Air Tansport - Unit - two Sortie Rule bugged [Beta 1.03.07]

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Air Tansport - Unit - two Sortie Rule bugged [Beta 1.03.07]

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Wiedrock wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm
MaximKI wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 3:14 pm
Bug Fixes and AI Improvements
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• Removed code that halved the transport cost of units when being airlifted or paradropped.
Living Manual 1.23, p. 396 wrote:Once a unit has been selected, left click on the intended destination. As with freight
transport missions suitable air groups (and escorts if any are available will be
selected). If insufficient transport capacity exists to move the unit in a single
operation then air transport of non-motorized units can be conducted in up to 2
sorties. If more than 2 sorties would be needed, the unit cannot be air transported.
Due to this recent change. Could you also change the limit to fly only "max 2 Sorties" per plane to 4? The Game represents a one week Turn and 144x Ju52 planes can't transport any Infantry Regiment due to this rule now.

Overall this rule change is something I don't understand since now you fly 50% of the way empty without any compensation, it was caused by a report about Stalingrad evacuation while IRL you'd have flown things like Supplies IN and Soldiers OUT of the Pocket if you'd wanted to evac by air. So now 150 Ju52 planes can't even transport a single Infantry Regiment within a week. Not even over a distance of 120miles!!!
Transport Rule for flying up to two Sorties for Unit transpoort is bugged in current Beta V1.03.07.
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Re: Air Tansport - Unit - two Sortie Rule bugged [Beta 1.03.07]

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Do you have a save you can put up for this? Thanks.
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Re: Air Tansport - Unit - two Sortie Rule bugged [Beta 1.03.07]

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Joel Billings wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:36 pm Do you have a save you can put up for this? Thanks.
It's just a normal Human vs Human StB Scenario, rolled to turn 2 (Axis Turn one).
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Re: Air Tansport - Unit - two Sortie Rule bugged [Beta 1.03.07]

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Thanks, it does appear the 2 sorties got inadvertently removed when we adjusted the carry cost for air transport missions. I've added it to the bug list. Hopefully it's something commented out by accident and easy to put back, and not something more complicated.

Since our goal was to reduce air transporting of units, and since few players use airdrops, it's not a big deal for this to be missing, but if we'll try to get it put back in in a future update.
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Re: Air Tansport - Unit - two Sortie Rule bugged [Beta 1.03.07]

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Any news on this? It is still mostly impossible to move units around by Air Transport UNIT since they simply won't do the suggested 2 Sorties per plane anymore.
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Re: Air Tansport - Unit - two Sortie Rule bugged [Beta 1.03.07]

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It's on our bug list, but it is a high risk, low reward item, so it keeps getting pushed back. It's high risk because this part of the code has had many issues over the years, and the 2 sorties appears to have been broken by changes made over one year ago to deal with a different issue. For Pavel to step into this code now is extremely risky. Although we intended for their to be airdrops and air transported units, few players use the feature (especially the air drops), and we don't want to break the air transport system which is heavily used, in order to fix the unit air transport which is not necessary and historically rarely used. Assuming other items don't come up that require attention, we do want to eventually get to this to see if it can be (relatively) safely fixed. We already have saves that allows us to see the issue and test possible fixes.
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