Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests

[rickywild]

F-8E (297 in DB) has incorrect loadout name 2325
text: zuni, bombs
fact: 4x aim-9b

[thewood1]

AJ-2 Savage should have drogue tanker capability. Confirmation and pic in Squadron/Signal USN Aircraft Carrier Air Units Volume 1: 1946-1956 pg. 56/57. It appears to be off the standard 1200 gal. drop tanks. AJ-1s were also used the same way. Trying to build a 1955 cold war in the Pacific scenario and noticed this.

Also shown on the web...

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... hters.html

[boogabooga]

Serious question, but is the CWDB still being maintained? It's been years since it has been updated, possible not since CMO came out.

[boogabooga]

[double post]

edit:
I got an answer to that really fast; thank you for CWDB v491!

[boogabooga]

ORIGINAL: boogabooga

I've noticed that almost all F-105 Thunderchief versions in the current CWDB have 2x J75 engines. The F-105 should have only one J75:

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit ... nderchief/
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit ... nderchief/

This appears to still be an issue in CWDB 491.

[boogabooga]

ORIGINAL: boogabooga

There is a discrepancy between CWDB v478 and DB3000 v487 with the AN/APQ-104 radar on the F-8E(FN). The former has it as an 8 nm range-only radar while the later has it as a 60 nm full-service FCR.

I'm not sure which is correct, but I tend to believe the later, as it's used to guide the R.530 SARH.

I appreciate that the radar discrepancy was resolved on the F-8E(FN)s in CWDB v491. However, there appears to be a new issue with these Aircraft (#668 and #2847):

Loadout 594 says that it is for the AIM-9C, but is in fact missing its missiles completely and reverts to an all-gun loadout. Also, I believe the loadout should be for the R.530 SARH and not the AIM-9C.

[Broncepulido]

Some details here:
http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/crusader/crusader.htm

[boogabooga]

It seems that both B-29s (Aircraft 388 and 2193) have been removed from the CWDB v491 for some reason. They were present in 478, and scenarios that used them can not be rebuilt.

[boogabooga]

The AIM-9C Sidewinder (Weapon 247) lacks the "Illuminate at launch" property and therefore can't be fired.

[tylerblakebrandon]

ORIGINAL: boogabooga

It seems that both B-29s (Aircraft 388 and 2193) have been removed from the CWDB v491 for some reason. They were present in 478, and scenarios that used them can not be rebuilt.

It actually appears all us B-17, B-24, and B-29 where removed and all but the CIA version of the B-25.

[Vulcan607]

Found another loadout for the Wessex lol 2 2 inch rocket pods 2 30cal mg 2 SS11 and 2 torpedos because what the hell!
Also got a pic without the torps god the range must have been well interesting with all that!
https://royal-naval-association-wrexham ... li-43a.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/f5/42/94/f542 ... 1370d3.jpg

[boogabooga]

ORIGINAL: boogabooga

It seems that both B-29s (Aircraft 388 and 2193) have been removed from the CWDB v491 for some reason. They were present in 478, and scenarios that used them can not be rebuilt.

If you get a chance to look at the B-29s, could you please add a loadout of 7 x Mark 25 Mines?

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WAMUS_Mines.php
https://media.defense.gov/2009/Oct/08/2 ... 4S-002.JPG

[MikeKozlowski]

Hoping I'm in the right place to make a couple of Cold War Database requests:

1) The North American F-82 Twin Mustang. Originally intended as a long-range escort fighter, it missed service in WWII but ended up replacing the P-61 and the USAF's main all-weather and night fighter until the F-89 and F-94 came along. Only 272 built, but they saw solid service in Korea - one got the first USAF air to air victory there, and provided sterling CAS as well. Served from '46 to '53.

2) The Republic-Ford JB-2 Loon. This was a reverse engineered V-1 'buzz bomb' which the US intended to use during an invasion of Japan. Wright Field engineers reverse engineered a pulse-jet engine in three weeks, and in less than 90 days the USAAF was test firing prototypes into the Gulf of Mexico. They were intended to be launched from B-17s and ground sites. The USN version was called the KGW-1, and was to be launched from PB4Y Privateers and modified LSTs. In the early 50s, two fleet boats conducted firing trials with them and they worked quite nicely. 1400 built from 1945, and in service until '53.

