIGINAL: Kuokkanen

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

It happens all the time, you arrive to the market after another similar product got there first, and often it's too late. Happens with movies all the time.

When it comes to war games, excellent case in point is Jagged Alliance which came available couple months after UFO: Enemy Unknown.

Ah, Jagged Alliance and UFO:Whatever are not War Games. They sound like Sci-Fi or Fantasy Games and hence they are not War Games.

[tevans]

Here's the thing that bothers me. Why even announce the game if it's still years from being released? Why not just work on the game and announce it when it's ready to go? I think it's pointless to announce a game that's not ready for release. Maybe they do it to try to generate interest but in the long run it frustrates people and they end up losing interest. I'm like Mrs. Wargamer where Steel Tigers is concerned. Had it been ready to go when it was announced it would have been a day one purchase for me. But I've lost interest and won't take another look at it now because the game was announced months and years before it was ready for release. Same with War in the East 2 also. I do play War in the East 1 but I just can't see myself buying another version of the same game when the first version works just fine. Especially with the hefty pricetag that everybody knows will be put on the second version.

[Hexagon]

Well, i was very excited when "Steel Tigers" was announced, "Steel Panthers" was my first PC tactical wargame and maybe was the game i played more and still today even when i played other great tactical wargames i find SP the best because combine a solid simulation + made all you want and how you want model (like "Age of Rifles").

Problem is years pass and i see nothing... i dont know how is going to be the title, if is going to offer new features... only thing i have 100% sure is we are not going to have same content in the title because i see a "FOG" model based in a base game + DLCs and if is going to be like other titles that release years in a front as DLC... dont understand me bad, i can deal with this model but means more time to have the nation-front you want... if game is good enough to see it.

In this moment i see ST more like a joke because is the only positive thing i can find in this situation and even worst, i find a title covering the same market target showing images AND VIDEOS!!! with daily updates... i think something like this could at least made you show something to remember ST is still a game and not another internet urban legend.

With SP i had something similar but oposite, i had a CD with demos where with SP demo was "Panzer general" demo, i play it a lot an ignore SP but thanks to God i started in Cristhmas playing SP demo and a few months later i find in a shop PG and "PG allied assaut" + Steel Panthers Gold edition... i buyed the title i find more complete and i hit the target but imagine i continue ignoring SP demo... i think the other game is going to hurt a lot ST if is released soon and ST continues as fog.

[tevans]

ORIGINAL: Zovs

ORIGINAL: Kuokkanen

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

It happens all the time, you arrive to the market after another similar product got there first, and often it's too late. Happens with movies all the time.

When it comes to war games, excellent case in point is Jagged Alliance which came available couple months after UFO: Enemy Unknown.

Ah, Jagged Alliance and UFO:Whatever are not War Games. They sound like Sci-Fi or Fantasy Games and hence they are not War Games.

Yet some form of Jagged Alliance or Jagged Alliance clone was/is sold by Matrix. Some people think of Matrix as a wargaming site. So you could draw the conclusion that a clone of Jagged Alliance is some type of wargame.

[MrsWargamer]

ORIGINAL: Zovs

ORIGINAL: Kuokkanen

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

It happens all the time, you arrive to the market after another similar product got there first, and often it's too late. Happens with movies all the time.

When it comes to war games, excellent case in point is Jagged Alliance which came available couple months after UFO: Enemy Unknown.

Ah, Jagged Alliance and UFO:Whatever are not War Games. They sound like Sci-Fi or Fantasy Games and hence they are not War Games.

Not relevant to the point whether they are or not wargames.

[76mm]

Well, I will still *probably* buy the game, depending on what else is available at the time. But I *certainly* won't buy the game out of any kind of devotion or loyalty to the devs, as I have with other games. Because based on their complete lack of communication for four years after announcing the game, I don't believe that these devs have earned that loyalty.

Their poor communication also gives the impression that they will make whatever game they want to make, instead of getting feedback from players about what they are looking for. That's fine, but it also means that I will wait for some time after release before deciding whether to buy, until I've seen several player reviews of the game. And then I'll only buy if I'm convinced that the game does in fact offer pretty much exactly what I want.

