For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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Midway in the Channel
In September 1939, another skirmish was fought between the opposing fleets, a lone French torpedo bomber flying off Marseillaise managed to slip through British defenses and hit Ramillies' sister and class namesake, Empress of India. The old TPS failed to stop any of the blast, which directed to the aft magazines, which promptly detonated. Otherwise, the battle did not go in the French favor, two battleships and a carrier were damaged by bombs from land based aircraft, and two divisions of destroyers ran directly into a dense British minefield, losing 4/12 vessels. Two more French destroyers were lost to gunfire in the skirmishing(to one British), and a seventh French destroyer was sunk by an aerial torpedo from the British carrier Colossus

Realizing the losses in these skirmish actions were unsustainable, and hoping to end the war before the Germans could be convinced to join the British side, the French high command came up with a plan. A good portion of the French light carriers and battle forces would sail to the Mediterranean, and forces would skirmish off the coast of Egypt, driving fears among the British of an attempt to take the Suez canal. After British home fleet assets sailed through the Strait of Gibraltar to ward off this fake attempt, Morier would take the French fleet carriers and strike hard at the remaining British home fleet, their carriers suspected to be still forward deployed at Portsmouth. On November 12, 8 French fleet carriers, a light carrier, and many escorts slipped out of their camouflaged berths in port, and headed towards the channel. Ahead of the main force were a small group of 3 light cruisers and 6 destroyers, intended to provoke a British response to the raid. And that they did-at 14:00, a ND.118 B Floatplane from the cruiser Jules Ferry spotted a British carrier force sailing out of Portsmouth, with 4 carriers, 3 very large warships, and numerous escorts. The French strikes, already spotted on the decks of the French carrier force, took off heading Northeast.

As the first strike wave approached, Blackburn Peregrines fighter from 4 of Britain's 5 Implacable class carriers, the pride of their fleet, were rapidly scrambled to intercept, but were far too late. France's Breguet 142 fighter was state of the art, a full 47 knots faster than the 2 year old British fighters, and with only 26 enemy fighters above the British fleet the French escorts were able to carve a path through the defending combat air patrol, allowing MB.138 torpedo bombers space to complete perfect anvil attacks while F.136B dive bombers began their bombing runs.
The heavy cruiser Cumberland was the first to go. As she opened up with her heavy anti-aircraft battery on the French torpedo bombers, desperately defending her carrier Malta, dive bombers from Joffre and Bois Bellau struck her 4 times. One thousand pound SAP bombs were merely fused by her thin 1.5" deck, and two of the bombs punched through to the bottom of her engine room, breaking her keel and dooming her to a slow fate, while a third struck B turret, causing a conflagration that blew out both her forward barbettes.
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Three of the four British carriers would never get a full combat air patrol up.
Africa was hit first, three thousand pound bombs holing her flight deck, she would not regain flight operations before being disabled by a French torpedo in the second wave, and was then hit by 3 more torpedoes and 2 more bombs in the third French strike.
Malta's flight deck survived slightly longer, but the initial misses on her directed the aircraft of 3 more French carriers upon her. Hit by 5 torpedoes and 4 bombs, she would be abandoned even before the second strike arrived.
Colossus was only hit by a single bomb in the first strike, although fires would prevent air operations for some time. The second wave, quite unfortunately, arrived just as she attempted to get fighters up. A second 1000lb bomb detonated in the elevator as a fighter was being raised, the spilling avgas and exploding ammunition caused a firestorm in the hangar, detonating the strike aircraft being prepared behind the fighters. She would be abandoned, and later sunk by torpedoes from Rochambeau and land based MB.138s
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In contrast to her sisters, Implacable was giving quite a good showing. Her AA downed 4 french strike aircraft, and after dodging many bombs and torpedoes, she sent a strike following the French first wave back. Joined on the way by British land based aircraft, they did quite a bit of damage. Whitley dive bombers hit the AA destroyer Enseigne Roux twice, sinking her, and the carrier La Fayette was hit once, although she was quickly back in action. Later in the afternoon additional British land based air power continued to hit the withdrawing French force, damaging a battleship, 5 cruisers, and 2 destroyers. Implacable would lose fully half of her airgroup this day, but would shoot down 15 French aircraft, her small CAP saving what was left of the British fleet.

