War and Vassals

[Schatten]

There is still the Problem that if you have a Vassal and go to War (or War is declared at you) the Vassal joins the war. However if the War ends the Vassal is still at War with your former Enemy and there is no way to end this from your side.

Please fix this, so the War ends also for all Vassals as soon you end it, thanks.

[fruitgnome]

And if enemy offers end of war by himself, than write in the pop up (notification) that he offers to become vassel. I got two times vassals on this way although I didn't wanted them to be a vassel. At the moment you have to click on show offer to see if vassal is ofered or not.

[MaximKI]

@Schatten, please provide a save where you see this happening.

@fruitgnome, this is a known issue that we're investigating.

[Schatten]

@Schatten, please provide a save where you see this happening.

@fruitgnome, this is a known issue that we're investigating.

What do you mean provide? Just make a Vassal, than let someone declare war on you, Vassal joins in as he should.
Than end the War, Vassals stays in War and keeps fighting. Its not a single accident, its normal everytime, whats here to provide?

[MaximKI]

Due to the fact DW2 has a lot of factors at play in any given issue report, a save that shows the issue goes a long way in helping us pinpoint the root cause of the issue. This in turn speeds up our investigation process and makes it more likely that we'll implement a fix that resolves the issue. As such, we encourage players to provide saves, ideally that show before and after the issues has been encountered, to help us better resolve the issue.

[fruitgnome]

But as a programmer you can also read the code for the method "end war" and look what happens at end war and I'm almost sure you will see that there is a part for vassals missing that also end war if your war ends. You want for all a savegame but we can only upload here files till 10 MB. The game can play itself. You can start a game at tech level 7 and the other empires at tech level 3, let the game run in rule of absence for 30 minutes at speed 8, then start war. If you have a green war rating ask to become vassal. At end of war start a new war and if war rating is green again offer peace and see if vassal is still in war. For all of this I think you have to be on the game for 5-10 minutes.

This game is amazing and unique. But I find it dissapointed that you not test the game by yourself. Rule at absence and then see how war is working: fleets, path finding. war at all etc.

And we need a list of known bugs / issue list. Then we can post new (current) bugs and after that desired little features like better sorting and auto and manual hull upgrades and define on which colony should be a small or big spaceport and if the spaceport is for building fleets or only to have recreation, medical and research facilitis.

[Nightskies]

They do play the game. They've even posted videos of them playing- I don't mean plain showcasing, but actually *playing*.

You can also search the bugs forum (where they *should* be posted) to see if someone else has posted an issue you've encountered.

In this case, there are ways already packaged in the game to deal with the crux of this issue, using the editor and in-game functions. Use diplomacy to negotiate a cease fire with other empires. Specifically, use 'take control of X empire' and use the ability to edit money as needed (you can add in billions, make the deal, then take it away). Though it isn't ideal, it is a functional workaround.

It isn't practical for them to just start up a game for every 'issue' posted. Right now, it's been openly declared that their focus is on the Shakturi expansion right now. Apparently, they're being pressed to make updates that will make money.

So please understand that they could use a little help from hopeful players in presenting cases with as much relevant info as possible, preferably with saves. Use a file archiver, like 7zip, and post it on any free file-saving site (file.io) to link it.

[fruitgnome]

Which bugs forum? I searched for it before I posted my thread known bugs: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 6&t=403276. Now I found it by search for "bug reports" if you mean this: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 6&t=380561. But the last post is from 2022 and the thread is not even sticky. If you mean not this topic. Please link to this bugs forum.

[Schatten]

They do play the game. They've even posted videos of them playing- I don't mean plain showcasing, but actually *playing*.

You can also search the bugs forum (where they *should* be posted) to see if someone else has posted an issue you've encountered.

In this case, there are ways already packaged in the game to deal with the crux of this issue, using the editor and in-game functions. Use diplomacy to negotiate a cease fire with other empires. Specifically, use 'take control of X empire' and use the ability to edit money as needed (you can add in billions, make the deal, then take it away). Though it isn't ideal, it is a functional workaround.

It isn't practical for them to just start up a game for every 'issue' posted. Right now, it's been openly declared that their focus is on the Shakturi expansion right now. Apparently, they're being pressed to make updates that will make money.

So please understand that they could use a little help from hopeful players in presenting cases with as much relevant info as possible, preferably with saves. Use a file archiver, like 7zip, and post it on any free file-saving site (file.io) to link it.

I understood demand of savegames for bugs. But that is not a bug just a bad game mechanic. Solution should be easy. Just make a script: If Master win and End War Vassal ends war too.
Also a second change: if you start a War Vassal dont joins automatically but wait till you ask.

Problem solved.

[OrnluWolfjarl]

Which bugs forum? I searched for it before I posted my thread known bugs: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 6&t=403276. Now I found it by search for "bug reports" if you mean this: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 6&t=380561. But the last post is from 2022 and the thread is not even sticky. If you mean not this topic. Please link to this bugs forum.

At the top of this forum, there is a section for different subforums, and one of them is the bugs subforum called Tech Support.

[fruitgnome]

Maybe the author thought like me that buggy game mechanics are better here than the tech support forum. For me were the tech support if I have probs with a game that could be fixed to support my system (hardware or missunderstunding mechanics) but never fundamental game mechanics. But I write here I "thought", so don't discuss here with me about that. Now I use for every bug the tech support subforum. And sorry but latest beta has many and this is also latest official release. (This is how it was all the time.) And the community should support each others till somebody is unpolite. How I wrote so many times, now with other words I love this game. And I'm disappointed that I found DW 1 so late but I played it a lot and also made mods for it.

I ADMIRE elliotg (his username here) THAT HE INVENTED DW1.