I really feel both of these units would add unique dimensions to gameplay - the F-82, though never serving in large numbers, was an important part of the Korean War effort before being withdrawn to become an early mainstay of US air defenses. The Loon, admittedly, never got into line service - but as America's first true guided SSM, it provides some interesting opportunities with the ever-increasing WWII era platform list.

Thanks for considering!

Mike

[boogabooga]

The F-82 is in the 478 database. It's one of the reciprocating-engine planes (along with B-29 and perhaps others) that was "removed" (perhaps accidentally) from the 491 database.

Revert to the 478 CWDB and it should be there

[tylerblakebrandon]

Request the addition of the following early guided munitions.


Name: VB-1 and VB-2 AZON

Purpose: Command Guided Glide Bomb

Platforms: When used in combat, it was dropped from a modified Consolidated B-24 Liberator (the 458th Bombardment Group in Europe and the 493rd Bomb Squadron in the CBI Theater), with earlier development test drops of the AZON in the United States sometimes using the B-17 Flying Fortress as the platform.

Summary Details: AZON (AZimuth ONly guidance kit for a standard 1000lb bomb (VB-1) or 2000lb bomb (VB-2). The ability to only control the path of the bomb in the azimuth direction, made AZON bombs most suitable for long and narrow targets, such as bridges or railways. A disadvantage of using an AZON bomb was that after a bomb was dropped the bomber could not break way immediately because the bombardier had to keep the bomb in view so he could guide it. The bombardier used a BC-1156 joystick control to adjust the course left or right. The directional commands were sent to the guidance package via a special-purpose radio system.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azon

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit ... ided-bomb/

https://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/vb.html

https://www.criticalpast.com/video/6567 ... smart-bomb

https://bulletpicker.com/guided-missile ... rfa32.html

The Azimuth “Smart” Bombs of World War II - Warfare History Network

http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/USN ... age055.htm

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php? ... zon-bombs/

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _II_review

https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep1388 ... b_contents
https://media.defense.gov/2017/Dec/28/2 ... DESERT.PDF


http://www.alternatewars.com/WW2/Papers ... y_AZON.htm

https://books.google.com/books?id=MisjE ... on&f=false

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2021/07/3 ... -in-korea/

https://web.archive.org/web/20120306191 ... nbomb.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20101018222 ... t1944b.htm

https://www.458bg.com/azonproject.htm

http://www.ausairpower.net/WW2-PGMs.html#mozTocId939018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WDDpCQVRag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkJdlxG_6Aw

[tylerblakebrandon]

Request the addition of the following early guided munitions.


Name: VB-3 and VB-4 RAZON

Purpose: Command Guided Glide Bomb

Platforms: When used in combat during Korea, it was dropped by the 19th Bomb Group from B-29 Superfortresses, with earlier development test drops of the in the United States using the MB-17 Flying Fortress as the platform.

Summary Details: standard 1000lb (VB-3) or 2000lb (VB-4) fiited with a radio command guidance kit. RAZON (for RAnge and AZimuth ONly) was based on the gudance kit used for its AZON (AZimuth-Only) predecessor.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VB-3_Razon

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit ... azon-bomb/

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/vb.html

https://bulletpicker.com/guided-missile ... rfa33.html

https://447bg.org/artillary/vb3-razon/

http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/Ord ... n04_02.htm

http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/USN ... age057.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8aiVpaXOcw

https://media.defense.gov/2017/Dec/28/2 ... DESERT.PDF

https://www.michaelraska.de/research/PG ... a_2012.pdf

http://svsm.org/gallery/vb3

http://www.ausairpower.net/WW2-PGMs.html

https://www.airvectors.net/avsmw2.html

[tylerblakebrandon]

Request the addition of the following early guided munitions.


