Israel ADs test vs Iranian Khorramshahr-2 BM

[Nikel]

In the Israeli side:

Arrow-3

David's sling

American THAAD CEC

Plus an American destroyer and a Saar 6 corvette.

Target for the Iranian BMs, Dimona.


In the Iranian side:

2 Khorramshahr units, 4 BMs in total.


Observations and questions:

The launchings are not detected, distance beyond the radars, so what are the Israeli side using in the war to detect them, satellites?

In the scenario the detection seems to happen in late phase.

Naval units useless, perhaps the American destroyer is not the correct one for BMs?

David's sling useless, but they are used in the war?

Arrow 3 and THAAD will fire to the incoming missiles but never hit, I think this is a bug. They change the trajectory and then never able to catch, see video below.

The Khorramshahr BMs seem to miss too much, I have seeing impacts, but is rare.

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[SunlitZelkova]

Israel, as well as pretty much every major US ally is networked in with the US ABM system. They receive early warning from SBIRS satellites.

The naval units won't be able to fire because they need to be given early warning of the BM's trajectory. SM-3 is a mid-course interceptor and thus won't fire with a late detection.

David's Sling is apparently not designed to intercept long-range ballistic missiles, it is designed to defeat theater ballistic missiles like the Scud.

Arrow-3 is a an exo-atmospheric interceptor, like SM-3. It won't work without launch detection by a satellite. Arrow-2 is designed to do terminal interception, like THAAD.

To get good results with BMD scenarios, I recommend looking up all BMD sites in the region and placing them there. It is possible there are other stand-alone AN/TPY-2 radars elsewhere in the region that help detect the launches. I tried to make a scenario featuring BMD in Japan a couple years ago and because I was missing some AN/TPY-2 radars, the results were weird.

As for the Iranian ballistic missile accuracy: low accuracy tracks with what is seen in real life. Their strikes last year did little damage to the bases targeted, which is why they are hitting cities now. It's the only way to deal real damage.

They do seem to be targeting some specific sites, I saw that an oil refinery in Haifa was hit. To get that kind of result in CMO, you will probably need to make multi-unit facilities; putting down each and every building present (office buildings, warehouses, garages, etc. etc.) rather than just putting a single oil refinery or nuclear reactor structure.

[Nikel]

Thanks for the comprehensive answer

I have tried adding the 4 american SBIRS sats available, but no success, they are in the Indo-Pacific. Will keep trying.

[Nikel]

This time 8 Iranian BMs.

Added both types of American AN/TPY-2, the launchings still not detected even though one of them is on range, some time is gained though

Now the Arrow 3 are able to destroy the Iranian BMs The interception happening around 275 kms of altitude. Not all in the example below, but may happen.

The THAAD are late to the party.

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If the Arrow 3 is removed, the THAAD problem described above is still present.

In this case Dimona was destroyed.

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The american destroyer still useless.

[blu3s]

Worth to upload that last scenario with only the THAAD to tech support forum

[Nikel]

Worth to upload that last scenario with only the THAAD to tech support forum

Done, as you only like on problem per thread, asking here.

Why one of the AN/TPY-2 radars does not detect the launching, by range should? The 2nd has no enough range.

What is needed for the american destroyer to participate in the interception?

[Stanley_The_Rolmate]

In the Israeli side:

Arrow-3

David's sling

American THAAD CEC

Plus an American destroyer and a Saar 6 corvette.

Target for the Iranian BMs, Dimona.


In the Iranian side:

2 Khorramshahr units, 4 BMs in total.


Observations and questions:

The launchings are not detected, distance beyond the radars, so what are the Israeli side using in the war to detect them, satellites?

In the scenario the detection seems to happen in late phase.

Naval units useless, perhaps the American destroyer is not the correct one for BMs?

David's sling useless, but they are used in the war?

Arrow 3 and THAAD will fire to the incoming missiles but never hit, I think this is a bug. They change the trajectory and then never able to catch, see video below.

