How are these units supplied.

[Lascar]

A soviet corp and naval unit are in Konigsberg but the Germans control all other ports on the Baltic, including Kronstadt.
How can they remain fully supplied under these conditions?

[PanzerMike]

They shouldn't

[AlvaroSousa]

Yea they shouldnt be but it is difficult to implement. What if they are land connected to Moscow but don't own leningrad?

[PanzerMike]

Nope, that answer will not do

[Lascar]

Yea they shouldnt be but it is difficult to implement. What if they are land connected to Moscow but don't own Leningrad?

But they are not land connected to any Soviet supply source, if they were on any other coastal hex on the Baltic other than a city\port hex they would be isolated.
How would owning Leningrad, which is not a port, prevent them from being isolated from supply, if the Germans control Krondstadt?

[stjeand]

Could create events in the event file to supply them...but it requires quite a bit of work.

As Al said the issue is that USSR needs a port connected to their main supply and THEN they could supply other locations. That would be very difficult to code.

I can see dozens of entries in the event file.

[Lascar]

Could create events in the event file to supply them...but it requires quite a bit of work.

As Al said the issue is that USSR needs a port connected to their main supply and THEN they could supply other locations. That would be very difficult to code.

I can see dozens of entries in the event file.

The point is that without that setup the units in Konigsberg are in a state of supply regardless. The problem in the example cited is the units are in supply not unsupplied. Once again, how are those units surrounded by enemy units and the sea tracing supply to a Soviet source? These units should be losing effectiveness over time, instead they are gaining.

[stjeand]

Again they have a port. All ports are supply sources.
So Konigsburg is in supply.

There is no such thing as sea supply tracing back to a land supply source.
A port is always in supply unless events are put in place to prevent it.


There is a special event set up in the Med that says...IF Gibraltar and Egypt fall to the Axis all ports in the Med do not supply Allies.

BUT there is no event like that for the Axis.

SO if the Allies captured every port in the Med but Tobruk and there was a German unit there...it would still be supplied.

There are SO many one offs...that there would have to be hundreds of events to check them.

[MagicMissile]

Hello,

It is a bit unfortunate that all ports are supply sources. I guess the way it should be is a check that the port can trace to another port and that port is connected to the rail net or something like that.

I dont know if anyone have followed the development of computer World in Flames. Insane supply calculations in that game it took years to get it right.

So Warplan have chosen a simpler and yes maybe completely unrealistic solution but it is what we got. Hopefully something better will come along in WP2. All I can say is which have been true at all times in this games lifetime, if you want to keep a port garrison it .

/MM

[ncc1701e]

True, garrison in every port is the key. Warplan Pacific has already improved things. You can do a port blockade on every port.

But yes, I expect a better solution for WP2. In particular, the treatment of manpower reinforcements from port to port not using any transport ships and not subject to any air / naval interdiction.

[stjeand]

If wanted...I can create the down and dirty event that would solve this...but it could make future issues within the game.

Basically Russia would have to own Riga or Kronstadt and ports on the Baltic would be able to be supplied.

The problem is...that Russia could own Riga and it be out of supply and all the Baltic would be in supply.
Unlikely but possible.
This also breaks Allied supply if Russia does not own those ports, the Allies could not take Denmark and the coast line and receive supply. Again probably a minor and unlikely issue.
There is no event check for a hex to validate it is in main supply.


Let me know if you want me to create it.

[ncc1701e]

I don't understand your point about Riga. I would say if Kronstadt is in Soviet hands, all Baltic ports can be supplied. Otherwise, they can't get anything.

[stjeand]

I don't understand your point about Riga. I would say if Kronstadt is in Soviet hands, all Baltic ports can be supplied. Otherwise, they can't get anything.

My point was if Russia owned Riga OR Kronstadt they could supply the Baltic. Both are very large ports.

[ncc1701e]

Understood

[PanzerMike]

I think an argument can be made that if Kronstadt falls, a flag can be set that ensures that all the Baltic ports are permanently suppressed for the Soviets from then onwards. I think that IRL the finite number of ships in the Baltics would have been destroyed in such an event. I mean, where else would they go? Even if Kronstadt is retaken, how could the Soviets realistically replenish ships in the Baltic?

Maybe it is a little simplistic, but an event for the fall of Kronstadt shouldn't be that hard to make.

Thoughts?

[ncc1701e]

This is indeed simpler. And, this could be done in the stock game scenario imo.

[stjeand]

Agreed though I think you suppress it from all the Allies.
Not sure you can only say one country.

And that might hamper the US / UK near the end of the war...though if they control the Baltic, Germany is already lost.

[AlvaroSousa]

That's the issue. There are too many ways that I can set this up so it doesn't hamper the Allies if they control X places.

Then what if the Soviets control Leningrad during the summer.

But as I type I think I came up with a solution.

Allies have to control Either Helsinki or Leningrad. Why? Finns had a minefield preventing ship movement in the East and the Germans had one in the West.

I think that is the solution.