WHAT WILL BE THE CHOICES?

[tsimmonds]

Original: Mike Scholl
....would you want to start a scenario with it's designer
that will take a hundred hours of your time and might prove totally warped in execution?

Only if it was made by my wargaming buddy of 35 years, with whom I now PBEM, cause we have to be playing something....

[CommC]

I would like to see a few more shorter scenarios that will be less overwhelming to the beginning player, or one that doesn't have loads of time to invest. For example, I would like to see a Midway scenario added to the list.

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

Original: Mike Scholl
....would you want to start a scenario with it's designer
that will take a hundred hours of your time and might prove totally warped in execution?

Only if it was made by my wargaming buddy of 35 years, with whom I now PBEM, cause we have to be playing something....

I have a similar situation with a fellow I've been playing for 25 years. He and I will
probably fool around with some variants because we usually have similar views on
what "needs fixing". But would you play one against a total stranger that HE claims
is "balanced"?

[tsimmonds]

But would you play one against a total stranger that HE claims
is "balanced"?

I don't know. I might. It would depend on what it was. I'm more interested in studying history than I am in winning a game. If it seemed to be an honest attempt to model some situation I found interesting, I might try it, especially if it was of limited scope. Examples might be Inoue's operations in the south pacific in January-March 42, which resulted in the capture of Rabaul, Lae and Salamaua, but which also saw the destruction of Rabaul's Betty group by Lexington as well as Wilson Brown's transmontaine strike against the landings at Lae/Salamaua. What if Sho and Zui had been sent to Truk six weeks sooner than they were, and IJA had shaken loose two or three regiments instead of just the 144th? Or maybe one for March-April 42 that covered the Indian Ocean operation, studying the possibility of using the IJA units then at sea on their way to Rangoon, to try to take Ceylon instead. Something like this I would consider. But some custom scenario covering the whole war, where anything and everything might possibly be rejiggered? No chance....

[Mike Scholl]

You actually sound like someone I could enjoy playing against.

[tsimmonds]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

You actually sound like someone I could enjoy playing against.

Maybe we already have--see the "music" thread. [:)] But, sure, lets keep it in mind. I enjoy playing smaller scenarios as well as the big ones; you can actually finish them, and the lessons learned typically come faster.

[tsimmonds]

What I would really like to play would be a historical scenario of 6-9 months duration, beginning on March 1. The operations vs the SRA are essentially complete, Singapore and the Philippines are in the bag, and Japan needs to begin its second phase of operations. What next? Ceylon? Australia? The South Pacific? The options are tantalizing. What if the IJA had provided a few divisions now, instead of waiting until it was essentially too late? What if Combined Fleet had left planning to the Planning Division, instead of insisting as it did on the Midway operation? Lots of intriguing possibilities here, and this could be of a managable size......

[Damien Thorn]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
But would you play one against a total stranger that HE claims
is "balanced"?

The best way to ensure a scenario is balance is to have one person make it and then have the other choose which side he wants to play. For example, I'd feel more than comfortable playing the allies in any scenario mdiehl made. [:D]

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Damien Thorn

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
But would you play one against a total stranger that HE claims
is "balanced"?

The best way to ensure a scenario is balance is to have one person make it and then have the other choose which side he wants to play. For example, I'd feel more than comfortable playing the allies in any scenario mdiehl made. [:D]

Actually, the best way is for both of you to discuss what areas are going to be changed,
and how, and by how much, before designing the scenario. Avoids a lot of headaches
later. And two heads are usually better than one in eliminating any "far out" ideas.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Here's what we plan at release:

1 Tutorial
2 Rising Sun: 7 Dec 41 - 16 Mar 42
3 Coral Sea: 1 May 42 - 15 May 42
4 South Pacific (Hypothetical): 1 May 42 - 28 Feb 42
5 Guadalcanal: 4 Aug 42 - 7 Feb 43
6 Marianas: 6 Jun 44 - 29 Aug 44
7 Manchuria: 8 Aug 45 - 31 Aug 45
8 The First Year: 7 Dec 41 - 31 Dec 42
9 The Turning Point: 1 May 42 - 30 Sep 43
10 Campaign 45: 1 Jan 45 - Jun 30 46
11 Campaign 44: 1 Jun 44 - Jun 30 46
12 Campaign 43: 1 Jun 43 - Jun 30 46
13 Campaign 42A: 1 May 42 - Jun 30 46
14 Campaign 42B: 1 Aug 42 - Jun 30 46
15 The War in the Pacific: 7 Dec 41 - Jun 30 46

Scenarios 8-15 are full map with production. Scenarios 2-7 are small map without production.

I fully expect that given the power and relative ease of use of the editor (although it is a lot of data to push) that there will be many more scenarios made, and that some of them will be posted as official scenarios for download. There may even be some of those avaiable for download by the time the game is ready for sale.

Thanks for info Joel!

But how come no Midway scenario?


Leo "Apollo11"

[Zakhal]

Burma campaign would be a real treat.

[tsimmonds]

But how come no Midway scenario?

That's to give us all a chance to play with the scenario editor[;)]

[Rendova]

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

But how come no Midway scenario?

That's to give us all a chance to play with the scenario editor[;)]

That and the fact Midway would only make a 7-10 turn scerario, not alot of fun in my book for a WitP engined game.

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Rendova

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

But how come no Midway scenario?

That's to give us all a chance to play with the scenario editor[;)]

That and the fact Midway would only make a 7-10 turn scerario, not alot of fun in my book for a WitP engined game.