And finally, the complete lack of communication creates a very negative "buzz" about the game. Plenty of players that would previously have bought it, or at least stayed neutral, will now be more inclined to criticize it once it has been released. That kind of buzz does not help with sales... One of the huge advantages of a successor to Steel Panthers is the game's huge legacy player base; seems like a dubious decision to throw away that advantage by annoying legacy players.

All of these negatives could have been avoided by the simple expedient of spending 15-30 minutes per quarter providing some kind of update, so I continue to be surprised that the devs can't be bothered to do so. What you're seeing in this thread is not just players blowing off steam, but the steady, relentless, and perhaps soon-to-be-irreversible evaporation of this dev's credibility and level of customer loyalty.

[Hexagon]

I see it like 76mm, i dont have now any motive to buy the game first day even if appear with some kind of "blitkrieg marketing"... apart last title released that try use the "nostalgia" card was a complete fiasco because game was released in alpha status and devs disappear after a few weeks since release [:-] (i dont know who where the devs of game and i really dont care unless i see them related in other title).

In general for me now "Steel Tigers" is another game more, i follow it but i dont have money reserved to buy it (i am not going to hold my pocket when i see a book or other thing i want) and i have 0 link with the title, if finally appear and is good i am going to buy it but needs AT LEAST be as good as "Steel Panthers", if is unable to offer the same than a 25 years old game in content and his only card is going to be new graphics i simple pass... i am going to use the "i buy what i see" attitude and not the "i invest to made it grow" aproximation.

And well, we are going to see what devs understand by "Steel Panthers modern successor" not why we understand and this is not allways a good way to create the positive enviroment to made your product be a success.

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: 76mm

ORIGINAL: Hexagon
In general i think we can change "Steel" for "Fog" to represent better the game status [:D]

My vote is for "Phantom Tigers", has a nice ring to it.

What about Ghost? Or, better, Tigers in the shell? [;)]

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

I don't see mocking and deriding, I just see some folks having fun in the way they always do with a release they want but have no significant info on yet. Inevitably, phantoms, ghosts and vapor start to be discussed.

Whether a project is ready to be discussed publicly unfortunately has nothing to do with what's going on in the forum. I can tell you 2by3 are quite busy and so are we. When it comes to Steel Tigers, it's a big project and has already had a great deal of time put into it with much more to come. When it's ready to be discussed, we'll be happy to share information. Until then, all the silence means is that it's still in development.

Regards,

- Erik

That all sounds reasonable and plausible Erik.
But reality is rarely reasonable and that's not plausible, it the truth.
You might not see it as some guys just having fun. Maybe it isn't though.

I'm already no longer interested in their game.
I couldn't care less if they are close, or if it's 2 years away.
Chances are it wears a price tag close to the usual.
I can't see myself spending 60-80 bucks on a product that lost my loyalty, when I can just continue to play Steel Panthers for one thing.
I think the window for Steel Tigers is not only closed, but, it's looking like it has been bricked up too.
That game should have appeared between 2010 and 2015.

I have no plans to buy War in the East2, I'm not really playing War in the East1
Maybe they make enough on their titles to make it worth it. Not my business. Also not my problem though.

I'm not interested in graphics, I just want a good performing game.
I personally consider Battle Academy to be a superior game to anything that takes hours to perform a turn.
I'm unsure what they are planning to do to make Steel Tigers a replacement for why we play Steel Panthers.
But I'm guessing I'll probably be too busy playing another squad level tactical title at the time.

It happens all the time, you arrive to the market after another similar product got there first, and often it's too late. Happens with movies all the time.

MrsWargamer, just curious, did you try a Combat Mission game?

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: tevans

Here's the thing that bothers me. Why even announce the game if it's still years from being released? Why not just work on the game and announce it when it's ready to go? I think it's pointless to announce a game that's not ready for release. Maybe they do it to try to generate interest but in the long run it frustrates people and they end up losing interest. I'm like Mrs. Wargamer where Steel Tigers is concerned. Had it been ready to go when it was announced it would have been a day one purchase for me. But I've lost interest and won't take another look at it now because the game was announced months and years before it was ready for release. Same with War in the East 2 also. I do play War in the East 1 but I just can't see myself buying another version of the same game when the first version works just fine. Especially with the hefty pricetag that everybody knows will be put on the second version.

Well, was it formally announced? We had an article about Steel Tigers that will be the first game to use the Archon engine, that's all...