Whats the female representation playing Steel Panthers

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:39 pm

Hey just sitting here wondering....how many women playing Steel Panthers?

Even more interestingly, any of you guys actually in heaven, being able to actually play it against your wife. or one step further, being able to play it against her and actually able to play it fully totally honestly and not in a coddling manner?

I am sure Joan of Arc wasnt a fluke. In my rolegaming experience most women think before they act. Just wish I knew some that were wargamers.

Resisti · Post by **Resisti** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:12 pm

To my knowledge there are 2 women who are quite steadily walking tru this forum and playing spwaw:

-AmmoSgt
-Alexandra

but i dont think any of us has the...proved proof they are REALLY women :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As for wifes playin spwaw with their husbands, I dont know if any of us it's so lucky, but I'd be curious to know it,too.
In my case she appreciated the new 5.01 intro theme music,compared with the one of 4.5 which she considered "depressive", and believe me this is a HUGE step ahead !

[ June 14, 2001: Message edited by: Resisti ]

sven · Post by **sven** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:04 pm

Originally posted by Resisti:
To my knowledge there are 2 women who are quite steadily walking tru this forum and playing spwaw:

-AmmoSgt
-Alexandra

but i dont think any of us has the...proved proof they are REALLY women :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As for wifes playin spwaw with their husbands, I dont know if any of us it's so lucky, but I'd be curious to know it,too.
In my case she appreciated the new 5.01 intro theme music,compared with the one of 4.5 which she considered "depressive", and believe me this is a HUGE step ahead !

[ June 14, 2001: Message edited by: Resisti ]

"I am so Lucky" says sven the 'american viking' (blessed with a Good wife)

Alexandra · Post by **Alexandra** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:06 pm

Yep, as far as I know, Ammo and I are it.

Alex

Nemesis · Post by **Nemesis** » Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:13 pm

Originally posted by Alexandra:
Yep, as far as I know, Ammo and I are it.

Alex

If we had more women playing The Game, we could have "Miss Steel Panthers" contest

! I guess we could have "Mr. Steel Panthers" contest as well, but the idea of beauty-contest between hairy men who like strategy-games... Ugh!

BlitzSS · Post by **BlitzSS** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 1:10 am

It's good to see your name again Les. Apparently you like 5.01 better then 4.5! So how many warrior women do we now have?

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 1:49 am

Well you can add my lovely wife, Lady Beth! Even she enjoys a sit-down shoot out around here every once in awhile.

Her specialty are the scenarios with lots of shooting and lots of explosions (G). Go figure. Come tot think of it, they are mine too

Wild Bill

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 1:51 am

Speaking of that, look for a new scenario in SPWAW on the Raider Page titled "Heroine of the USSR," A female Russian tank commander. She bought her own T-34 and used it effectively for almost two years!

Should be out on the Raider page any day now!
http://www.militarygameronline.com/raiders/

Wild Bill

Figmo · Post by **Figmo** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 5:08 am

WOW Bill - I remember that scenario - it's a great one - everybody will love it!!

And geez - I haven't got a clue

- I didn't know Alex was female until she said so and didn't know until now that Ammo Sarge is female. When I'm at this site I don't think about who is what - I just talk about the game and history.

Now you want to be careful getting the Wild Man into a chat room - he has a silver tongue and will have you saying things before you even realized you were thinking them!!

Figmo

JTGEN · Post by **JTGEN** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 11:43 am

I think it is great to have women playing this wonderfull game too. It should suit them perfectly. And apart Alexandra (which for some reason I quessed) I did not who is who but it does not matter as long as there is discussion.

By the way has anybody seen the document about female warriors in WW2. It's great. They interwiewed some Russian fighterpilots (Soviets had several female aces), some US pilots and also the Germans had atleast one sort of a fighter pilot Beate Uchse (spelling???), although she is now better known for something else. Even if she was not combat pilot, flying FW190's to front line units was in many ways more risky in allied controlled airspace.

AmmoSgt · Post by **AmmoSgt** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:34 pm

One of my favorite woman combat heros .. Is Dr Ruth ..( Dr Ruth Westheimer ) The sex doctor you see on TV sometimes .. She was a sniper in Jerusalem during the Israeli War of Independance in 1948.. She was wounded in combat .. and She is only like 4'6" and about 85 pounds or something ..
Then of course you got Deborah, who was a General in the Old Testament
You got your Trang Sisters , sometime around 1000 AD ,who united Vietnam and threw the Chinese out
and yes Joan of Arc
and Yes Bodiacea
Women have fought in all of America's wars sometimes having to dress and pretent to be be men to be allowed to Fight
The Greeks felt that the Ultimate Test of a Warrior was to survive a combat against the Amazons
Molly Pitcher and Her one gun battery gave a good account of Herself In the American Revolutionary War
Harriet Tubman ,the creator of the Underground Railroad, was a Commisioned Officer in the U S Army during the Civil War and lead Recon and Raids deep in Confederate held Territory ..She always accomplished the Mission and never lost a Trooper
oh oops sorry you said prettyist not Bravest.. I haven't a clue who that would be

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Alexandra · Post by **Alexandra** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:41 pm

By the way has anybody seen the document about female warriors in WW2. It's great. They interwiewed some Russian fighterpilots (Soviets had several female aces), some US pilots and also the Germans had atleast one sort of a fighter pilot Beate Uchse (spelling???), although she is now better known for something else. Even if she was not combat pilot, flying FW190's to front line units was in many ways more risky in allied controlled airspace.[/QB][/QUOTE]

It's estimated the Soviets had at least 1 million women actively serving in all arms of service, to include Infantry and Armor in WW2.