By this time, the second French strike was well on its way. Implacable's luck finally ran out, a bomb punching through to the hangar and destroying 5 aircraft-although flight operations were able to be resumed, she quickly ran for the cover of Portsmouth, mainly driven by the destruction of her escorts. The battleship Resolution and the AA cruiser Curacoa were repeatedly hit and eventually sank
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A battleship, 2 cruisers, and 6 destroyers were also damaged to varying extents by the French strikes, and two merchant ships in the channel were sunk. The tip of the British spear had been broken, but not without considerable losses on the French side. Against the stiff resistance of modern British anti-aircraft fire, 23 MB.138s and 11 F.136s were shot down, mostly by 5" shells. Another 26 aircraft were shot down, 34 were badly damaged and written off, and 15 in the third strike wave were forced to ditch when they missed the carrier force at dusk. Still, sinking three British carriers and decapitating the Airgroup of another left the French fleet in an extremely advantageous position, with 7 fleet carriers facing off against the now lonely Victorious and some light carriers in the Atlantic.
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Following the battle, the British carrier force in the Mediterranean rapidly sailed home. With only 6 ~50 aircraft Furious class CVs in addition to the two surviving Implacables, the Royal Navy, despite it's massive superiority in battleline units, now lacked the ships needed to compete with the French fleet in modern combat. With no carrier designs even under construction, and no will to lose more battleline units to aerial ambush, the British could not fight on. On the French side, fears Germany would join the British and cause another world war tempered the more ambitious admirals who wished to see the British battleline at the bottom of the Channel. By mid-December, the two nations had come to an agreement, and Europe was again at peace.
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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Arms Race
The decisive turn in the Franco-British war of 1939 kicked off a massive international naval race until the present(1945), as navies around the world adjusted to the new anti-ship abilities of air power. Compared to their 1930s loadouts, by 1945 many French warships are carrying twice as many anti-aircraft weapons, and much more efficient ones. On many warships the refits, if funds allowed, consolidated secondary batteries to double mounts or a uniform 5" battery, allowing additional space for more guns.
The upgrades to the battlecruiser Marseille are a great representation of these changes
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The development of Air Search Radar also spurred the creation of surface search radar, and although the Marine Nationale has not been at the tip of electronic development, most French ships were steadily upgraded with newer radar sets, and starting in 1943 many ship had their superstructures reconfigured to support electro-optical fire control and larger radars, including a fairly immature radar fire control system.

In this period, the French navy also added 3 new fleet carriers, 2 battlecruisers, 2 heavy cruisers, 4 light cruisers, 30 fleet destroyers, 20 escort destroyers, and 6 colonial corvettes to it's ranks, while decommissioning its oldest battleships and battlecruisers to pay for the expansion.

While world powers struggled to develop counters to aircraft, their capabilities continued to expand. Armor piercing bombs and skip bombing tactics mean that no ship, no matter how armored or maneuverable, should try and fight aircraft without fighter cover anymore. In September 1943, the French fleet introduced a new 5" rocket, giving it's fighters accurate strike capabilities against shipping. A year later, a perhaps more impactful change occurred-a ND.144 Medium Bomber squadron was equipped with anti-ship guided bombs for the first time, giving French land based airpower much greater anti-capital ship capability. VHF Radios, Ejection Seats, and Electronic Bomb Sights also all found their way onto French aircraft in 1943-1944. The final, and perhaps greatest, development was the Dewoitine D.172. Powered by two jet engines, it has a max speed of 498 knots, and although it lacks drop tanks, its range is otherwise similar to the more conventual LeO.166 carrier fighter(1944). The D.172 is the fastest aircraft in the world. The second fastest is the LeO.166, at 389 knots. If our intelligence is correct, the third fastest is the USN's Tigercat, which ca do around 320 knots. The Germans fastest operational fighter, our primary competitor, comes in at only 280 knots, slower than our prototype Potez 180 land based bombers(Which can carry 4x2000lb AP bombs 500 miles away from their land bases).

The carrier Painleve underwent a heavy conversion in 1944 to be able to efficiently carry the D.172, as shown below. This included a reworked anti-aircraft armament, new catapults and elevators, one of which was moved to the port edge, and a removed conning tower. She can now carry up to 56 jets.
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Strike power in the French carrier force still comes from conventional ND.164 dive bombers and Loire 165 torpedo bombers, chosen for their reliability more than anything else. Their high speed should allow them to get through enemy air defenses, provided the French fighters can sweep away enemy CAP opposition.



Now in 1945, a new crisis is erupting. An alliance between Italy and Germany emboldened both Fascist nations, and at the end of June, Italian forces crossed the border near Nice and assault French positions. The French navy has been mobilized for several months, and many ships have received last minute AA refits to get them up to the most modern weaponry. However, much of the cruiser force remains outdated, as equipping capital ships with radar and AA, and destroyers with radar and ASW Mortars has taken priority. Additionally, 4 carriers, 3 battlecruisers, and 2 light cruiser are undergoing refits of various lengths at the outbreak of war, complicating MN deployment. The French navy outnumbers the Germans and Italians individually, but will have to split its forces between the North Sea and Mediterranean to combat the axis.

Navies of the French and Axis Powers, June 1945(open for full resolution)
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This is every hull larger than a destroyer, I might go back and add names/capabilities at some point but that seemed a daunting task
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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varsovie wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 1:26 am Don't worry, on land you will win this war!

UK can't land forces in Normandy and the Maginot line will stop the Germans flat and Spain will easily storm Gibraltar. :ugeek:

L'AUDACE, ENCORE DE L'AUDACE, ET TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE!

