Banzais Don't Make Victories - Anachro (A) vs John 3rd (J) BTS 5.7

[Anachro]

Momentum hasn't shifted too much: the Japanese navy is still very strong, particularly the carriers. Japan gets more shokaku-class carriers instead of Unryu, better unsinkable CVLs, I think it even gets more, better DDs. However, the major weakness of Japan early on is the name: the ships it has are insufficient to cover the large area it seeks to defend. Of course, I don't intend to focus on one area so that John can, also, focus there with all his ships. We must spread him out and keep him moving to burn fuel.

I forgot to mention Japan gets carrier-capable Jacks and Georges.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

Momentum hasn't shifted too much: the Japanese navy is still very strong, particularly the carriers. Japan gets more shokaku-class carriers instead of Unryu, better unsinkable CVLs, I think it even gets more, better DDs. However, the major weakness of Japan early on is the name: the ships it has are insufficient to cover the large area it seeks to defend. Of course, I don't intend to focus on one area so that John can, also, focus there with all his ships. We must spread him out and keep him moving to burn fuel.

I forgot to mention Japan gets carrier-capable Jacks and Georges.

Ok ...

How about the Army? Scenario 2 or more like #1 or something in between ?

[Anachro]

I'm not entirely sure:

On the ground Yamamoto reorganizes the SNLF units into a Brigade-Sized offensive force and—knowing it will be a war of attrition—converts many Naval Guard into enhanced units with Coastal Defense artillery (using guns taken from refitted warships) for a stronger defensive unit. Additional small units are added to the IJN’s Troops and support units better reflecting Yamamoto's foresight into base building, defense, and expansion needs. While all these units are small and not in great number they promise to help the Japanese war effort.

Japan gets more CD units, SNLF brigades, etc, but I'm not sure the state of its army divisions.

[modrow]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

I'm not entirely sure:

On the ground Yamamoto reorganizes the SNLF units into a Brigade-Sized offensive force and—knowing it will be a war of attrition—converts many Naval Guard into enhanced units with Coastal Defense artillery (using guns taken from refitted warships) for a stronger defensive unit. Additional small units are added to the IJN’s Troops and support units better reflecting Yamamoto's foresight into base building, defense, and expansion needs. While all these units are small and not in great number they promise to help the Japanese war effort.

Japan gets more CD units, SNLF brigades, etc, but I'm not sure the state of its army divisions.

IIRC your Allied 43 Inf squad upgrades have been nerfed as well, so fire power increase for Allied in 43 is much lower and just comparable to (rather than superior to, like in stock) IJA squad capabilities.That effects loss balance significantly.

HArtwig

[Anachro]

If I remember correctly when we discussed this same subject early on in this thread, Modrow, the values for the squads are the same as they are in DBB-C, which is the underlying mod used by John in the current iteration of his mod. I believe he is actively transitioning the mod over to B-Mod as a base for future versions.

[ny59giants]

Future plans with this mod: We are going to use Big B's China changes. Hopefully it makes that theater a large stalemate. When it comes to IJA changes in this mod, there have been very few. Most deal with various HQ of all types - less static Command HQ, move aviation support and some added support to the various Air HQs. The Naval Guards are now in Assault Divisions which are more like brigades, but we made them divisions so they can be divided. The decision on the Jack and George being CV capable was John's. We did push out their availability after I was able to get the George in late '42 in a prior version. Allies do get some nice perks, so it's not one sided.

[modrow]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

If I remember correctly when we discussed this same subject early on in this thread, Modrow, the values for the squads are the same as they are in DBB-C, which is the underlying mod used by John in the current iteration of his mod. I believe he is actively transitioning the mod over to B-Mod as a base for future versions.

Aye, but it sure makes a difference with respect to momentum IMO (just like the reduction of cargo load capacities and changes to fuel usage that you seem to be using as they are part of DBB-C, too), which was what Crackaces was asking about.

That's all I say.

