Someone mentioned something about the Russians being tougher in 8.01. Not as far as I'm concerned. I'm currently playing the Russian side in Slaughterhouse via PBEM, and they suck ass! They hardly ever return fire and they're accuracy is pitiful. Only the HMG return fire with any consistency. Now Slaugherhouse is earlier in the war so some might say that's a factor. To that I say I played (I think) Jess's Kursk scenario in 7.1, and it was the exact same thing. I got slaughtered. And the T-34's were worthless. Personally I don't like playing as the Russians anyway, but I hope that 8.2 make's things a little more realistic. I mean, if the Russians were really that pitiful, then how the heck did they turn the tide??
Aside from all that, personally what I would like to know is, are crews going to be able to pop smoke again?? And is it finally going to be possible to load barges to their capacity??
Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Moderator: MOD_SPWaW
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Major_Johnson
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
M.J.!
We serve others best when at the same time we serve ourselves.
We serve others best when at the same time we serve ourselves.
RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
ORIGINAL: Major_Johnson
...I mean, if the Russians were really that pitiful, then how the heck did they turn the tide??...
Industrial capacity and neverending human ressources. Alas things you won't find in SP:WAW [:(].
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Orzel Bialy
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Les,
I will agree with you to some degree about the community being responsible in some way for the new OoB's. There has always been voices in the community that put forth the idea that this or that could stand to be tweaked, modified or corrected. However, as we all know there will always be those voices...because no one version of the OoB's are ever going to satisfy everyone who plays SPWaW.
I have never rallied against the OoB team for the modifications they are attempting on 8.2...I will reserve my judgement until after I get a chance to see the new format in action. I sincerely hope they fixed all of the gaffs that were uncovered in 8.0 and 8.1...and did not create any new ones. I have, however, never agreed to the need for so much secrecy as it has only lead to speculation and doubt. That decision was the projects own worse enemy in my opinion.
Anyway, at this point my real beef is the handling of the files since they were declared done what? two weeks ago...if not more? Does MG have to tell us what they are doing? No, they don't...but it would be nice and it might have cut down on the feeling of frustration that a good part of the community has felt as of late. A little "heads up" goes a long way...at least it would have, now it would be largely damage control, but any news would still be welcomed.
I know there are some people out there who are going to read this and say "who cares...it will be posted when it's ready" and "they don't need to tell you anything." and that's fine, it's their right to feel that if so inclined. However, that doesn't mean that the portion of the community who would like some update should remain silent.
I guess what I want to point out is that those of us posting questions are not "biting the hand" out of spite...we are not trying to bust MG's b@lls for our own entertainment...we are not trying to be the voices of rebellion to a disenchanted portion of the community. We merely want to state that we would appreciate updates and information about a project that has been highly publicized and touted for some time now...and that seems to have fallen into the Limbo of the Lost.
I will agree with you to some degree about the community being responsible in some way for the new OoB's. There has always been voices in the community that put forth the idea that this or that could stand to be tweaked, modified or corrected. However, as we all know there will always be those voices...because no one version of the OoB's are ever going to satisfy everyone who plays SPWaW.
I have never rallied against the OoB team for the modifications they are attempting on 8.2...I will reserve my judgement until after I get a chance to see the new format in action. I sincerely hope they fixed all of the gaffs that were uncovered in 8.0 and 8.1...and did not create any new ones. I have, however, never agreed to the need for so much secrecy as it has only lead to speculation and doubt. That decision was the projects own worse enemy in my opinion.
Anyway, at this point my real beef is the handling of the files since they were declared done what? two weeks ago...if not more? Does MG have to tell us what they are doing? No, they don't...but it would be nice and it might have cut down on the feeling of frustration that a good part of the community has felt as of late. A little "heads up" goes a long way...at least it would have, now it would be largely damage control, but any news would still be welcomed.
I know there are some people out there who are going to read this and say "who cares...it will be posted when it's ready" and "they don't need to tell you anything." and that's fine, it's their right to feel that if so inclined. However, that doesn't mean that the portion of the community who would like some update should remain silent.
I guess what I want to point out is that those of us posting questions are not "biting the hand" out of spite...we are not trying to bust MG's b@lls for our own entertainment...we are not trying to be the voices of rebellion to a disenchanted portion of the community. We merely want to state that we would appreciate updates and information about a project that has been highly publicized and touted for some time now...and that seems to have fallen into the Limbo of the Lost.
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BulletMagnet
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Well said! I miss the good old days.[:D]
"What we do in life,echoes in eternity"
RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
ORIGINAL: rbrunsman
It was nice to feel like I had my own personal scenario designer for a whole year taking me through the D-day action.[:)] Of course, I was on the winning side of that series of battles.[;)]
I've got three versions on my computer; v7.1, H2H.fr and v8.01. I haven't really noticed a huge difference between v7 and v8 other than the screwup of the cost of the units. I can't wait to see what was done to make us all in awe over the new "improvements."
Yo Bob! I "let you win" heehee[:'(]
Im making war, not trouble~
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Frank W.