( Seriously you show ship porn, but claim next war will be air focused and not a single word on your planes or Aéronaval :twisted: )
I know, I really want to make some custom equipment pieces for the French aircraft, but want to get to missiles by release. I definitely want to make my fighters Étendards in the 60s, some funky little ASW Alizés could be cool on deck as well.
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Opening actions
14 July 1945, in response to Italian aggression at the border, a French cruiser squadron attacks an Italian force near Nice, managing to sink the destroyer Cassiopea, but an Italian land based bomber manages to score a near miss on D'Estrees, severely damaging her propellers and preventing further pursuit.

The short life of an Italian destroyer
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3 days later, on 17 July, a German-Italian expeditionary force suddenly breaches into Greece from Italian Albania. The French government declares war on Germany the next day, but on 25 July the Greek government surrenders as the 3rd Panzer Division drives into Athens. The new air bases this provides the German air force severely curtail French hopes of an amphibious operation to liberate Albania.

24 August 1945, after a month of skirmishing and submarine warfare claiming light units on both sides, a small French cruiser force finds itself in the North Sea. At 1:50 AM, 3 forward deployed French destroyers, Hoche, Bourrasque, and Volta spot a division of destroyers on their radar scopes. After a quick scan with their new IFF scanners at the top of their mainmast, they determine the contacts are German, and fire a salvo of E44 oxygen powered torpedoes, capable of reaching out to 18,000 yards at 30 knots. 3 minutes later, the Germans pick up the French force on their own scopes, and the four large German destroyers fire salvoes in return over the next few minutes. Due to the different angles, the German torpedoes actually strike first, just as both sides open up with their guns. At 1:55, Volta is hit by a torpedo from Z-132 as she trades fire with Z-131. Losing electric power, she will slip away into the night and eventually make it home, severely damaged. Z-131 is less lucky, as a torpedo from Bourrasque blows her stern off, 10 minutes later she is finished off by a torpedo from the newly arriving Tartu. Z-132, 128, and 180 find themselves in a bloody gunfight with the French destroyers to their port side, just as two French cruisers, Galilee and Jean Bart, arrive at their port side and devastate them with brutally accurate 5 and 6 inch gunfire. None of the German destroyers would make it home, but the Kriegsmarine would have a chance to strike back.

Jean Bart, the oldest serving ship in the French navy, now refitted as an AA cruiser/Destroyer leader
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Escorting the damaged Volta and Bourrasque home, the French force was easily found by German land based BV-128C Naval Patrol Aircraft, equipped with radar and trained to hunt for enemy forces at night. Thus, as dawn broke, 11 He-134 Torpedo Bombers and 7 Ar-129 Medium Bombers arrived over the french cruiser force. The first group of 6 He-134s was equipped with HS-295 anti-ship missiles, a modified version of the original HS-293, equipped with a smaller 400 pound high explosive warhead. Galilee was their unfortunate target-the missiles accelerated to over 500 knots, and although 5 would miss their target, one would hit just abreast her engine room, the huge blast extinguishing her boilers as fragments of her shattered 3” belt flew through them, and fires broke out amidships.

Galilee, stricken by a German missile
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As the stricken French cruiser slowed to a halt, the second group of 5 torpedo bombers closed, equipped with their normal torpedo loadout. The escorting Tartu opened up with her 5” guns, blasting one out of the air and damaging another, forcing them to abort. The remaining three managed to drop their torpedoes, one of which struck Galilee just forward of A turret, breaking the bow clean off. The other French ship circled around Galilee, as her crew desperately attempted to stem the flooding, and the undamaged destroyer Glaive slowed down to assist her. At this point, the 7 German Medium bombers, hiding above a cloud layer, moved in and fired their Fritz-X guided bombs at the almost stationary French warship. Luckily for the French sailors, they’d fired from too far away, and 6 of the Fritz-Xs splashed harmlessly in the water. The seventh, though, made it just far enough to hit the poor Glaive on her port side, and the 1600lb Armor Piercing warhead went clean through the ship, passing through her engine rooms and disabling them, before detonating in the water on the starboard side of the destroyer. She too would limp home, heavily damaged. Although no French ships had been lost this day, 3 had been severely damaged, and the realization of how powerful the German naval aviation arm scared the French high command, as only a small number of German aircraft had disabled a fairly well armed cruiser force, using their new guided weapons.

Galilee, severely damaged, managed to make it home to Dunkerque
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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I'm a bit disappointed to see the battle AI is just as dumb as it was before. Especially this war with the British. Wow they just totally sucked lol.

Not too big of a deal, still very interested in the game and this AAR
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owe166 wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 12:30 am I'm a bit disappointed to see the battle AI is just as dumb as it was before. Especially this war with the British. Wow they just totally sucked lol.