It's kind of ironic that Communism is more accepting of women in combat than Democracy

.

Alex

Mark Ezra · Post by **Mark Ezra** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 5:15 pm

Ammo Sarge: Thanks for the post about Dr Ruth. I'm starting research on the '48 war of Independence. I plan a scen or two on the subject. Dr Ruth will be there. The day WILL come when a women's talents and interest will be unquestioned. It must have made you and Alexandria both laugh as we men ponder proof that some woman might wish to play OUR game...LOL

lnp4668 · Post by **lnp4668** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 5:35 pm

Originally posted by Alexandra:

It's estimated the Soviets had at least 1 million women actively serving in all arms of service, to include Infantry and Armor in WW2.

It's kind of ironic that Communism is more accepting of women in combat than Democracy .

Alex

Actually I think it is more of a function of the Russian society as well as its desperate needs for men power. The western powers never quite gets push to the point of extermination or fight like the SO was during WW2.

I personally thinks that Hitler make a mistake when he fails to utilize women more during WW2, at least in the manufacturing front.

BTW AmmoSgt, I am glad that someone actually knows about Vietnam's history. It is the Trinh sisters who was one of the first heroines of Vietnam.

Alexandra · Post by **Alexandra** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 7:51 pm

I'd disagree with point one being a factor of Russian 'personality' so to speak, as it's not evident that prior to WW2 the Russians ever used women in warfare. And, given the very large amounts of women used by the Chinese Communists, and other such groups, I think that it's more a political thoery thing.

I personally thinks that Hitler make a mistake when he fails to utilize women more during WW2, at least in the manufacturing front.

They did, though not as much as the Soviets or the Americans. Still, by '44 women were being used in AA units and the like inside Germany.

AmmoSgt · Post by **AmmoSgt** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 8:15 pm

Women in Combat hmmm ..Women have always been in combat, usually unarmed and untrained ..America got kinda of lucky with the "Pioneering Wagon Train It's OK to Shoot Back Annie Oakley" Wild West concepts ( I'm Sure other cultures have similar stories but the Wild West comes to my mind First)
But Still, unarmed and untrained, Women have been displaying unquestioned bravery and courage on the battle field and in bombed cities and besieged Castles for a long time .
From time to time Women get almost a break, and get to do some of the glory jobs ..the stuff history recognizes .. But they are there on the Battlefield , trained or not, armed or not, recognized or not, and they do it with honor and courage all to often overlooked ...
Maybe a little more open admiration of some of the Famous Ones ..would attract spouses (occasionally in need of role models), to get them to step out of culturaly approved and rewarded roles for women... Just a Thought

AmmoSgt · Post by **AmmoSgt** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 8:26 pm

Then and again on the Other hand...If women started having group sessions to get intouch with thier "inner warrior" and started getting training and arms ...it wouldn't be very pretty..in fact kinda scary
hmmm maybe that would be a good thing..
Have you ever heard any of the Old Celtic Ballads called "Keenings" that are ritual pagan blessing chants Celtic Women sung over arms and armor to give the weapons strength and power... you can feel the combat mutiplier it imparts ...in a couple of my units some of the women sang over their M-16's .. I remember the chanting the day when the Army made Rifle Training part of Basic For Women ....

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lnp4668 · Post by **lnp4668** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 8:45 pm

Originally posted by AmmoSgt:
Women in Combat hmmm ..Women have always been in combat, usually unarmed and untrained ..America got kinda of lucky with the "Pioneering Wagon Train It's OK to Shoot Back Annie Oakley" Wild West concepts ( I'm Sure other cultures have similar stories but the Wild West comes to my mind First)
But Still, unarmed and untrained, Women have been displaying unquestioned bravery and courage on the battle field and in bombed cities and besieged Castles for a long time .
From time to time Women get almost a break, and get to do some of the glory jobs ..the stuff history recognizes .. But they are there on the Battlefield , trained or not, armed or not, recognized or not, and they do it with honor and courage all to often overlooked ...
Maybe a little more open admiration of some of the Famous Ones ..would attract spouses (occasionally in need of role models), to get them to step out of culturaly approved and rewarded roles for women... Just a Thought

My complete agreement there. However, it is not calls HIStory for no reason

Usually it is the one in charge gets to write the text book, and so far men still have the more powerful positions in society.

lnp4668 · Post by **lnp4668** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 8:51 pm

Originally posted by AmmoSgt:
Then and again on the Other hand...If women started having group sessions to get intouch with thier "inner warrior" and started getting training and arms ...it wouldn't be very pretty..in fact kinda scary
hmmm maybe that would be a good thing..
Have you ever heard any of the Old Celtic Ballads called "Keenings" that are ritual pagan blessing chants Celtic Women sung over arms and armor to give the weapons strength and power... you can feel the combat mutiplier it imparts ...in a couple of my units some of the women sang over their M-16's .. I remember the chanting the day when the Army made Rifle Training part of Basic For Women ....

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Are you sure they wasn't cursing that they have to clean and maintains the stupid things?

Nemesis · Post by **Nemesis** » Fri Jun 15, 2001 8:59 pm

Originally posted by lnp4668:

However, it is not calls HIStory for no reason.

No, please! Spare us from Michael Jackson!