Transport cargo freighter need to cancel order after planet change owner

[ChrisGb]

Once a colony/outpost has been conquered/taken over by another race all freighters en route to pick up cargo should have order cancelled, ship to stop and circle for new order except the corresponding trade agreements are in place between the new owner of the planet and the race the freighter belongs to.
Example: Just conquered outpost from Skakturi with Zentabia Fluid, upgraded to Colony to build defenses and Web of Destiny (Dhayut) freighter strolls by taking all existing resources of Zentabia fluid with him even though there is absolutly no trade agreement nor any treaty in place with them.
This seems ilogical and unreasonable especially with the ultra rare stuff
Would be awesome if this little inconsistency could be mended in one of the newxt patches.

[elliotg]

Once a colony/outpost has been conquered/taken over by another race all freighters en route to pick up cargo should have order cancelled, ship to stop and circle for new order except the corresponding trade agreements are in place between the new owner of the planet and the race the freighter belongs to.
Example: Just conquered outpost from Skakturi with Zentabia Fluid, upgraded to Colony to build defenses and Web of Destiny (Dhayut) freighter strolls by taking all existing resources of Zentabia fluid with him even though there is absolutly no trade agreement nor any treaty in place with them.
This seems ilogical and unreasonable especially with the ultra rare stuff
Would be awesome if this little inconsistency could be mended in one of the newxt patches.

No, actually those resources were already bought and paid for by the Dhayut and that freighter arrives to pick them up.

Conquering a colony does not cancel these existing transport missions unless it is with the conquered faction. In other words, conquering a colony does not nationalize the cargo/resources for third-party factions.

Check the Resources and Stock Levels window for the colony. In the Other column you should see an amount of the resource being picked up by the Dhayut freighter.

[ChrisGb]

Conquering a colony does not cancel these existing transport missions unless it is with the conquered faction. In other words, conquering a colony does not nationalize the cargo/resources for third-party factions.

oh, I see...its a fallacy on my part then and the resources belong to the private sector, ok, got it...this way it makes sense. Stupid me

[Lunalis]

i had something similar...
was at war with the boskara.
invaded one of their colonies that they invaded from independants before the war.
declared peace once i took over the colony.
and a few days after a colonyship from them arrives and is loading up teekans even though its not their colony anymore.
i would guess this shouldnt happen?

[cwaadd]

Something similar happened to me I conquered Umbood colony then an enemy troop transport repaired there and several enemy freighters came to supply the colony.

Pretty sure this is not normal

[MaximKI]

Please provide saves showing this. Saves from before the colony gets conquered would be ideal as well.

[Lunalis]

i think i actually got a save right before invasion.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Eiutf8 ... sp=sharing

-load save
-press 1... move them closer to the planet (more targets for the beam defence)
-press 4... move them closer to the planet. once closer right click invade.
-wait for invade to finish.
-make peace with boskara.
-colony ship arrives a bit later to pickup colonists.

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the colony ship can be found a bit to the west when using the game editor after loading the save.

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it seems that if i dont declare peace the colony ship swaps to "escape from here" once its at the planet.

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if other people also see it with freighters... i think i saw some combat ships arrive at the planet too after peace on "defend" mission or so.
i guess it needs some sort of check if the target of what the ship is trying to do is still a valid target and not i.e. here swapped owner and doesnt belong to you anymore.
maybe a check at a start of a jump? or after exiting a jump? or after a war is over? i guess tons of checks would go on performance again if every ship does some check after a war or something.
maybe there is some command that lists all ships that have the current selected thing (planet) as a target... and then all them could get a order refresh once the targets state changes (i.e. gets conquered) and they then recheck if what they trying to do still works...
well no idea, that is for you guys to figure out... haha

[cwaadd]

Hi !
I managed to find the save :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_EDzLa ... sp=sharing

Just wait at Umbood colony, you will see an enemy transport troop repairing at my colony and various enemy freighters offloading resources at my colony.
We are still at war with each other.

Hope this helps

[Nightskies]

Conquering a colony does not cancel these existing transport missions unless it is with the conquered faction. In other words, conquering a colony does not nationalize the cargo/resources for third-party factions.

oh, I see...its a fallacy on my part then and the resources belong to the private sector, ok, got it...this way it makes sense. Stupid me

You weren't mistaken.

Practically, the empire owns the resources in it, despite being officially identified as being 'privately owned'. Like resort stations, which are completely state-bought and maintained while being civilian controlled, while the state gets all tourism income. The money that comes from resources never goes to civilians, not counting when resources are consumed at colonies to raise development. All use of resources not made by the state are paid to the state. The state pays no-one in using resources - the money they spend on their own resources are removed from the game. And civilians get nothing directly for mining/transporting them.

It is often commented that this doesn't really make sense, but that's how it is. There's been a few ways of reasoning it, but I hardly think it matters. It works for the simulation.

But once purchased, resources belong to the purchasing party before they are picked up.

So when resources are owned by another empire, they're reserved for the other empire/independent/pirate to pick up at their leisure- even if the colony is conquered. That amount won't count toward the amount available at the colony unless the reserved amount is somehow released (such as when being when at war with the buyer). That includes pirates refueling from a recently acquired independent. "...conquering a colony does not nationalize the cargo/resources for third-party factions" just means the conquering party does not nullify that purchase and cannot steal the resources from the other empire that bought them, in most cases.

[ChrisGb]

You weren't mistaken.

Thought so

But once purchased, resources belong to the purchasing party before they are picked up.

My reasoning is the following:
Imagine you buy a Supermarket.
Then 2 weeks after somebody shows up and picks up stuff loading his truck.
When you approach him he tell you that he already paid for the goods 4 weeks ago to the then owner.

You probably answer you give a damn cause he paid the previous owner and not you and either he pays you or no goods, right ?
Also he may go and ask his money back from the other dude but that has nothing to do with you ...right ? right??? common sense

alternative scenarios to remedy situation in a plausible way:
A: the particular purchase is re-accounted. You get money added - other get subtracted for the value of the goods after change of ownership
B: credits paid for goods are booked on each colony as credits value and once removed deleted - if colony changes owner this cash box of pending transaction transfers to new owner
C: probably some other clever way to handle this somebody can come up with

[MaximKI]

Thanks @Lunalis and @cwaad - we'll investigate.