Not too big of a deal, still very interested in the game and this AAR
With the war with the British I think they performed tactically quite acceptably with the ships they had, their battle line was a bit slower than mine, but a full fleet action in the Atlantic probably would have gone badly for me based on the few fleet skirmishes I had(not covered here due to time constraints before release). In multiple actions in the war they drove me back to port but only managed to damage my ships. The damage ratios were not in my favor-part of the reason I accepted the peace agreement was having 2 battleships, 2 battlecruisers, 3 cruisers, and a carrier still under repair after the "Midway" action, which was costing me so much I had to gut the research budget to find the funds to repair them. I'd also moved all of my slow ships to the Mediterranean, so if I'd ever gotten caught in a fleet battle there that could have gone horribly and turned the VP advantage I had around. The few actions where I had a numbers advantage I just pushed the British hard, and managing to save a carrier despite being outnumbered 2-1, with inferior aircraft, was somewhat impressive on their part. And of course in first engagement they actually almost sunk my flagship with an old WWI battleship, which surprised the hell out of me.
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Clash of the cruiser screens
27 September, 1945

Amiral Touchard aboard the carrier Foch was leading a force of 8 carriers on a raid in the north sea. At 05:00 the fleet was 30 miles West of the Norwegian coast, heading south. Amiral Robin, an experienced cruiser commander of the last war, lead a forward screen aboard the heavy cruiser Leon Gambetta 20 miles southwest of the carrier. At 5:16 a radar operator aboard the following Potha reported enemy contacts southwest-range, 18,000 yards. As light dimly illuminated both sides, the large French screening force of 3 battlecruisers, 6 heavy cruisers, and 3 light cruisers found themselves facing only 3 each of German heavy and light cruisers. Both sides fired salvoes of long range torpedoes as French 15” and 16” shells flew a dozen miles to straddle the German ships. The smaller Kriegsmarine force stood little chance, but managed to get one good hit in. Just as another German torpedo salvo forced the French ships to temporarily turn east, a 10” shell from the cruiser Frankfurt smashed into the bridge of Pothau, killing all of her officers including Capitain Payan. Pothau, out of control, drove past the German fleet far ahead of the French force, managing to close to small arms range with the damaged cruiser Yorck and finish her off with local fire from her 8” guns and a salvo of torpedoes. However, as dawn breaks, the XO, finally regaining control, found himself facing 5 German cruisers to his east, as the German destroyers fended off rescue attempts from the main French cruiser screen. By the time Robin’s force broke through, Pothau was abandoned and burning. Revenge was swift, under the heavy fire of the French cruisers and distant plunging fire from the battlecruisers, the remaining 5 German cruisers were struck, disabled, and sunk one by one as they flee, along with 2 escorting destroyers.

The charge of Pothau
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Air cover was ineffective all day due to passing storms, but both sides get one flight on target, the Germans lose some 37 aircraft from the heavy CAP around Touchard’s force, although mostly from regular fighters, Foch’s D.172’s, with pilots adjusting to the new aircraft, and limited in both numbers and operations ability by the new but non-upgraded carrier, only manage to lose one jet to a German escort, while the LeO.166 prop fighters score 34 kills for 9 losses. The French aircraft missed the German carriers, but some found the German battle force, sinking 2 destroyers and damaging a battleship with torpedoes.

D.172s over the fleet
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Texel Turkey Shoot
19 November, 1946
After almost a year and a half of fierce fighting, Amiral Morier is exhausted. As the French Atlantic Fleet heads into the North Sea yet again, they hope to break the bloody stalemate that has fallen over Europe. The Axis is certainly getting the worst of the attrition, but France needs a victory, and soon, or the superior budgets of the Axis may overcome the temporary advantage France has fought so hard for.

In the last year, a few surprising developments have occurred. French ASW has proven extremely capable, with the pre-war 60 strong Axis submarine fleet proving quite vulnerable. The Italians lay down some 80 new submarines during the war, hoping their new designs will fare better

By the end of 1946, only 9 axis submarines are operational, their attempt at an unrestricted submarine warfare campaign is met by second generation ASW mortars aboard French surface vessels, and guided ASW torpedoes launched from Naval Patrol Aircraft and carrier based torpedo bombers.
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German carrier fighters have, up to this point, proven more than capable in taking on French pilots head on, and both German and Italian AA has taken a severe toll whenever French strike power has been brought to bear, especially unescorted land based bombers, which were expected to be able to protect themselves.

Most of the victories the French have scored have been deep in the Atlantic, where often no carrier or land based aircraft can be brought to bear, in single or division actions ranging all down the western seaboard of Europe. The modern, and well integrated French fast forces have repeatedly triumphed over equivalent numbers of German or Italian battlegroups attempting to hold the blockade lines, so much so that 2 months ago the Germans finally abandoned the idea. French intelligence believes that Germany is now trying to concentrate its forces for a decisive battle in the North Sea, before reinstituting a blockade to close off French supply lines to the land conflict. And so, on the evening of 18 November, Morier sails northeast from Brest with the combined French battle and carrier fleet, hopeful for victory, with a new card up his sleeve.