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
ORIGINAL: Major_Johnson
Someone mentioned something about the Russians being tougher in 8.01. Not as far as I'm concerned. I'm currently playing the Russian side in Slaughterhouse via PBEM, and they suck ass! They hardly ever return fire and they're accuracy is pitiful. Only the HMG return fire with any consistency. Now Slaugherhouse is earlier in the war so some might say that's a factor. To that I say I played (I think) Jess's Kursk scenario in 7.1, and it was the exact same thing. I got slaughtered. And the T-34's were worthless. Personally I don't like playing as the Russians anyway, but I hope that 8.2 make's things a little more realistic. I mean, if the Russians were really that pitiful, then how the heck did they turn the tide??
Aside from all that, personally what I would like to know is, are crews going to be able to pop smoke again?? And is it finally going to be possible to load barges to their capacity??
major: i just got my a.. kicked by a russian in 45 8000 him vs. 4000 my germans in a defense.
all tanks from me escept 1(!) panther were killed.
okay, i´m perhaps average player, my opp was a vet and the
russians have quite good exp in 45, while germans quite
suck. i made the mistake of bad deployment + force selection.
in this later stae you can only buy SS units if you wanna
succed as germans on that point ratio IMHO.
i´m shure the expert players would say something other, but
that´s my experience. the game was a draw in the end. what a
joke my opp captured all vic hexes and wiped me out, so to speak.
i granted him a med. victory and overide the game judgement.
at least i killed huge numbers of the reds.
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Major Destruction
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
What do you guys think about bicycle units?
Do they work?
Would you rather the bicycles were eliminated and those jaeger type units replaced with regular infantry?
Do they work?
Would you rather the bicycles were eliminated and those jaeger type units replaced with regular infantry?
They struggled with a ferocity that was to be expected of brave men fighting with forlorn hope against an enemy who had the advantage of position......knowing that courage was the one thing that would save them.
Julius Caesar, 57 BC
Julius Caesar, 57 BC
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Major Destruction
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
As one of the OOB editors, I understand the feeling that players have about this seemingly secret edit that is going on.
It isn't secret out of intent rather (in my instance) from exhaustion. After a few hours of editing the OOB to fix the hundreds of minor errors that are there, were there, and were built in from the word go. Going round and round, sometimes arriving back at the beginning and wondering what I am wasting my time for.
At that point, the last thing on my mind is to report to the world my misadventures and walks up the garden path.
Here for those who want the details are one such adventure.
Please, if you find any errors, report them to me.
Belgium Edit
Import 6 pounder gun Mk4/5 from UK
Use weapon 82 in unit 022
Added sound names to weapons
089 Panzerfaust 627
090 PIAT 633
091 M1 Bazooka 636
092 Panzerschreck 624
216 Mas 38 SMG 621
136 Change LBM to 7024
132 Change LBM from 62 to 7040
227 Latil TAR H2 change LBM from 7673 to 7921
Major Overhaul 4 Mar 2004
UNITS
004 ACG-1
Change start date from May 1940 to April 1940
Change HE ammo to 15 (10)
total Ammo load is now 55- correct?
005 T13 B.1
FC 1 (0)
Radio 11 (90)
End Date 1940 (1941)
Armour and cost adjusted.
006 Stuart I
FC 3 (2)
RgF 4 (3)
Radio 70 (91)
FT 38 (42)
Smoke Dis: No (Yes)
end date retained at 1943. British army stopped using them earlier than that. Were any in use in the Belgian Army outside of the ETO in 1944?
008 Sherman I
Carry 12 (8)
Skirts 50 (70) The Sherman II had the cast hull.
009 Sherman V
Carry 12 (8)
010 T.13 B.3
RgF 2 (1)
Speed 26 (18)
Radio 20 (10)
FH 20/25 (10/0)
FT 22 (10)
ST 10/0 (10/22)
RT 10/0 (10/15)
Add weapon 2 196
Cost 30 (24)
Class Tank Destroyer (turret Tank Destroyer)
011 Panhard 178
Radio code 13 (10) excludes this unit from formations
012 Humber MkII
Carry 2 (4)
Radio 71 (91)
Start Date Nov 41 (July 40)
Add weapon 2 179
Fix armour same as UK model
013 Daimler AC
Change name to Daimler MkI AC
Start date July 42 (May 42)
AP 48
014 Carry 105 (check what guns this unit is supposed to haul.)
It isn't secret out of intent rather (in my instance) from exhaustion. After a few hours of editing the OOB to fix the hundreds of minor errors that are there, were there, and were built in from the word go. Going round and round, sometimes arriving back at the beginning and wondering what I am wasting my time for.
At that point, the last thing on my mind is to report to the world my misadventures and walks up the garden path.
Here for those who want the details are one such adventure.
Please, if you find any errors, report them to me.
Belgium Edit
Import 6 pounder gun Mk4/5 from UK
Use weapon 82 in unit 022
Added sound names to weapons
089 Panzerfaust 627
090 PIAT 633
091 M1 Bazooka 636
092 Panzerschreck 624
216 Mas 38 SMG 621
136 Change LBM to 7024
132 Change LBM from 62 to 7040
227 Latil TAR H2 change LBM from 7673 to 7921
Major Overhaul 4 Mar 2004
UNITS
004 ACG-1
Change start date from May 1940 to April 1940
Change HE ammo to 15 (10)
total Ammo load is now 55- correct?
