Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd

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[RangerJoe]

Going back to the atoll invasions, if overstacking causes such severe problems for the attackers, load forces just shy of the 6k stacking limit in separate task forces and label them something like "Round 1", Round 2", and so on with a final one labeled "Occupation and engineering" for a series of invasions of that one atoll. Unloading in one turn, then reloading the next turn while the next wave unloads for their attack. If there is another base or bases nearby with extra support, the invasion units can reform there and repeat as necessary until the base is captured. Bombardment forces can also reload there as well. Both sides can do this depending upon the initiative. Also, stripping out any "soft" elements from armored or armoured forces might also help.

While the Allies have a lot of Large Slow Targets, they also have a lot of Slow But Deadly bombers which were called that during the war.

[BBfanboy]

OK, so the Frances raid missed CVL Jacksonville, but the pic shows Jills attacking - what were the results of that raid?

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OK, so the Frances raid missed CVL Jacksonville, but the pic shows Jills attacking - what were the results of that raid?

All missed

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Going back to the atoll invasions, if overstacking causes such severe problems for the attackers, load forces just shy of the 6k stacking limit in separate task forces and label them something like "Round 1", Round 2", and so on with a final one labeled "Occupation and engineering" for a series of invasions of that one atoll. Unloading in one turn, then reloading the next turn while the next wave unloads for their attack. If there is another base or bases nearby with extra support, the invasion units can reform there and repeat as necessary until the base is captured. Bombardment forces can also reload there as well. Both sides can do this depending upon the initiative. Also, stripping out any "soft" elements from armored or armoured forces might also help.

While the Allies have a lot of Large Slow Targets, they also have a lot of Slow But Deadly bombers which were called that during the war.

You are correct, this is exactly what is happening at Midway currently. The whole 24th div was prepped for Midway. Earlier problems has lead me to split the division into A/B/C. If you look closely at the post about midway you will note "C" went first followed by "B". I got lucky because john saw me picking up a disorganized C and Attacked as I was landing the B element, which lead to his entire force becoming disorganized. He still has a level 6 fort. Look at the ground bombardment results. This Midway campaign may be historical. Look at the Pelau campaign history with the 1st marine div.

[RangerJoe]

Going back to the atoll invasions, if overstacking causes such severe problems for the attackers, load forces just shy of the 6k stacking limit in separate task forces and label them something like "Round 1", Round 2", and so on with a final one labeled "Occupation and engineering" for a series of invasions of that one atoll. Unloading in one turn, then reloading the next turn while the next wave unloads for their attack. If there is another base or bases nearby with extra support, the invasion units can reform there and repeat as necessary until the base is captured. Bombardment forces can also reload there as well. Both sides can do this depending upon the initiative. Also, stripping out any "soft" elements from armored or armoured forces might also help.

While the Allies have a lot of Large Slow Targets, they also have a lot of Slow But Deadly bombers which were called that during the war.

You are correct, this is exactly what is happening at Midway currently. The whole 24th div was prepped for Midway. Earlier problems has lead me to split the division into A/B/C. If you look closely at the post about midway you will note "C" went first followed by "B". I got lucky because john saw me picking up a disorganized C and Attacked as I was landing the B element, which lead to his entire force becoming disorganized. He still has a level 6 fort. Look at the ground bombardment results. This Midway campaign may be historical. Look at the Pelau campaign history with the 1st marine div.

I don't know if you know this or not but armored units will also lower forts even if they don't get a 1:1 odds or better. If you strip out the non-armor devices and squads, they are not as vulnerable to enemy fire. The Combat Engineer units are nice but are much more fragile.

I was reading about a US Marine LT commanding a platoon of Stuarts leading the way in the jungle and his platoon with specifically his tank took out Japanese pillboxes with the 37mm gun. The infantry lost no men unless they lost some later after he quit using his tank because he only had three 37mm rounds left. From an attack 2 days prior, there were a lot of US Marine casualties along with US Naval Corpsmen.

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Going back to the atoll invasions, if overstacking causes such severe problems for the attackers, load forces just shy of the 6k stacking limit in separate task forces and label them something like "Round 1", Round 2", and so on with a final one labeled "Occupation and engineering" for a series of invasions of that one atoll. Unloading in one turn, then reloading the next turn while the next wave unloads for their attack. If there is another base or bases nearby with extra support, the invasion units can reform there and repeat as necessary until the base is captured. Bombardment forces can also reload there as well. Both sides can do this depending upon the initiative. Also, stripping out any "soft" elements from armored or armoured forces might also help.

While the Allies have a lot of Large Slow Targets, they also have a lot of Slow But Deadly bombers which were called that during the war.