Name: VB-13 (later ASM-A-1) TARZON

Purpose: Command Guided Glide Bomb

Platforms: When used in combat during Korea, it was dropped by the 19th Bomb Group from B-29 Superfortresses, Potentially also could have been used by B-36 bombers..

Summary Details: 12,000lb Tallboy bomb fitted with a RAZON command guidance kit.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-A-1_Tarzon

https://web.archive.org/web/20101225221 ... sp?id=1049

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusr ... m-a-1.html

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/sele ... th-a-brain

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit ... rzon-bomb/

https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-o ... 9680017000

https://dbpedia.org/page/ASM-A-1_Tarzon

https://media.defense.gov/2017/Dec/28/2 ... DESERT.PDF

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2021/07/3 ... -in-korea/

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA406542.pdf

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26275055

https://bulletpicker.com/guided-missile ... rfa35.html

[CV60]

I'm posting this at the request of "Stanley_The_Rolmate", who is a new member, and is having trouble posting. This post refers to CWDB, not the DB3K database:


All US CA's and CAG's seem to have way too high fuel consumption values. This means they have about 13-19 hours endurance at cruise speed.

Below are the units and their fuel consumption. They all have 40 tons of oil fuel.


Creep: 44,55kg per minute
Cruise: 49,5kg per minute
Full: 94,04kg per minute
Flank 185,62kg per minute
All versions of CA Rochester
All versions of CA Macon
All versions of CA Toledo
All versions of CA Des Moines
All versions of CA Los Angeles
All Versions of CA Newport News
CA Boston
CA Saint Paul
All versions of CA Helena

Creep: 30,72kg per minute
Cruise: 34,13kg per minute
Full: 64,86kg per minute
Flank: 128,01kg per minute
All versions of CA and CAG Canbrerra
All versions of CAG and CAG Boston


In comparison CG Albany which is a conversion of a ship that's part of the same class as the CA Rochester, Has the following fuel consumption values(also carries 40 tons of oil fuel):
Creep: 0,9kg per minute
Cruise: 1kg per minute
Full: 1,89kg per minute
Flank: 3,75kg per minute

[Note from CV 60]: Looking at these numbers, it appears "Stanley_The_Rolmate" is correct. Ship _1624 shows 40 tons of fuel. I'll try to dig around a bit and see what kind of numbers I can dig up for these cruisers, but the current fuel load is wrong.

[Scorpion86]

#668 and #2847 - F-8E(FN) Crusader

Both aircraft had a loadout with 2 * R.530(SARH) in CWBD478. In CWDB491, that loadout was renamed and is empty on both aircraft. Could you revert those to as it was in CWDB478?

Also, could you please add a loadout with 2 * R.530(IR) to aircraft #2847?

[tylerblakebrandon]

Request the addition of the following early guided munitions.


Name: GB-1, also known as the "Grapefruit bomb" and as XM-108

Purpose: INS Guided Glide Bomb

Platforms: Deployed by B-17 Flying Fortresses with 2 bombs, 1 carried under each wing.

Summary Details: The GB-1 mated a 12-foot (3.7 m) wing and twin-tail empennage of conventional small-aircraft design to a standard M34 2,000-pound (910 kg) bomb. A gyrostabilizer-based autopilot controlling azimuth was used, allowing the bomb to be set to a specific course following release at a specific altitude and target distance; gliding at a speed of 230 miles per hour (370 km/h), range from a release height of 15,000 feet (4,600 m) was 20 miles (32 km). Over 1,000 were used during the war.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB-1

https://www.aftc.af.mil/News/On-This-Da ... b-testing/

https://dbpedia.org/page/GB-1

https://media.defense.gov/2017/Dec/28/2 ... DESERT.PDF

https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep1388 ... b_contents


https://www.criticalpast.com/video/6567 ... omb-in-sea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is8iqj_JLhc

https://www.governmentattic.org/vonK/Gu ... man_V9.pdf

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryGfys/c ... ing_tests/

http://www.303rdbg.com/bombs.html