Hartwig

[JohnDillworth]

What is the Allied offset for the Jack & George being carrier capable? Also, What changes have been made to late war Allied air production to offset Japan's player defined upgrades and is there any corresponding increase in Allied aircraft production to match the ahistoric Japanes aircraft production? thanks

[Anachro]

I can't answer fully, but the Allies get the option to "buy" additional aircraft replacements in-game. However, I think the cost in PPs is a little steep to be quite honest. And, of course, the number of replacements we can buy is limited.

[Bif1961]

In my game I have a lot of Dutch squadrons that could use older American air frames, especially P-40S. PPS are hard to come by in the mid war period but I would invest some if I could fill 6-10 dutch fighter squadrons. I am still flying so Dutch bombers and I am starting June 43, not counting several small Dutch naval search units.

[RangerJoe]

The Dutch do get some aircraft to purchase.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

The Dutch do get some aircraft to purchase.

The Dutch also get the B-25C as an upgrade without having to pay PP IIRC. That alone makes buying out a few Dutch bomber units worthwhile.

[821Bobo]

But Dutch doesn't have any pilot replacements. You need them babysit.

[RangerJoe]

The air units that you purchase have pilots. [8|]

[821Bobo]

[8|]
Sure they have, on Dec 7th.
But I am pretty sure these Dutch doesn't have much left.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: modrow

ORIGINAL: Anachro

If I remember correctly when we discussed this same subject early on in this thread, Modrow, the values for the squads are the same as they are in DBB-C, which is the underlying mod used by John in the current iteration of his mod. I believe he is actively transitioning the mod over to B-Mod as a base for future versions.

Aye, but it sure makes a difference with respect to momentum IMO (just like the reduction of cargo load capacities and changes to fuel usage that you seem to be using as they are part of DBB-C, too), which was what Crackaces was asking about.

That's all I say.

Hartwig

That point is exactly what I am leading on to ... more so, it looks like the IJN get more floating toys that will (if used) burn more fuel. Unless the IJ get extra fuel/refineries that I am not aware of ... The Allies increase in floating toys has a fuel supply only limited by logistics. I might propose that the IJN's position is not the same.

One thing that was argued a long time ago (I have not been on this forum for quite awhile) and that is the unintended consequences of DBB changes in 10% of the refinery output going to supply. The obvious problem was that the 10% supply allowed for an allied strategy of "Fortress Palembang" so eliminating the 10% seemed to solve a problem. But it creates an insidious problem in that supplies for the DEI have to come from elsewhere as the standard map does not have many places producing supply. Thus the IJN has to support the IJA in the DEI. It abstractly means trading even more fuel for supply.

I will go back into lurking mode ..

[Anachro]

Well, if John keeps using his heavies as he is, he will keep most of his fuel in the DEI burning it up, with little left over for the home islands. Japan already has elected to build 2 Yamato BBs and I think gets an opion to build more. In addition to this, I think he gets more CVs.

Battleship Question and Decision

Staying historical the Japanese decide to build the super-battleships of the Yamato-Class. All four are represented in this Mod. Shinano and Aki are built as BBs and they will use BUCKETS of shipyard points but they are Japan's for the asking.

Fuji-Class Light Battlecruisers

The perceived success of the Chichibu Battlecruiser leads Japan to follow the big guns approach with their final class of 'cruisers.' The Japanese follow the example of the Panzerschiff and create a cruiser-killing class of six ships. The Fuji-Class mount 2x2 14" guns, capable secondary, and long lances in an effort to fight the massive American Two-Ocean Naval Build-Up.

Do you think John will elect to build all of the Yamato-class BBs?

[RangerJoe]

I agree that refineries should produce supply since Avgas, DF, and Mogas are both in the supply area and not the fuel area.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

[8|]
Sure they have, on Dec 7th.
But I am pretty sure these Dutch doesn't have much left.

Disbanding some Dutch squadrons before they are overrun on Java should provide a pool of pilots for the Dutch. The squadrons bought out and upgrading to B-25C will have been moved to safer bases and will already have pilots. Yeah, they may eventually run out but they can do some damage to the enemy before they run out.

[RangerJoe]

Some of those Dutch squadrons can also use Aussie pilots.