You are correct, this is exactly what is happening at Midway currently. The whole 24th div was prepped for Midway. Earlier problems has lead me to split the division into A/B/C. If you look closely at the post about midway you will note "C" went first followed by "B". I got lucky because john saw me picking up a disorganized C and Attacked as I was landing the B element, which lead to his entire force becoming disorganized. He still has a level 6 fort. Look at the ground bombardment results. This Midway campaign may be historical. Look at the Pelau campaign history with the 1st marine div.

I dont have any armor prepped for midway. I did use a CBT unit but it got evac ed after the first failed attack. I have noted armor can go into a invasion hex with less prep and survive.

I don't know if you know this or not but armored units will also lower forts even if they don't get a 1:1 odds or better. If you strip out the non-armor devices and squads, they are not as vulnerable to enemy fire. The Combat Engineer units are nice but are much more fragile.

I was reading about a US Marine LT commanding a platoon of Stuarts leading the way in the jungle and his platoon with specifically his tank took out Japanese pillboxes with the 37mm gun. The infantry lost no men unless they lost some later after he quit using his tank because he only had three 37mm rounds left. From an attack 2 days prior, there were a lot of US Marine casualties along with US Naval Corpsmen.

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Going back to the atoll invasions, if overstacking causes such severe problems for the attackers, load forces just shy of the 6k stacking limit in separate task forces and label them something like "Round 1", Round 2", and so on with a final one labeled "Occupation and engineering" for a series of invasions of that one atoll. Unloading in one turn, then reloading the next turn while the next wave unloads for their attack. If there is another base or bases nearby with extra support, the invasion units can reform there and repeat as necessary until the base is captured. Bombardment forces can also reload there as well. Both sides can do this depending upon the initiative. Also, stripping out any "soft" elements from armored or armoured forces might also help.

While the Allies have a lot of Large Slow Targets, they also have a lot of Slow But Deadly bombers which were called that during the war.

You are correct, this is exactly what is happening at Midway currently. The whole 24th div was prepped for Midway. Earlier problems has lead me to split the division into A/B/C. If you look closely at the post about midway you will note "C" went first followed by "B". I got lucky because john saw me picking up a disorganized C and Attacked as I was landing the B element, which lead to his entire force becoming disorganized. He still has a level 6 fort. Look at the ground bombardment results. This Midway campaign may be historical. Look at the Pelau campaign history with the 1st marine div.

I don't know if you know this or not but armored units will also lower forts even if they don't get a 1:1 odds or better. If you strip out the non-armor devices and squads, they are not as vulnerable to enemy fire. The Combat Engineer units are nice but are much more fragile.

I was reading about a US Marine LT commanding a platoon of Stuarts leading the way in the jungle and his platoon with specifically his tank took out Japanese pillboxes with the 37mm gun. The infantry lost no men unless they lost some later after he quit using his tank because he only had three 37mm rounds left. From an attack 2 days prior, there were a lot of US Marine casualties along with US Naval Corpsmen.

I dont have any armor prepped for midway. I did use a CBT unit but it got evac ed after the first failed attack. I have noted armor can go into a invasion hex with less prep and survive. Also I just dropped an LTV (amtrack) into hex at 100 prep.

[RangerJoe]

You are correct, this is exactly what is happening at Midway currently. The whole 24th div was prepped for Midway. Earlier problems has lead me to split the division into A/B/C. If you look closely at the post about midway you will note "C" went first followed by "B". I got lucky because john saw me picking up a disorganized C and Attacked as I was landing the B element, which lead to his entire force becoming disorganized. He still has a level 6 fort. Look at the ground bombardment results. This Midway campaign may be historical. Look at the Pelau campaign history with the 1st marine div.

I don't know if you know this or not but armored units will also lower forts even if they don't get a 1:1 odds or better. If you strip out the non-armor devices and squads, they are not as vulnerable to enemy fire. The Combat Engineer units are nice but are much more fragile.

I was reading about a US Marine LT commanding a platoon of Stuarts leading the way in the jungle and his platoon with specifically his tank took out Japanese pillboxes with the 37mm gun. The infantry lost no men unless they lost some later after he quit using his tank because he only had three 37mm rounds left. From an attack 2 days prior, there were a lot of US Marine casualties along with US Naval Corpsmen.

I dont have any armor prepped for midway. I did use a CBT unit but it got evac ed after the first failed attack. I have noted armor can go into a invasion hex with less prep and survive. Also I just dropped an LTV (amtrack) into hex at 100 prep.

I do believe that the LTV is armor and any infantry can support its attack. Some LVTs are better than others and the LVT(4) has a 75mm cannon in a turret.

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I don't know if you know this or not but armored units will also lower forts even if they don't get a 1:1 odds or better. If you strip out the non-armor devices and squads, they are not as vulnerable to enemy fire. The Combat Engineer units are nice but are much more fragile.