005 T13 B.1
FC 1 (0)
Radio 11 (90)
End Date 1940 (1941)
Armour and cost adjusted.
006 Stuart I
FC 3 (2)
RgF 4 (3)
Radio 70 (91)
FT 38 (42)
Smoke Dis: No (Yes)
end date retained at 1943. British army stopped using them earlier than that. Were any in use in the Belgian Army outside of the ETO in 1944?
008 Sherman I
Carry 12 (8)
Skirts 50 (70) The Sherman II had the cast hull.
009 Sherman V
Carry 12 (8)
010 T.13 B.3
RgF 2 (1)
Speed 26 (18)
Radio 20 (10)
FH 20/25 (10/0)
FT 22 (10)
ST 10/0 (10/22)
RT 10/0 (10/15)
Add weapon 2 196
Cost 30 (24)
Class Tank Destroyer (turret Tank Destroyer)
011 Panhard 178
Radio code 13 (10) excludes this unit from formations
012 Humber MkII
Carry 2 (4)
Radio 71 (91)
Start Date Nov 41 (July 40)
Add weapon 2 179
Fix armour same as UK model
013 Daimler AC
Change name to Daimler MkI AC
Start date July 42 (May 42)
AP 48
014 Carry 105 (check what guns this unit is supposed to haul.)
They struggled with a ferocity that was to be expected of brave men fighting with forlorn hope against an enemy who had the advantage of position......knowing that courage was the one thing that would save them.
Julius Caesar, 57 BC
Julius Caesar, 57 BC
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Major Destruction
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
OOOPs, sorry there was more.........
Rarity 1 (0)
015
Radio 10 (11)
End date 1940 (1949)
016 Bedford QL (Check the weapon)
017 AGR2
Change end date 1940 (1949)
018 47mmL32 SA FRC
Change name to Canon 47mm AC
019
Change radio code 90 (13)
Remove10 rounds AP ammo
Change cost 36 (50) - same as for Germany 75mm how
020 2pdr AT-Gun
Change name to Canon 2Pdr AC
021 6Pdr AT-Gun
Change name to Canon 6Pdr AC
Rarity 0 (1)
022 6Pdr AT-Gun L
Change name to Canon 6Pdr L AC
024 40mm bofors
Radio 60 (80)
025 BE 60mm Mortar
Crew 4 (8)
Cost 24 (56)
026 BE 81mm Mortar
Cost 32 (26)
End Date 1948 (1949)
027 BE 4.2in Mortar
LBM 9941 (57)
Cost 36 (38)
028 Browning FN MG
FC 2 (1)
Radio 10 (2)
030 BE Rifle Sqd
Cost 18 (20)
031 BE Rifle Sqd
FC 2 (1)
Cost 22 (20)
LBM 7791 (7808)
032 BE Rifle Sqd
FC 2 (1)
Cost 22 (20)
*Check the Class*
Remove HE ammo from Piat
End Date 1946 (1949)
cost 27 (29)
032
Class Infantry (Heavy Infantry)
033 BE Rifle Sqd
FC 2 (1)
Cost 28 (25)
End Date 1945 (1949)
034 Engineers
**Check Class**
Cost 32 (42)
Swap weapons 2 and 3
End Date 1945 (1949)
035 BE Cavalry
Change end date to 1932 (1940)
036 BE ATR
Change rarity to 13 to exclude this unit from purchase
**Remove unit if possible**
037 Boys ATR
Chnge start date to March 1940 (July 1940)
Change radio to 12 (0)
038 PIAT
Change end date to 1945 (1949)
Remove HE ammo
041 Ammo Dump
Change end date 1940 (1949)
**see unit 201**
Change weight 255 (250)
042 Fort
Change unit details
043/
**Change later**
044 Fairey fox
Change start Date Jan 1935 (1937)
Add 8 10kg bombs
Add SH 1
Cost 26 (14)
045 Gladiator
Change rarity 2 (0)
Weapons
046 Hurricane MkI
Start Date June 1939 (May 1940)
Rarity 2 (0)
SH 1 (0)
047 BE Eng Sqd
End Date 1945 (1949)
Weapon 2 097 (087)
Weapon 3 087 (229) aaaaargh! misc small arms is for crewmen ONLY!!
Cost 31 (27)
Class motorised engineers (engineers)
048 C.R.42 AS Falco
Change name to CR.42 AS Falco
Start Date Feb 1940 (Jan 1939)
Rarity 2 (0)
049 Battle
Rarity 2 (0)
Start Date March 1938 (Jan 1939)
050 FO Bren Carrier
Weight 224 (124)
End Date 1946 (1949)
051 Add unit Company HQ
052 Add Unit BE Engineer Sec
053/054 Command Post
Rarity 1 (2)
055
Rarity 1 (2)
End Date 1945 (1949)
056/058
End Date 1945 (1949)
060 BE 50mm Mortar
Rarity 0 (1)
Use LBM for Romanian lt mortar?