Losses so far in "WWII", October 1946, the Axis battleline and cruiser forces have taken heavy losses, but their carriers remain untouched.
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The surprise the French have in store comes in two sizes. On the smaller end, there is the AM-45 lightweight anti-ship missile, designed to replace 1500 lb bombs on dive and torpedo bombers, carrying a 500lb warhead. The AM-46 heavyweight anti-ship missile, launched exclusively from Potez 180 Medium Bombers, carries a larger 1000lb warhead out to much greater range. Independently developed, but inspired by the German missiles that have been so irritating to French forces this last year, both were tested operationally last month, and a supply of about 70 AM-45s is available on board Morier’s 9 flattops, with a similar store of AM-46s at air bases in Northern France. The French intelligence service has also put a significant amount of effort into electronic warfare, and it’s expected that the German HS-295s can now be jammed, while they will have absolutely no counters to the new French missiles for some time.
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Unbeknownst to Morier, the Germans have a surprise of their own, 28 Carrier based HS.140 Light Jet Fighters, their hopeful counter to the French D.172b fighters. However, Moriers force has 113 of the now upgraded and more reliable fighter, with 20 more sitting at Dunkirk ready to escort the dozens of naval bombers stationed there.

Every air action so far in the war has been indecisive-despite so many other ships now resting at the bottom, no carrier has yet been sunk, although many have been damaged. This first clash of jets may change things.

The light carrier Dauphine burns, damaged by an Italian carrier strike on her task force in January
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As dawn breaks on the coast of Texel around 07:30, Morier’s 8 battleline units find themselves skirmishing with the radar blips of German screening units, and eventually engaging with 5 of the 10 remaining German battlecruisers. Having learned their lesson on surface action from past engagements, the German units retire North, calling out to their carriers and land bases for air support.

However, French floatplane scouts have already found a straggling German light carrier, and a massive strike wave is heading towards the expected location of the German carrier force.
The 10 German flattops, 5 light and 5 heavy, are an incredible threat, carrying their own stockpile of anti-ship missiles and capable aircraft. It is not, however, what it should be. Luckily for Morier, 4 of the German fleet carriers are under repair or maintenance, and they are filling the gap with the light carriers. The German CAP, thus, also is lacking today, even with the addition of the new jet fighters. The French escorts make contact about 8:20, fifty minutes after the first contacts to the South, and carve through the German CAP. Today, the D.172Bs, on escort, and CAP duty, would score 44 confirmed kills of German aircraft, while incredibly taking no losses.

D.172s on patrol
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The German fighters do not flee. Despite losing in the air to both conventional and jet French fighters, they push their attacks against the French bomber squadrons, causing painful amounts of casualties all day.
This morning though, the French forces break through, and follow the attack plan rehearsed so many times. In between the attack group and the large formation of enemy carriers sits a number of German escorts, and a significant portion of the group’s missiles are fired at the AA escorts. The German captains, at this point, expect nothing. As the first salvo is fired at the outermost escorts, the old destroyer Z-66 is hit first, two AM-45s punching into her engine rooms amidships. The combined thousand pounds of explosives shatters her hull, and she is abandoned immediately. 5 more German destroyer pickets are hit in the next few minutes. 4 of them are hit along the hull, each one will be abandoned over the next few hours from flooding and fire, the blast easily perforating many compartments of the thinly constructed ships. Z-62 is the lucky exception, the missile detonates in her aft spotting station, killing most of the crew of X turret but leaving the rest of the ship surprisingly intact.

With a huge hole in the line of destroyers protecting the German ships, ND.174 dive bombers and Loire 165 Torpedo bombers continue to close, and fire another salvo at the center circle of cruisers, battlecruisers, and aircraft carriers. The old battlecruiser Graf Spee is hit by two AM-45s to the belt and Y turret, while they both fail to penetrate, the shock of the thousand pound blast disables the turret for a half hour. Karlsruhe would bounce a missile off her belt, but the older Bremen is hit broadside, the 2” belt collapsing as the blast fills her engine rooms. She will later be finished off by French gunfire, along with 2 more light cruisers(one Italian) who tried to protect her. Karlsruhe would not survive either, an 1000lb AP bomb amidships dooming her. Rostock is also hit, but manages to retire.

Finally, the French missiles reach their intended targets, the German carriers. The light carrier Salzach is hit 3 times on her side, one abreast the hangar, and burns for an hour before being abandoned. The fleet carrier Roon is also hit 3 times, the first hit igniting a conflagration that dooms her, the burning hulk being sunk later in the day by a half dozen more conventional hits. Lastly, Roon’s sister Windeck is hit twice, the first hit obliterating her conning tower and wiping out the senior officers. Windeck proves exceptionally survivable, as the French force now switches to its dive and torpedo bombing portion of the attack, mainly falling on the two fleet carriers. Hit by 2 torpedoes, a 1000 lb AP bomb to her hangar, and a near miss, Windeck will actually manage to get both fire and flooding under control by 10:16. 9 Minutes later though, her luck runs out, and two torpedoes from French land-based bombers execute the poor ship. The first French strike also disabled the battlecruisers Moltke and Hindenburg with torpedoes and 2 more destroyers with bombs. The light cruiser Strassburg is especially unlucky, as she hits a mine while avoiding the French strike, and is then hit by an AP bomb and sunk.