I was reading about a US Marine LT commanding a platoon of Stuarts leading the way in the jungle and his platoon with specifically his tank took out Japanese pillboxes with the 37mm gun. The infantry lost no men unless they lost some later after he quit using his tank because he only had three 37mm rounds left. From an attack 2 days prior, there were a lot of US Marine casualties along with US Naval Corpsmen.

I dont have any armor prepped for midway. I did use a CBT unit but it got evac ed after the first failed attack. I have noted armor can go into a invasion hex with less prep and survive. Also I just dropped an LTV (amtrack) into hex at 100 prep.

I do believe that the LTV is armor and any infantry can support its attack. Some LVTs are better than others and the LVT(4) has a 75mm cannon in a turret.

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RE: Reducing Fortifications
Post by Alfred » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:00 am

Tanks per se do not reduce fort levels.  Only Combat Engineers per se can do so.
 
Otherwise fort reduction is entirely dependent on achieving a positive adjusted AV ratio.
 
Alfred

[bigred]

Going back to the atoll invasions, if overstacking causes such severe problems for the attackers, load forces just shy of the 6k stacking limit in separate task forces and label them something like "Round 1", Round 2", and so on with a final one labeled "Occupation and engineering" for a series of invasions of that one atoll. Unloading in one turn, then reloading the next turn while the next wave unloads for their attack. If there is another base or bases nearby with extra support, the invasion units can reform there and repeat as necessary until the base is captured. Bombardment forces can also reload there as well. Both sides can do this depending upon the initiative. Also, stripping out any "soft" elements from armored or armoured forces might also help.

While the Allies have a lot of Large Slow Targets, they also have a lot of Slow But Deadly bombers which were called that during the war.

You are correct, this is exactly what is happening at Midway currently. The whole 24th div was prepped for Midway. Earlier problems has lead me to split the division into A/B/C. If you look closely at the post about midway you will note "C" went first followed by "B". I got lucky because john saw me picking up a disorganized C and Attacked as I was landing the B element, which lead to his entire force becoming disorganized because he is overstacked also and forgot to check before he attacked. He still has a level 6 fort. Look at the ground bombardment results. This Midway campaign may be historical. Look at the Peleliu campaign history with the 1st marine div.

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Upcoming attack at Midway. Supported by 1 BB TF and 1 CA tf bombardment. One CV TF with 48 sbd and 40TBF ground attack. I have a dim view of this assault. CCB of the 24th DIV landed 4 days ago.

[John 3rd]

May 5, 1944

May the 5th is my birthday IRL (born in 1966 NOT 1944!)

I got a HUGE gift from the IJN I-168 this day.

BANZAI!

Don't get to shout those out too often after losing the war...

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May 5, 1944

May the 5th is my birthday IRL (born in 1966 NOT 1944!)

I got a HUGE gift from the IJN I-168 this day.

BANZAI!

Don't get to shout those out too often after losing the war...

44-5-3: In the great span of modern history, today is just another day. No post today.

[John 3rd]

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May 5, 1944
East of Kuriles[/b]

The morning of May 5th opens with I-168 spotting nearly a dozen Allied Task Forces moving close to the central Kuriles. Going deep, the commander listens to the deep thrum of dozens of propellers passing overhead. Edging back up to periscope depth, the commander is startled to see a huge, new Essex-Class American Carrier passing just 1,800 yards away. He immediately fires four torpedoes and is rewarded with two hits followed by a large explosion severely wounding the target.

Only three American DDs counter-attack in a very half-hearted manner. He takes the I-Boat to maximum depth and carefully reloaded the forward tubes.

Two hours later, while maneuvering by sound detector, he eases back up to look again. There--less then 800 yards away--barely making headway is the stricken carrier. Four more torpedoes are fired with two solidly connecting followed by yet another secondary blast. The carrier heels over to port and goes down by the bow just minutes later.

The carrier and her entire complement of aircraft are later identified as the USS Intrepid.

[John 3rd]

As Paul will attest, in the greater scheme of things, it isn't much but it IS something! Over my 18+ years of playing, I have sunk several Essex but never by sub. Very nice.

[durnedwolf]

As Paul will attest, in the greater scheme of things, it isn't much but it IS something! Over my 18+ years of playing, I have sunk several Essex but never by sub. Very nice.

Nice to see some Japanese sub-action. Back in the day, I had a sub (I think it was the I-158) that took out an American DD on convoy escort to Hawaii. Images in my head of a flinty-eyed Japanese captain firing his tubes down the throat of a fast-charging destroyer flitted about in my mind as I read the report. I was a happy camper as I puttered about work that day.

I just finished catching myself up on this AAR today. I retired last year and since my last games with Roger and Joe, we moved to Reno, where my wife and I are having a blast. Thanks to you and Bigred for sharing your game - it almost gives me that itch to fish for another dance partner <laughter>.

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