Cost 17 (16)
061 BE Pioneers
Cost 31 (42)
Exchange weapons 4 and 3
062 76mm L9 FRC IG
Change name to BE 76mm Mortar
Change class to mortar (62- Infantry Gun)
Crew 4 (6)
FC 0 (1)
Rarity 0 (1)
Weight 104 (106)
Cost 22 (15)
063
Size 2 (3)
064
Speed 18 (32)
Radio 21 (10)
Icon 1007 (995)
Ammo 30 (20)
065
Radio 20 (11)
Cost 30 (33)
067 M3A5 Grant
Copy data from UK to get the correct text entry
Start Date November 1942 (May 1942) M3A5 not built until Novemeber.
068 Jeep
Crew 2 (1)
Carry 104 (105)
Weight 223 (113)
Ed Date 1945
Weapon 1 139 (143)
069
LBM 7766 (403)
Carry 10 (110)
070
End Date 1945 (1949)
LBM 315 (396)
073
End Date 1946 (1949)
Cost 91 (132)
Ammo loadout same as for UK
074 17Pdr AT-Gun
Change name to Canon 17 Pdr AC
075
Cost 61 (63)
076 M20 Scout
change name to M20 Scout Car
077
End Date 1945 (1949)
079
Rarity 1 (2)
084
LBM 7712 (664)
Weapon 2 0 (148)
Weapon 4 133 (0)
End Date 1945 (1949)
**Edit ammo load**
085 Add 75mm Battery
086 Add 150mm Baty
088
LBM 7608 (8204)
Text 0 (8204)
089
LBM 7614 (67)
090 Create unit
095 create unit
**Add LBM**
096 Create Unit
098
**Fix Later**
099 Obs Post
Start Date 1934 (1930)
Cost 32 (36)
100 Replace unit with new Fort
101
Strongpoint
Replace entirely with a MG fort
102 New unit
103
Weapon 4 HE ammo 0 (40) AP ammo 40 (0)
FC2 (1)
cost 24 (20)
104
Name Motor Cav Sec (Motor Inf Sqd)
Start 1937 (1930)
105
FC 2 (1)
End Date 1945 (1949)
Cost 21 (20)
106
FC 2 (1)
End Date 1945 (1949)
Cost 26 (28)
108 Carry 220 (224)
Weapon 1 237 (114)
109
Start date June 1944 (June 1945)
110
End date 1946 (1949)
cost 51 (73)
111-129 New units
140-208 New Units
**Check data**
202-221, 224, 231-235, 242, 243 New Units
244 Change end date to 1940
245 Change availability to Jan 41-45 (Jan 43-49)
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Weapons
12
13
16
17
20
21
24 new
29
30
33
37
38
40
42
43 (new)
44
45
49 (new?) Change name.
54 Change name from 77mm L37 mle GP to 77mm L37 GP
56 (new)
57 OK
63
71
72
75 OK
76 OK
81 new
82
83
84
87
88 import from USA
90
96 New
97
98 new
101
102 OK
103 OK
105 imported from UK
107
111 create new weapon
114
116 New
117 new
118
120
130
131
133 copied from UK
134
139
140
142 not available for purchase but used
143
148
150 new
160
163
164
176 copied from UK OOB
177
179
184
185
196
197
205 new
207
217 new
227 Create M2 SMG
Range 12
Acc 4
Warhead 1
HEKill 4
Sound 558
228 import M3 SMG from USA
rename to M3A1
increase HEKill to 4 (3)
229
230 (new) July 42-49
232 new weapon
233
235 imported from USA
237 PM Sten (used for truck weapon)
239
240
242
243
Formations
1002 Armoured Cav Sec
1003
Units 001 (002)
1004
End Date 1945 (1949)
1004/1005 Change units to 006 (007)
1009
Remove all Trucks
Units 1/2 103 (106)
1010
Name motor Cav Plt (Motor Inf Plt)
Start Date 1937 (1930)
Remove LMG and mortar and replace trucks
1011
Name Inf Plt Reserve (Rifle Plt-)
Special 20 (0)
Unit 5 060 (0)
1012
Engineer Plt
Remove
1013
Name Engineer Plt (Sec)
End date 1940 (1949)
Special 10 (0)
Units 52 (34)
Move to 1012
New 1013
Engineer company
1014/1044 Chasseurs Plt/Sqdrn
Change end date to 1932
(1940)
1030 Remove unit 5
1046 rebuild formation according to TOE
1047 Remove Unit 2
1048 Remove unit 3
1049 End date 1946 (1949)
1050/1051 End Date 1945 (1942)
1053 Rebuild
End date 1946 (1949) see 1144.