Just as the Germans are recovering from the first French strike wave, the land based bombers from Dunkerque, under heavy jet escort, arrive and fire off their missiles before commencing torpedo runs. The escort destroyer Z-148 is just broken in half by the first combat use of the AM-46, while Z-201 is severely damaged. One also finds its way to the slowed battlecruiser Moltke, but her 11” belt defeats the missile.


The Germans at this point have managed to get their own strike up, but it is absolutely chewed up by the well prepared French CAP, which is coordinated using fighter directors aboard air-search equipped picket destroyers. Two of Roons dive bombers manage to make it through to damage Catinat with 500lb bombs(She would not make it home due to a mine strike), while the battleships Republique and Diderot manage to shrug off an AP bomb and an HS-295 missile, respectively. In exchange, at least 82 German strike aircraft and numerous escorts are downed.

The second French strike, now equipped exclusively with conventional weapons, finds a weary German force, with many ships already damaged, and a withered CAP. The CVL Isar is hit by a torpedo, then 3 thousand pound bombs, then 2 more bombs in a third wave. Despite the valiant damage control efforts of the crew, she will founder just after 21:00, 7 hours after she is last hit. The fleet carriers Grunow and Blankensee are both hit by 2 thousand pound AP bombs, disabling their flight operations temporarily and forcing retreat, without threatening the loss of either ship. A flight of torpedo bombers from Rochambeau would hit the light carrier Schwentine with three perfect hits at 11:04, with their unfortunate target capsizing an hour later. The CVL Vils is disabled by a single bomb, but survives. The final German operational light carrier, Dinkel, manages to shoot down 6 attacking aircraft before she is hit, but is then repeatedly subjected to dive bombing hits, before being sunk by an aerial torpedo. Somehow, the German flagship Horstdof would survive the battle undamaged, but her 111 aircraft airgroup is decimated.


The Germans, by the time they retired, lacked any semblance of the proud striking force that had gone to sea. 6 of their 10 carriers were sunk(2CV, 4CVL), 3 more were damaged. 6 Cruisers were sunk and 2 were damaged, while 9 destroyers were sunk with 7 damaged. One battlecruiser was lost while two were more severely damaged. 454 German aircraft were lost, 181 of those in combat. The loss ratios are truly astounding for the German strike squadrons, 130 out of 190 carrier dive and torpedo bombers had been lost. 8 German Medium Bombers had taken off to attack the French force with glide bombs-6 had been shot down and 1 was written off.

24 of the 28 new German jets had been lost, although 22 of those were on sunk carriers, and only 2 were shot down by French D.172s. Their 9:2 debut kill ratio would have been celebrated by the German high command, if it wasn’t in the context of the massive defeat and the 44:0 French jets.


In exchange, the French would lose Catinat, 4 destroyers and 2 cruisers damaged in the surface action, and 121 aircraft, 40 of those to heavy German AA fire.

All told, 35 German ships had been put out of action compared to 7 French ships. Scoring almost 20 missile hits from carrier and land based bombers, the mix of surprise, better electronic warfare, and a complete lack of German countermeasures has led to incredible success for the first generation French missiles. It’s safe to say that the French now have a decisive advantage in the North Sea, so the question now is to use it to box in and cripple the German navy further, or send some of the forces south to crush the Italian carrier force. The experience at Texel also inspired some new developments for the French navy, which should enhance our abilities in both surface and air action.

French tech developments, November 1946
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Apologies for the lack of visuals for the battle in this post, when I looked back I guess I was not saving most of them properly, and can't find the screenshots now. Instead, here's a wartime refit of the cruiser Chanzy
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She was damaged and was gonna be out of action for 4 months, so I decided to refit her instead. Secondary suite was totally replaced for 8 double autoloading 80mm mounts, basically doubling her heavy AA ability, in addition to having the 8 new radar directed 30mm mounts . There's also an ASW mortar added, and torpedo reloads for the new deck tubes.
Unfortunately only made it up to radar level 3, as I didn't want to refit in the (friendly) USA who has level 4, but lacks my anti-aircraft technology. Also notice the 8 little RMAA graphics, this can be done by placing 2" mounts in the editor
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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To Missile Cruisers
Over the winter and spring of 47', a lower intensity of warfare was observed across the seas around Europe as the Italian and German navies accepted that the French now had control of the sea. An Italian light cruiser was sunk in January by AM-46s and torpedoes from French land based bombers, and several more Italian ships were lost in February and March to French forces. By April, the Axis have their reply.

In apparently a joint development between the German and Italian navies, their ships are rapidly equipped with a new form of radar fire control. In June, Moriers Atlantic Fleet for the first time finds itself outmatched against a smaller German force, a horrible fog in the North Sea allowing the Kriegsmarine battlecruisers to deal out blows with only inaccurate French fire in return. The French destroyer divisions are all that allows the MN's battle fleet to escape. It was thought to be a depressing defeat, until it was found via French Intelligence that some of the explosions hidden by the fog, believed to be a German destroyer being hit, were actually the magazines aboard Derfflinger and Hindenburg flash-firing. Derfflinger would break up after her forward magazines detonate, Hindenburg would make it home missing both rear turrets.