Also, Midway is a very "tactical" situation not really suited to the more "strategic" level
or WITP. Many of the elements that made Midway "unique" wouldn't even show up at
this scale.

[Von Rom]

Well, some of the best scenarios in wargames that I have played have been user-made. Just check out the list of user-made scenarios for TOAW. Some players spend years perfecting their scenarios based on feedback from others.

With WiTP being the ONLY game of its type, you can expect some truly great scenarios will eventually be making their appearance.

Cheers!

[byron13]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Here's what we plan at release:

1 Tutorial
2 Rising Sun: 7 Dec 41 - 16 Mar 42
3 Coral Sea: 1 May 42 - 15 May 42
4 South Pacific (Hypothetical): 1 May 42 - 28 Feb 42
5 Guadalcanal: 4 Aug 42 - 7 Feb 43
6 Marianas: 6 Jun 44 - 29 Aug 44
7 Manchuria: 8 Aug 45 - 31 Aug 45
8 The First Year: 7 Dec 41 - 31 Dec 42
9 The Turning Point: 1 May 42 - 30 Sep 43
10 Campaign 45: 1 Jan 45 - Jun 30 46
11 Campaign 44: 1 Jun 44 - Jun 30 46
12 Campaign 43: 1 Jun 43 - Jun 30 46
13 Campaign 42A: 1 May 42 - Jun 30 46
14 Campaign 42B: 1 Aug 42 - Jun 30 46
15 The War in the Pacific: 7 Dec 41 - Jun 30 46

What makes scenario 4 "hypothetical?"

[Paulchen]

Is it possible to build a hypothetical scenario, where russia will be defeated by the germans, and japan have take as result the eastern sibiria, before Dec 7.
The hypothetical results are:
1. the transsibiria railroad can supply japan with oil (caucasus) and goods from germany
2. the whole german airforce and army can fight in western-europe and in africa (this will make it much harder for the allys, not so many planes and army in the pacific)
3. a german expidition corps (tank divisions + airforce) can help in china, it will possible that japan conquered china in the year 43
4. it is possible that england will be defeated in the middle east and germany and japan can conquered india
5. After china and possible india fall, the whole japan army (eventually german troops too) can fight in the year 44 in the pacific

In my opinion, this will be a nice scenario, anything is possible

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

But how come no Midway scenario?

Leo "Apollo11"

Midway was early June 42 so I'm guessing the designers are saying that Scenarios

...4 South Pacific (Hypothetical): 1 May 42 - 28 Feb 4(3)
...9 The Turning Point: 1 May 42 - 30 Sep 43
...13 Campaign 42A: 1 May 42 - Jun 30 46

allow the players to fight at Midway if they choose while

...14 Campaign 42B: 1 Aug 42 - Jun 30 46

presumes that Midway has come and gone (US defeats Japan 4:1) and the players need to live with the historical result.

What other alternative do you want for a Midway scenario ?[&:]

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Paulchen

Is it possible to build a hypothetical scenario, where russia will be defeated by the germans, and japan have take as result the eastern sibiria, before Dec 7.
The hypothetical results are:
1. the transsibiria railroad can supply japan with oil (caucasus) and goods from germany
2. the whole german airforce and army can fight in western-europe and in africa (this will make it much harder for the allys, not so many planes and army in the pacific)
3. a german expidition corps (tank divisions + airforce) can help in china, it will possible that japan conquered china in the year 43
4. it is possible that england will be defeated in the middle east and germany and japan can conquered india
5. After china and possible india fall, the whole japan army (eventually german troops too) can fight in the year 44 in the pacific

In my opinion, this will be a nice scenario, anything is possible

I just can't stand it anymore.

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Paulchen

Is it possible to build a hypothetical scenario, where russia will be defeated by the germans, and japan have take as result the eastern sibiria, before Dec 7.
The hypothetical results are:
1. the transsibiria railroad can supply japan with oil (caucasus) and goods from germany
2. the whole german airforce and army can fight in western-europe and in africa (this will make it much harder for the allys, not so many planes and army in the pacific)
3. a german expidition corps (tank divisions + airforce) can help in china, it will possible that japan conquered china in the year 43
4. it is possible that england will be defeated in the middle east and germany and japan can conquered india
5. After china and possible india fall, the whole japan army (eventually german troops too) can fight in the year 44 in the pacific
In my opinion, this will be a nice scenario, anything is possible

It might be possible to build something like this if you really enjoy TOTAL NONSENSE.
Nazi Germany was NOT going to defeat Soviet Russia in the summer of 1941. No how,
no way. It was impossible to go far enough and fast enough with an army that was 90%
horse drawn to do that. If you think it was, then you've "got your headquarters where
your hindquarters should be". But even if it were:

1) The Trans-Siberian RR would be 4,000 miles of demolitions, sabotage, and Partisans..,
worthless for years.
2) It would take 75-100 divisions of manpower to garrison/occupy/hold down the Russians
for quite a while.
3) LOTS O LUCK See #1 above.
4) Defeating England in the Middle East does is no guarantee (look at your lines of supply)
and if accomplished doesn't guarantee anything vs. India.
5) If China could be conquered (and the "whole japan army" had been trying to do that
since 1937), You would still need most of it to garrison the place.

IMHO, this is the kind of pipedream that comes frome sniffing too much glue and playing
to much "Risk". No one who's seriously studied the period and the realities of logistics
could possibly come up with it. But if that's what you want to play, then I imagine the
editor can be "bullied" into giving you some sore of replica of the situation you describe.
But WHY?