1056 change platoons to 1036 (1035)
1058 Remove - unnecessary
1061 Inf Gun Sec removed
Replaced by Howitzer Battalion
1063 Inf Gun Plt removed
Replace with new formation
1064 remove (duplicatedin 1065)
replace with new formation
1066 remove
1068 End Date 1945 (1949)
1069 Start Date 1931 (1930)
1070 New formation
1072 New formation
1075 remove unit 4
1076-1078 New Formations
1081-1089 New Fromations
1090 End Date 1945 (1949)
1092 Replace formation with Halftrack Section
1098 End date 1945 (1949)
1099 Add Formation
1101-1109 New Formations
1117-1130 New formations
1132 end date 1941 (1949)
1133 New Formation
1134 End Date 1941 (1949)
1177-1180 New formation
1178 is only for convenience. Use restricted to motor infantry companies in the lower slots therefore asigned recon status to avoid using excessive orders, assigned elite status to increase the cost accordingly and placed in the unknown purchase screen to restrict this formation to inf companies.
j edit (icon fixes)
169/170 Icon 1002 (530)
added unit 149 (imported from Version 3) - needs formation
Rarity 1 (0)
015
Radio 10 (11)
End date 1940 (1949)
016 Bedford QL (Check the weapon)
017 AGR2
Change end date 1940 (1949)
018 47mmL32 SA FRC
Change name to Canon 47mm AC
019
Change radio code 90 (13)
Remove10 rounds AP ammo
Change cost 36 (50) - same as for Germany 75mm how
020 2pdr AT-Gun
Change name to Canon 2Pdr AC
021 6Pdr AT-Gun
Change name to Canon 6Pdr AC
Rarity 0 (1)
022 6Pdr AT-Gun L
Change name to Canon 6Pdr L AC
024 40mm bofors
Radio 60 (80)
025 BE 60mm Mortar
Crew 4 (8)
Cost 24 (56)
026 BE 81mm Mortar
Cost 32 (26)
End Date 1948 (1949)
027 BE 4.2in Mortar
LBM 9941 (57)
Cost 36 (38)
028 Browning FN MG
FC 2 (1)
Radio 10 (2)
030 BE Rifle Sqd
Cost 18 (20)
031 BE Rifle Sqd
FC 2 (1)
Cost 22 (20)
LBM 7791 (7808)
032 BE Rifle Sqd
FC 2 (1)
Cost 22 (20)
*Check the Class*
Remove HE ammo from Piat
End Date 1946 (1949)
cost 27 (29)
032
Class Infantry (Heavy Infantry)
033 BE Rifle Sqd
FC 2 (1)
Cost 28 (25)
End Date 1945 (1949)
034 Engineers
**Check Class**
Cost 32 (42)
Swap weapons 2 and 3
End Date 1945 (1949)
035 BE Cavalry
Change end date to 1932 (1940)
036 BE ATR
Change rarity to 13 to exclude this unit from purchase
**Remove unit if possible**
037 Boys ATR
Chnge start date to March 1940 (July 1940)
Change radio to 12 (0)
038 PIAT
Change end date to 1945 (1949)
Remove HE ammo
041 Ammo Dump
Change end date 1940 (1949)
**see unit 201**
Change weight 255 (250)
042 Fort
Change unit details
043/
**Change later**
044 Fairey fox
Change start Date Jan 1935 (1937)
Add 8 10kg bombs
Add SH 1
Cost 26 (14)
045 Gladiator
Change rarity 2 (0)
Weapons
046 Hurricane MkI
Start Date June 1939 (May 1940)
Rarity 2 (0)
SH 1 (0)
047 BE Eng Sqd
End Date 1945 (1949)
Weapon 2 097 (087)
Weapon 3 087 (229) aaaaargh! misc small arms is for crewmen ONLY!!
Cost 31 (27)
Class motorised engineers (engineers)
048 C.R.42 AS Falco
Change name to CR.42 AS Falco
Start Date Feb 1940 (Jan 1939)
Rarity 2 (0)
049 Battle
Rarity 2 (0)
Start Date March 1938 (Jan 1939)
050 FO Bren Carrier
Weight 224 (124)
End Date 1946 (1949)
051 Add unit Company HQ
052 Add Unit BE Engineer Sec
053/054 Command Post
Rarity 1 (2)
055
Rarity 1 (2)
End Date 1945 (1949)
056/058
End Date 1945 (1949)
060 BE 50mm Mortar
Rarity 0 (1)
Use LBM for Romanian lt mortar?
Cost 17 (16)
061 BE Pioneers
Cost 31 (42)
Exchange weapons 4 and 3
062 76mm L9 FRC IG
Change name to BE 76mm Mortar
Change class to mortar (62- Infantry Gun)
Crew 4 (6)
FC 0 (1)
Rarity 0 (1)
Weight 104 (106)
Cost 22 (15)
063
Size 2 (3)
064
Speed 18 (32)
Radio 21 (10)
Icon 1007 (995)
Ammo 30 (20)
065
Radio 20 (11)
Cost 30 (33)
067 M3A5 Grant
Copy data from UK to get the correct text entry
Start Date November 1942 (May 1942) M3A5 not built until Novemeber.