Always armor your turrets!
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Despite this lucky break, the Marine Nationale's inability to fight the now repaired Axis battle fleet means the blockade is broken, and both sides again contest the seas

In June, negotiations between the French and allied Spanish governments produced a lend lease agreement-Spain would not join the war against the axis, but would provide 7 older destroyers to France, enough at least to replace the Spring losses. Each of them immediately went into refit given their state, and will enter active service in November, 1947.

While most of the spanish destroyers had simple refits, the newest T4 had an interesting design to say the least. With Spanish government approval she is converted into an AA destroyer
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Simultaneously, AA refits continue to roll out to French vessels, hopefully providing enough firepower to make a difference in the next fleet action.

The oldest French fleet carrier Bearn, with her new autoloading, radar aimed 2" and 3" guns
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In July, a new and hopefully decisive weapon enters the French arsenal-the MM-46 cruise missile. Essentially a AM-46 with a booster attached, the missile is flown using a telescopic sight and radio control, each launcher connected to a joystick and display aboard the firing ships CIC. Unable to be used in night or bad weather, and only able to reach out to 25,000 yards, the missile has some severe limitation, but still offers even smaller French ships the ability to hit an enemy rapidly at range. The cruiser Jurien de la Graviere is the first testbed for the MM-46, with 4 launchers replacing her wing 5" mounts, angled upwards at 30 degrees, and a box behind each pair contains 4 additional reloads of the huge missile.

The first missile cruiser
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The flight 2 Tonkinois class destroyers, at least the 5 of them that are left, are also due for refit in July, and are modified to carry 4 tubes running down the sides of the ship, the aft pair also having boxes for 2 more stored missiles. In order to make space and weight for the upgrades, she lands a twin 4" mount, one of her torpedo launchers, and all of her AA suite, but space is found for an automatic 2" mount to give them back some AA capability.

DDG
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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CMagras wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 9:39 pm [snip]
Unfortunately only made it up to radar level 3, as I didn't want to refit in the (friendly) USA who has level 4, but lacks my anti-aircraft technology.
Radar needs a refit now?

EDIT: Also, you bought (were loaned?) Spanish destroyers?
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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Spanish trying to make superlight cruisers there. I've done similar but mine don't usually have secondaries that big or that numerous. And on only 1800t no less! Interesting.

Seeing those H-SSMs getting retroslapped on a couple of cruisers and destroyers gets me all giddy. All during wartime as well. Groovy!
If the results from your air strike against the German navy says anything about the quality of your missiles then I foresee great results from the ship based variety.
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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Adseria wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 3:29 am
CMagras wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 9:39 pm [snip]
Unfortunately only made it up to radar level 3, as I didn't want to refit in the (friendly) USA who has level 4, but lacks my anti-aircraft technology.
Radar needs a refit now?

EDIT: Also, you bought (were loaned?) Spanish destroyers?
Radar in RTW3(Honestly can't remember how much of this in 2), consists of capacity as well as the radar sets. In the designer, you set the capacity, which runs from 2(Free) to 6(Very expensive). This costs weight and money, but not only provides you with the capacity for radar sets, but also further topside load capacity via superstructure expansion and counterweighting. You can build your ships up to 1 level above your current technology(IE currently I have Improved Search and Early Blind Fire, which are both level 2, so I can build my ships with level 3 radar capacity.

Then, as you research radar technologies, you get a stockpile of up to date radar sets, which are installed via the old radar system from RTWII.


And on the lend lease, I'm not sure exactly what happens from here, but I asked them for help and they gave me seven destroyers
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A final pre-release post
As we wait in the final ~7 hours before release, wanted to give you guys something to read while we wait. Post-release I'll keep updating this in the next few weeks, but probably at a slightly lower pace(bi-weekly?). Might even stream some missile age battles when I get into the next war, if there's an interest.

Before we get into it though, I want to send a big thanks to Fredrik, William, all of the NWS Team and Beta testers, and the Matrix team for getting this wonderful game where it is today. I bought my first game from NWS almost a decade ago, and finally picked up RTWII in 2019, before getting fairly active in the modding community. William and Fredrik invited me to join the NWS Beta team as a volunteer this January, and among some other cool things I've gotten to do the graphics overhaul for land bases. Using the new graphics system there's incredible potential for what can be drawn for your ships, bases, and aircraft, and even with the huge feature improvements and extended timeline, it's probably my favorite part of the new game. I hope you all enjoy Rule the Waves 3 as much as I have, and I look forward to it's future-the development team and all of you players have formed an amazing community.