The Khorramshahr BMs seem to miss too much, I have seeing impacts, but is rare.



IADs.gif



Israel ADs vs Iran BMs Test.zip

Seems like the David's sling isn't firing because its radar can't detect balictic missiles in game

[Nikel]

Tactical BMs according to the manufacturer.

Perhaps the Kh-2 are beyond that like SunlitZelkova said.

https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2084-mmr

[blu3s]

Worth to upload that last scenario with only the THAAD to tech support forum

Done, as you only like on problem per thread, asking here.

Why one of the AN/TPY-2 radars does not detect the launching, by range should? The 2nd has no enough range.

What is needed for the american destroyer to participate in the interception?

The destroyer is far away and only has SM-6

The TPY-2 sensors are different, one has a max range of 935 and the other of 540, so that's probably the reason.

[Nikel]

The destroyer is far away and only has SM-6

The TPY-2 sensors are different, one has a max range of 935 and the other of 540, so that's probably the reason.

I do not know whether there is a problem with the database or I am blind, cannot find an american destroyer with SM-3. Used a Kongo instead.

Same problem.

Regarding the TPY-2, yes, so added both I was not sure which one was the correct.

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[blu3s]

It's as easy as searching SM-3 in the ship category...



Or just edit the loadouts in any modern DDG

But SM-3 is an exo atmospheric interceptor, you'll need to detect the BM earlier

[Nikel]

Thanks for the answers!

Yes, I did that, but after adding several of them they are not armed with the SM-3.


Regarding the early warning, that is the reason I added the TPY-2 radars, and the Arrow 3 started working.

But did not work for the THAAD or the SM-3.

So what is needed for early warning?

[blu3s]

I tested with Land Aegis installation with SM-3 and they do a good job even with a late detection. You can try with different Early Warning systems

[Nikel]

Getting some hits from SM-3 (Kongo), adding several AN/FPS-132 EWR and more TPY-2 near Iran.

THAAD, still unable.

[tylerblakebrandon]

Thanks for the answers!

Yes, I did that, but after adding several of them they are not armed with the SM-3.


Regarding the early warning, that is the reason I added the TPY-2 radars, and the Arrow 3 started working.

But did not work for the THAAD or the SM-3.

So what is needed for early warning?

Most of the USN ships with SM-3 are not equipped by default, you need to adjust the VLS load in the editor.

[Nikel]

Most of the USN ships with SM-3 are not equipped by default, you need to adjust the VLS load in the editor.

Yes, that is what I noticed. Searched for SM-3, unit added and no SM-3 available.

What seems strange, why add SM-3 to the name if it is not present in the default weapons of the unit?

[blu3s]

Because not all destroyers carry SM-3 unless you're gonna be deployed for BMD, besides that, in the DB you can check what units have SM3 by default in the VLS mounts. The SM-3 tag is for units able to use it, since not all AEGIS destroyers have that capability

[SunlitZelkova]

Thanks for the comprehensive answer

I have tried adding the 4 american SBIRS sats available, but no success, they are in the Indo-Pacific. Will keep trying.

There are some 8-10 SBIRS satellites missing from the DB right now. So it is probably just impossible to model an accurate scenario with what is available. You would have to adjust the date so that the sats will be overhead when the missiles fire.

[Nikel]

There are some 8-10 SBIRS satellites missing from the DB right now. So it is probably just impossible to model an accurate scenario with what is available. You would have to adjust the date so that the sats will be overhead when the missiles fire.

They only move around the Indo-Pacific.

[Nikel]

There are some 8-10 SBIRS satellites missing from the DB right now. So it is probably just impossible to model an accurate scenario with what is available. You would have to adjust the date so that the sats will be overhead when the missiles fire.

They only move around the Indo-Pacific.

In this scenario, created by C Schmitz, he only used radars (many of them), including in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, they detect the BMs early.


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dfllvbjy ... 8&e=2&dl=0