068 Jeep
Crew 2 (1)
Carry 104 (105)
Weight 223 (113)
Ed Date 1945
Weapon 1 139 (143)
069
LBM 7766 (403)
Carry 10 (110)
070
End Date 1945 (1949)
LBM 315 (396)
073
End Date 1946 (1949)
Cost 91 (132)
Ammo loadout same as for UK
074 17Pdr AT-Gun
Change name to Canon 17 Pdr AC
075
Cost 61 (63)
076 M20 Scout
change name to M20 Scout Car
077
End Date 1945 (1949)
079
Rarity 1 (2)
084
LBM 7712 (664)
Weapon 2 0 (148)
Weapon 4 133 (0)
End Date 1945 (1949)
**Edit ammo load**
085 Add 75mm Battery
086 Add 150mm Baty
088
LBM 7608 (8204)
Text 0 (8204)
089
LBM 7614 (67)
090 Create unit
095 create unit
**Add LBM**
096 Create Unit
098
**Fix Later**
099 Obs Post
Start Date 1934 (1930)
Cost 32 (36)
100 Replace unit with new Fort
101
Strongpoint
Replace entirely with a MG fort
102 New unit
103
Weapon 4 HE ammo 0 (40) AP ammo 40 (0)
FC2 (1)
cost 24 (20)
104
Name Motor Cav Sec (Motor Inf Sqd)
Start 1937 (1930)
105
FC 2 (1)
End Date 1945 (1949)
Cost 21 (20)
106
FC 2 (1)
End Date 1945 (1949)
Cost 26 (28)
108 Carry 220 (224)
Weapon 1 237 (114)
109
Start date June 1944 (June 1945)
110
End date 1946 (1949)
cost 51 (73)
111-129 New units
140-208 New Units
**Check data**
202-221, 224, 231-235, 242, 243 New Units
244 Change end date to 1940
245 Change availability to Jan 41-45 (Jan 43-49)
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Weapons
12
13
16
17
20
21
24 new
29
30
33
37
38
40
42
43 (new)
44
45
49 (new?) Change name.
54 Change name from 77mm L37 mle GP to 77mm L37 GP
56 (new)
57 OK
63
71
72
75 OK
76 OK
81 new
82
83
84
87
88 import from USA
90
96 New
97
98 new
101
102 OK
103 OK
105 imported from UK
107
111 create new weapon
114
116 New
117 new
118
120
130
131
133 copied from UK
134
139
140
142 not available for purchase but used
143
148
150 new
160
163
164
176 copied from UK OOB
177
179
184
185
196
197
205 new
207
217 new
227 Create M2 SMG
Range 12
Acc 4
Warhead 1
HEKill 4
Sound 558
228 import M3 SMG from USA
rename to M3A1
increase HEKill to 4 (3)
229
230 (new) July 42-49
232 new weapon
233
235 imported from USA
237 PM Sten (used for truck weapon)
239
240
242
243
Formations
1002 Armoured Cav Sec
1003
Units 001 (002)
1004
End Date 1945 (1949)
1004/1005 Change units to 006 (007)
1009
Remove all Trucks
Units 1/2 103 (106)
1010
Name motor Cav Plt (Motor Inf Plt)
Start Date 1937 (1930)
Remove LMG and mortar and replace trucks
1011
Name Inf Plt Reserve (Rifle Plt-)
Special 20 (0)
Unit 5 060 (0)
1012
Engineer Plt
Remove
1013
Name Engineer Plt (Sec)
End date 1940 (1949)
Special 10 (0)
Units 52 (34)
Move to 1012
New 1013
Engineer company
1014/1044 Chasseurs Plt/Sqdrn
Change end date to 1932
(1940)
1030 Remove unit 5
1046 rebuild formation according to TOE
1047 Remove Unit 2
1048 Remove unit 3
1049 End date 1946 (1949)
1050/1051 End Date 1945 (1942)
1053 Rebuild
End date 1946 (1949) see 1144.
1056 change platoons to 1036 (1035)
1058 Remove - unnecessary
1061 Inf Gun Sec removed
Replaced by Howitzer Battalion
1063 Inf Gun Plt removed
Replace with new formation
1064 remove (duplicatedin 1065)
replace with new formation
1066 remove
1068 End Date 1945 (1949)
1069 Start Date 1931 (1930)
1070 New formation
1072 New formation
1075 remove unit 4
1076-1078 New Formations
1081-1089 New Fromations
1090 End Date 1945 (1949)
1092 Replace formation with Halftrack Section
1098 End date 1945 (1949)
1099 Add Formation
1101-1109 New Formations
1117-1130 New formations
1132 end date 1941 (1949)
1133 New Formation
1134 End Date 1941 (1949)
1177-1180 New formation
1178 is only for convenience. Use restricted to motor infantry companies in the lower slots therefore asigned recon status to avoid using excessive orders, assigned elite status to increase the cost accordingly and placed in the unknown purchase screen to restrict this formation to inf companies.
j edit (icon fixes)
169/170 Icon 1002 (530)
added unit 149 (imported from Version 3) - needs formation
They struggled with a ferocity that was to be expected of brave men fighting with forlorn hope against an enemy who had the advantage of position......knowing that courage was the one thing that would save them.
Julius Caesar, 57 BC
Julius Caesar, 57 BC
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Orzel Bialy
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
ORIGINAL: Major Destruction
What do you guys think about bicycle units?
Do they work?
Would you rather the bicycles were eliminated and those jaeger type units replaced with regular infantry?