The fall of the Axis
As several more actions claimed cruisers on both sides in the summer of 1947, all three navies prepared for a final confrontation. Most painful to the MN was the loss of the veteran Victor Hugo and her experienced captain Saint-Andre, killed by a conning tower hit during single action with the German raider Danzig.
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The French finally developed a counter to German radar, as new radar fire control sets were distributed throughout the fleet. On October 18, Morier finally got a chance to punish the German heavy raiding forces that had been driving the French back all year. Although fuel shortages kept some of his cruisers and heavy ships at home, a large destroyer force covering his 3 heavy ships and 5 cruisers. The advantage of the new technology was decisive-that night, although 2 French destroyers were lost to gunfire, and 2 more to German torpedoes, all 17 German ships would be sunk by radar directed gunfire and E-45 oxygen powered torpedoes.
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The German admiral aboard the flagship Blucher would watch helplessly as a high powered 16" salvo from Diderot punched through her insufficient "turtleback" armor, detonating the 15" magazines and killing all aboard.
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The next month, the Italians sent a carrier fleet south of Sicily attempting to break the French blockade. But the French had now been reinforced given the state of the German fleet. Without any surface contact, the French obliterated the Italian force with heavy airstrikes. New Macchi M.112 Italian jet fighters performed well, but not well enough, as French aircraft were able to break through and knock out 4 carriers, only one of which would make it home. Once again, French anti-ship missiles disabled the Axis carriers, which were then sunk by bomb and torpedo strikes
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Italian fighter pilots performed better than their German counterparts at Texel 10 months ago, but lacked the numbers to stop the French strikes
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The Italian flagship Sparviero, converted from a ~65 aircraft CV to carry 40 jets, was disabled by 3 AM-45s and finshed off by French torpedoes
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After these two battles, it seem the enemy public realized how badly they had become disadvantaged, and a Communist revolution in Italy led to the collapse of the Axis(and gave Italy a cool new flag). Greece was once again independent, but the French were allowed a permanent presence to guarantee its security, while both Italy and Germany made reparations to France.
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It's actually the first time in a while that I've played a late 1940s war, and I think it showed how powerful even individual technological advancements get late game. I'd go for months losing battles due to enemy advancements(although I was generally able to save my ships better than the AI), but the development of new radar, and especially the introduction of missiles, led to absolutely crushing victories. RTW3 actually tracks how many missile hits have been scored, so I'd imagine this is about to start a post Eliat sinking style missile arms race. When I show the next war in game, I expect anti-missile measures will be much more capable, but for now, the missiles "rule the waves".

In December, I received this breakdown of aircraft shot down by my forces, and a new technological development, the introduction of naval helicopters.
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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Thanks for thr AAR, I hope you'll continue it a bit. I told you the Maginot line was impregnable! Now if you could build a fortified camp at Dien Bien Phu to make sure those asian upstarts know that Indochina is French forever and a huge naval facility at Mers-el-Kébir to project our hegemony in Africa... :twisted: Vive la France! Vive la quarante_deuxième république!

Since we discusse here of game mechanics, I've got a little question about AA (flak). IRL ship (or land) based AA didn't "kill" a lot of airplanes, albeit with the radar fuse and radar firecontrol the heavy US dual purpose 6" were becoming quite proficient. (But Yamato's main battery AA canister shot remains to prove)

Their main effects in battle was more to disrupt air attacks, not only by damaging aircrafts and hurting the crews, but also because pilots are more likely to attack at long range or great height by fear of flying in a wall of lead. In a lot of accounts the pilots would concentrate on the least prickly target, or even the first target availlable to avoid passing inside its fire-zone (eg escorting DD).

Is that effect on the attacking force efficiency taken into accounts or are pilots acting like drones? Because your light AA that doesn't kill anything aren't worth it if planes can just ignore it, before missiles era that is. :P

Also how is the airplane "operational attrition", that is every loss not occurred in battle/damage like accidents, managed by the engine? Out of my head in WW2 half the planes were actually lost that way and of course it happens in peace time too. If I remember there is a reliability rating in RTW2. I don't expect (or want) a WITP complexity, but since it would impact both batle and the management aspect of the game, some clarification would be welcome.

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Found out about AA in the manual.
Anti-Aircraft fire has four possible results. Aircraft can be shot down, damaged or made
to abort their attack. AA fire also inflicts disruption on the attacking aircraft formation, which lowers the hit chance of their attack. Note that light AA will always inflict disruption
before aircraft attack, even if their fire takes effect after the aircraft have attacked.
Superstructure damage to ships will lower the number of effective anti-aircraft guns.
I guess the 4th possible result is a "miss". No hard numbers here, but the principles of AA are respected. Of course the "kills" vs "aborts" should become more prevalent with gyros and radars after ww2. And I guess "disruption" means that the AA of one ship also aids the other ships, it being under attack or not.
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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To answer your question regarding operational losses Varsovie, operational losses are represented in this game like in RTW 2 mostly likely. So if it uses the same system for operational losses as RTW 2 then reliability will impact the random operational losses that happen during every battle planes take part in independent of other conditions.. Operational losses can also occur when planes attempt to land at night or in poor weather conditions and likely for other reasons I'm unaware of. Operational losses also tend to make up a significant portion of aircraft losses in pretty much every battle especially early on where operational losses may out number those lost to enemy action. This drops off a lot once aircraft reliability scores increase later in the game but operational losses are still present through out the game and still take out a good chunk of aircraft each battle. I'm sure there's lots I'm missing but this is just my understanding of how it all works.
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