Two questions / observations

[Nimrod84]

Thank you for the hard work, I'm really enjoying the new update.

There are three things I've noticed starting a new 1943 campaign as the Allies that I'm questioning.

1. Sq 617 seems to have the standard Lanc III loadout rather than the Tallboys (my bad really 12,000lbs HC). Was this intentional? I'm not seeing anything noted in the OOB changelog for the change in bomb load.

2. This has consistently repeated... When Allied bomber groups switch to their secondary target, the lead unit immediately attacks the secondary target (I do not think this is weather check on the secondary target at this point). If there are additional bombing units the formation then flies over to the secondary target and the following units then attack the secondary if weather permits. I have seen the lead unit take out flak at a 2ndary target while at the primary. This seems non-intentional, and potentially exploitable (I haven't tested it, but I'm tempted to fly my Typhons in bad weather with secondary targets in Berlin) so I'm pointing it out.

3. I'm generally enjoying the FS ability to strafe airfields with no-known AC on them. I'm often able to get an attack on the ingress or egress of the FS along with the attack that comes with its patrol at the target point. However, I've had a couple of bouts of looped attacks with nothing destroyed on the ground with increasing numbers of fighters being taken down by flak. My question is are the repeated FS strafing attacks intentional and if so does moral play a major role in the additional attacks?

I'm going to throw a 4th thing in, but I'm going from memory so I could be full of it...
4. It looks like the max range in the electronic warfare guide for the Allied AI sets might be off from what is reported in the game. I recall that the guide notes a max range for 4 miles for the later AI sets, while in game I think they are reported as 8 miles and the earlier set seems to be half of what is reported in game as well (2mile in the guide vs 4mile in game). Is the guide or in-game range correct?

Thank you again for the update!

[warshipbuilder]

1 - First tallboy bomb to be dropped was a couple of days after the Normandy landings. Hence 617 in 1943 would not be equipped with them.

[Johntxic]

ISTR 617's Lancs had the 10,000lb HC blast-bomb as main armament before the latest patch.

Also - have you noticed that 139's Mossies no longer have their pair of 500lb bombs, and now have an all-incendiary load?

[Nimrod84]

Hi Warship and John,

I thought I had restarted in 2021 at patch .47 and I had done the incremental updates like .59. When Matrix says they recommend starting a new game, I've re-started... I'm guessing old data didn't get updated during an update...

I do apologize for my confusion. In my abandoned game I'm showing sq 617 having an 12,000lbs HC bomb. I knew it was 12,000lbs so when typing my message and I wrongly assumed given its weight that it was the Tallboy.

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Current patch .66 load-out:

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John, I have noticed that sq 139 has the standard pathfinder load-out of incendiaries. I think the HE load is more meaningful on deep nuisance / distraction raids or for going after spot targets within city limits using GEE. The change in load out for sq 139 was expected, but not really welcomed by me. I was hopeing that one could toggle the load-out from HE to incendiaries like some other units (is it Strillings, P-38, P-47, etc...) The light night bomber units with HE filled a solid role for me, especially as they lack OBOE and the experience to be a good pathfinder.

Regarding my earlier note 4. Here are pictures showing the radar range discrepancy (not that it really matters, I'm thinking in-game data should be correct):

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[simovitch]

The data that shows up on the weapons database is from the game data so that should be more accurate. I'll look into it.

update: Actually the data multipliers bring it closer to 2 miles so I would trust the manual. I remember now - the weapons display used the wrong multiplier for radar, I'm not sure why the designers added this multiplier to the data numbers, but it makes life difficult. I'll make sure it's cleaned up for the next patch.

Regarding secondary targets I'm not clear, do you mean the message displays "bombing secondary target" while the lead bomber is still at the primary target? Do you have a save game before that happens?

[Johntxic]

Re your last point: yes, I am getting the "bombing secondary target" report whilst the lead bomber is still over the original target. I have had, on occasions, a report of damage inflicted.


Also, there is still the odd occurrence of the "Boomerang Bomber" issue, where the bomber stream heads back to the original target after having bombed the secondary.

[simovitch]

I found the issue with the premature notification of the secondary target, it is fixed now. I'm not seeing the boomerang issue, even my test missions before the fix; everyone went to the proper exit way point after bombing.

[Johntxic]

Simo,


I'll send you a Save next time they boomerang - would you care to pm me your e-mail address?




Cheers,


John