MD...I'm not trying to start anything...but why ask this question if the files were indeed finalized and handed over to MG for posting?[&:]
RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Orzel - Anyway, at this point my real beef is the handling of the files since they were declared done what? two weeks ago...if not more? Does MG have to tell us what they are doing? No, they don't...but it would be nice and it might have cut down on the feeling of frustration that a good part of the community has felt as of late. A little "heads up" goes a long way.
I find this rather disconcerting. Here you are railing against MG because they haven't given you a heads up on a patch for a free game after two weeks. Yet you criticized me for complaining about no heads up on an update for a mega that I paid for and that was after two YEARS. Geez. Some people need to get their heads on straight.
Me? I'm just happy there is an SPWAW. And I'm grateful to those who use their talents and take their time to try and make it better, including scenario designers. And for a company that spends a lot of time and money on it. That's all.
I find this rather disconcerting. Here you are railing against MG because they haven't given you a heads up on a patch for a free game after two weeks. Yet you criticized me for complaining about no heads up on an update for a mega that I paid for and that was after two YEARS. Geez. Some people need to get their heads on straight.
Me? I'm just happy there is an SPWAW. And I'm grateful to those who use their talents and take their time to try and make it better, including scenario designers. And for a company that spends a lot of time and money on it. That's all.
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Orzel Bialy
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
no Rich, most of my objection was targeted against the way you were tending to personalize your "complaints" by working in personal attacks against Brent Richards. [8|]
RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
However I worded it, all I asked for was a periodic "heads up" on the update. Since Brent was in charge of the project, this was asked of him personally. I'm not trying to dredge this up again. My last post on the subject was made some time ago and that's it.
But if memory serves you never even said I had a point (correct me if my memory serves wrong) in asking for info on the update. After two years. Yet here you are bitching and moaning after two weeks on a free game. Just seems a little hypocritical, that's all.
I'm as anxious as everyone to get the patch and check it out, but I believe Matrix is doing it to the best of its ability and it will be out as soon as possible.
But if memory serves you never even said I had a point (correct me if my memory serves wrong) in asking for info on the update. After two years. Yet here you are bitching and moaning after two weeks on a free game. Just seems a little hypocritical, that's all.
I'm as anxious as everyone to get the patch and check it out, but I believe Matrix is doing it to the best of its ability and it will be out as soon as possible.
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Orzel Bialy
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Looking to do a bit of trolling eh Rich?
OK...first of all, since your memory has seemingly failed you...I was the person who originally contacted a Bryan Melvin and Brent Richards on your behalf of my own accord, via my connections as a member of the Raiders. Find the thread if it wasn't lost in the hack and maybe you'll see how things originally went down.
I didn't disagree with your right to ask about the missing text initially...in fact my original actions showed concern with your position. It was only after Brent and Bryan finally gave you answers that you didn't like (and when you continued to post threads that were nothing more than personal attacks) that I lost all sympathy for your position. After a while your constant demands for an apology from Brent for "lying" became so old and annoying I did join the NUMEROUS OTHER VOICES that began to tell you to accept the outcome and get on with things....which seems to be the only thing you remember about me and for which you have a desire to get your pound of flesh. Well go ahead little man, have at it. [8|]
As for me, I am asking about the release of the new files because (unlike you and your trolling about the LV text files) I have not heard back from anyone about the issue. If someone at MG says they will be released in the next two weeks...then fine, I'll have my answer and go from there.
I don't post here very often anymore, in fact I only do in order to see what's new with the update because I would like to resume designing scenarios...people like you strengthen that conviction to visit here less and less often. Anyway...hope you feel better now that justice has been served in your mind. If I only I really cared what you thought. [>:]
OK...first of all, since your memory has seemingly failed you...I was the person who originally contacted a Bryan Melvin and Brent Richards on your behalf of my own accord, via my connections as a member of the Raiders. Find the thread if it wasn't lost in the hack and maybe you'll see how things originally went down.
I didn't disagree with your right to ask about the missing text initially...in fact my original actions showed concern with your position. It was only after Brent and Bryan finally gave you answers that you didn't like (and when you continued to post threads that were nothing more than personal attacks) that I lost all sympathy for your position. After a while your constant demands for an apology from Brent for "lying" became so old and annoying I did join the NUMEROUS OTHER VOICES that began to tell you to accept the outcome and get on with things....which seems to be the only thing you remember about me and for which you have a desire to get your pound of flesh. Well go ahead little man, have at it. [8|]
As for me, I am asking about the release of the new files because (unlike you and your trolling about the LV text files) I have not heard back from anyone about the issue. If someone at MG says they will be released in the next two weeks...then fine, I'll have my answer and go from there.
I don't post here very often anymore, in fact I only do in order to see what's new with the update because I would like to resume designing scenarios...people like you strengthen that conviction to visit here less and less often. Anyway...hope you feel better now that justice has been served in your mind. If I only I really cared what you thought. [>:]
RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
ORIGINAL: Major Destruction
What do you guys think about bicycle units?
Do they work?
Would you rather the bicycles were eliminated and those jaeger type units replaced with regular infantry?
Replace them!!!
