Raiders interned/scuttled regularly even in home waters

[EwaldvonKleist]

I have noted that raiders are interned due to battle damage or fuel shortages very regularly, even if they are operating in home waters or areas with many friendly colonies.
Here is one example of a war against Italy, where my CA is interned in Northern Europe, where I have not only crushing naval superiority, but also my home harbour.
Not sure if this is a bug or a WAD, but it seems off. There also is a MASSIVE difference in the chances to lose a ship on trade protection/raiding after battle damage compared to other modes. If you have a fleet battle near ireland as Germany, your crippled ships will all return home just fine. If you have light damage on a raiding armed cruiser at the same place, it has a decent chance to scuttle or become interned due to battle damge.

[WilliamMiller]

Thanks - We will check on this, but one possibility is that it could have been a string of bad luck if it occurred in one or two game plays?

[EwaldvonKleist]

Thanks - We will check on this, but one possibility is that it could have been a string of bad luck if it occurred in one or two game plays?

I had this happen two or three times in this game alone, and in several other games. I have not done a statistical analysis, but it happens often enough to be noticeable. This includes the difference in scuttle chance between "normal" battle damage and raider interception battle damage.

[Tarhunnas]

Raiders are half as likely to suffer internment/scuttling in home waters.

[EwaldvonKleist]

Raiders are half as likely to suffer internment/scuttling in home waters.

Why are ships scuttling due to fuel shortage at all when you have considerable superiority and can easily send ships to refuel or tug them? And why are even big warships doing this even when they face no noteworthy opposition, so all they need to do is to make proper fuel calculations for their trip?

The examples of German raiders scuttling in WW1 and 2 (which this mechanic probably is based on) happened in sea zones where the German navy was far inferior and had no repair bases to speak off.

Battle damage in raider interception battles also is far more dangerous than in normal battles all things being equal.

My crews seem to take too much inspiration from Asterix's pirate friends:

[brucesim2003]

Raiders are half as likely to suffer internment/scuttling in home waters.

The chance of an undamaged raider interning/scuttling in home waters should be all but non-existent, unless there is a blockade. There is a potential in the current scenario for a US raider on the east coast raiding the UK to get interned - but in who's port?

[whyyyyyyyyy]

i just had 2 lightly damaged raiders (1 cl, 1 ca) get intercepted and scuttled right off my ports in the Caribbean as the Usa, which as far as im aware is one of my home regions because i can reserve ships in it. I made this account just in the hopes that this gets fixed because i feel as though this really has the potential to ruin any small sized fleet games. The chance doesnt feel like 10 or 20 or 50% more likely to scuttle after damage it feels like hundreds of percent more likely. And Please don't just blame bad luck and dismiss this because this isnt the first time it's happened like 6-7 times now, a raider getting lightly damaged happily sailing away at full speed after the encounter and scuttling off my own coast and magically conjuring out a neutral nation. Pls fix lol

[whyyyyyyyyy]

oops

[whyyyyyyyyy]

I just had another raider scuttle itself, except this time it entered port in good condition, i've lost 3 cruisers in small game and none to major enemy action

[MaximKI]

I just had another raider scuttle itself, except this time it entered port in good condition, i've lost 3 cruisers in small game and none to major enemy action

Do you have a save and screenshots that show the issue?

[EwaldvonKleist]

Thank you whyyy, I agree with everything you wrote.

Here is an example: 47k raider BB scuttles in the Mediterranean, where I have several colonies.
(Last turn I sent the BB from Northern Europe to the Med but forgot to turn of raider mode.)

This is simply ridiculous. By RtW raider/trade protection logic, the entire surface Kriegsmarine would have scuttled itself by 1942.

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Edit: I can't upload a save because it is too big. PLS raise upload limit to 20mb

[MaximKI]

Thank you whyyy, I agree with everything you wrote.

Here is an example: 47k raider BB scuttles in the Mediterranean, where I have several colonies.
(Last turn I sent the BB from Northern Europe to the Med but forgot to turn of raider mode.)

This is simply ridiculous. By RtW raider/trade protection logic, the entire surface Kriegsmarine would have scuttled itself by 1942.
11954_scuttling.jpg

Edit: I can't upload a save because it is too big. PLS raise upload limit to 20mb

You can send the save to this email: maxim.k@slitherine.co.uk or you can share a link through a file-sharing service such as WeTransfer or Google Drive.