Thats my vote
or oil their chains!! LOL
RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Actually "the end of March" was the release date, not 2 weeks ago.ORIGINAL: rich12545
Yet here you are bitching and moaning after two weeks on a free game. Just seems a little hypocritical, that's all.
no biggy, just throwing that out there[:D]
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Major_Johnson
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Hey, what's the name of that scenario?? I'll add it to the list of ones to play.
But I'll tell ya, I've actually had a couple of decent turns. At the very least, I stopped my opponents advance temporarily. I changed my tactics. I found that in a shooting match from a distance there is just no way the Russian technology can compare to German technology. Your best shot is to get the fighting up close, practically hand to hand. Now I could get my next turn and find that I've been wiped out, but for now my Russki's are least putting up a fight. [:)]
But I'll tell ya, I've actually had a couple of decent turns. At the very least, I stopped my opponents advance temporarily. I changed my tactics. I found that in a shooting match from a distance there is just no way the Russian technology can compare to German technology. Your best shot is to get the fighting up close, practically hand to hand. Now I could get my next turn and find that I've been wiped out, but for now my Russki's are least putting up a fight. [:)]
M.J.!
We serve others best when at the same time we serve ourselves.
We serve others best when at the same time we serve ourselves.
RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Trolling? That's a laugh. I just don't care much for hypocrites, that's all. You lambasted me for the same thing that you're doing now. Then when you get called on it you get your tail in a knot. Tough.
Your post is so full of errors it's difficult to know where to start. I'll just cover one of your paragraphs. Here it is:
As for me, I am asking about the release of the new files because (unlike you and your trolling about the LV text files) I have not heard back from anyone about the issue. If someone at MG says they will be released in the next two weeks...then fine, I'll have my answer and go from there.
What a crock. Here's what happened. Brent came on and gave a release date. I went on from there. The release date came and went. No update. And no heads up. I inquired about the update. Brent came on and gave a release date. I went on from there. The release date came and went. No update. And no heads up. I inquired again. Brent came on and gave a release date. I went on from there. The release date came and went. No update. No heads up. This was now about TWO YEARS after the original promise of an update and a release date. By this time, then yes I started getting insulting.
I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of this. I have nothing against you personally. It just struck me as hypocritical that you would post the same thing you criticized me for. So I brought it up. That's all. If you don't like the truth and want to call it trolling then that's your problem.
Your post is so full of errors it's difficult to know where to start. I'll just cover one of your paragraphs. Here it is:
As for me, I am asking about the release of the new files because (unlike you and your trolling about the LV text files) I have not heard back from anyone about the issue. If someone at MG says they will be released in the next two weeks...then fine, I'll have my answer and go from there.
What a crock. Here's what happened. Brent came on and gave a release date. I went on from there. The release date came and went. No update. And no heads up. I inquired about the update. Brent came on and gave a release date. I went on from there. The release date came and went. No update. And no heads up. I inquired again. Brent came on and gave a release date. I went on from there. The release date came and went. No update. No heads up. This was now about TWO YEARS after the original promise of an update and a release date. By this time, then yes I started getting insulting.
I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of this. I have nothing against you personally. It just struck me as hypocritical that you would post the same thing you criticized me for. So I brought it up. That's all. If you don't like the truth and want to call it trolling then that's your problem.
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Major_Johnson
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
This is what I miss, a little bit of excitment here at the forum!! Ahhh for the good ole days! But let's fight nice!!! [:D]
M.J.!
We serve others best when at the same time we serve ourselves.
We serve others best when at the same time we serve ourselves.
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Orzel Bialy
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RE: Countless Hours and days and years and now 8.2
Rich...yes, that is the post of someone who isn't taking anything personal. [8|]
I am a hypocrit to you...and you are troll in my eyes. Guess we are even.
If you read my replies, rather than getting pissy as usual...then you will see that, again, my objection to you and your posts centered on your insults towards Brent. Where have I in any of my posts called out someone by name and started insulting them or questioning their character as you did? Not only that...when and where have I done that over and over as you did with your posts for a good chunk of time?
Anyways, the link I provided you in the PM shows that counter to your great memory...I did offer assistance to you in the beginning...and tried to help get you answers. Only later did I finally get tired of your posts and chime in to tell you to get a life.
I could easily post the links and enlarge this little tit for tat...but as I said in my PM to you last night...I'd be much happier pretending that you don't exsist. Feel free to do likewise.
I am a hypocrit to you...and you are troll in my eyes. Guess we are even.
If you read my replies, rather than getting pissy as usual...then you will see that, again, my objection to you and your posts centered on your insults towards Brent. Where have I in any of my posts called out someone by name and started insulting them or questioning their character as you did? Not only that...when and where have I done that over and over as you did with your posts for a good chunk of time?
Anyways, the link I provided you in the PM shows that counter to your great memory...I did offer assistance to you in the beginning...and tried to help get you answers. Only later did I finally get tired of your posts and chime in to tell you to get a life.
I could easily post the links and enlarge this little tit for tat...but as I said in my PM to you last night...I'd be much happier pretending that you don't exsist. Feel free to do likewise.