SPWAW v7.0 & Mega Campaigns ?

AlvinS · Post by **AlvinS** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 2:09 am

Paul

Well said. I have played Steel Panthers since the beginning and there is no comparison in quality of the game as we know it now. I for one appreciate the hard work you and others have put into this great game. There are so many ways to enjoy playing this game that a problem in one are will not stop me from playing it.

I pre-ordered the Lost Victories campaign and and am patiently waiting for it. I look forward to Combat leader and other games that you are working on.

Alvins

Gen.Hoepner · Post by **Gen.Hoepner** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 2:11 am

Well,I must say that Paul is right.Many people here do complains about a free game without spending any money.We all have to understand that Matrix guys are real persons.People who woek and need to earn for their work.It's a service.the forum is a service too,and each service must be paid.The Bug problem.....well I think that everyone here has done his best.Even if I'm still hit by Yugo Bug I'm waiting to buy LV 'cause i do believe in this great project called Matrix.Combat Leader is the future.SPWAW is still the present,and as long as it lasts will be a piece of my heart.
Keep on working and keep of having fun with your job Paul!We all believe in YOU!
Regards

ruxius · Post by **ruxius** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 2:58 am

and BROTHER PAUL !
(I make 'some' difference within my 'family' ONLY because I know you are younger than WB .. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

..but both of you are higly esteemed here for your dedication to SPWAW at the same level..

When reading your post I feel very sad..because I discover here one thing I never knew before..I never knew efforts hadn't been succesfull !
(I am talking in 'business' therms)

I never doubt the MegaCDs were the primarily way
we have to say thank you for what you have done...
I bought the first MEGACD and also Firefight
I ordered the second MEGACD and stay sure I will not stop to give my support...I will buy the third MEGACD and also Combat LEader is full of
expectation for me...

What let me down is that now I hear that many of us didn't appreciate the revolution you ,WB, and the MAtrix ,brought here..
"The first time a software house decides to interact with their supporters to enhance its
work always and always.."

I remember a lot of posts at the beginning which were full of congratulations...but now I understand better ....that topics were written by 45..70 100 fellows...perhaps always the same crew of loyal supporters...
How many are we? 100 ? 200 ? 300 ? Give us a number to know...
Now I understand what made you write that post....it is that the majority of 4500 readers of this forum didn't deserve what they received...
Whiners are not the problem..they are very few..and they had been always contrasted by us , the Loyal ones..
The problem is that the Loyals are not so many..
Gosh !
Now I understand what it may mean to read here only complaints about bugs ...and only a programmer can understand what it means trying to work on a complex source code written by others...

I will follow you in the Combat LEader forum since now..I believe this game will be a noble heir of the SPAWAW's tradition..you prooved since the first day this belief !
You prooved since the first day what you CAN DO..
Also WB ..even if he physicallly retired he will always live through this forum and through his scenarios..
Matrix is a 'band of Benefactors' for wargaming community..let me cry it out !!

So Good work Paul..
don't forget your loyal supporters..

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Alby · Post by **Alby** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:16 am

Originally posted by AlvinS:
Paul

Well said. I have played Steel Panthers since the beginning and there is no comparison in quality of the game as we know it now. I for one appreciate the hard work you and others have put into this great game. There are so many ways to enjoy playing this game that a problem in one are will not stop me from playing it.

I pre-ordered the Lost Victories campaign and and am patiently waiting for it. I look forward to Combat leader and other games that you are working on.

Alvins

Ditto from me!!!

<img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Paul V, David H, WB just seemed to vanish there for a long while, Glad to see your still out there!!!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> We all are like ur children, we need a phone call every now and then hehehheheh. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> Thanks for all the hard work, as has been stated before, this is the best SP game out there, There are no glaring bugs that I have experienced, So I am more than happy with the way spwaw has gone.
Thanks Again

LeibstandartePzD · Post by **LeibstandartePzD** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 6:28 am

I have bought the first MC, have the second and a few t-shirts on preorder and as far as I'm concerned i will buy whatever you put up in the store. We all and by that I mean the gaming public need to do what we can to purchase all we can from Matrix. In the end it is to our benefit because we get a hold of some of the absolutly best games out there.

It might sound stupid but I would buy Matrix Games matchbooks if it would help out the company. I realize the people on here are from many different countries, different ages, and from different financial situations but we need to all do our part in supporting Matrix as they have done for us providing us these great games.

Heck it's gotten to the point where all I play is SPWaW and Europa Universalis. This will of course change once more Matrix Games are on the market. Anyway off my soap box. I hope I haven't offended anyone.

P.S. Let's not forget our nations troops deployed overseas and at home. No matter what country your from show your support for them.

Kilroy · Post by **Kilroy** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:29 am

Never have I experienced wargaming as it is presented by Matrix. Times I've been frustrated with minor bugs and an order delay, however a simple email to Paul, David, or Wild Bill prompted an immediate response. Interaction is what it's all about and I know I'll not find anything better, any where else, any time soon. I could't put a monatery value on the hours of enjoyment I've had with SPWAW, and the wealth of expertise and wisdom which is present on this forum. Ruxius said, and I'll second it, anyone who played every scenario, all the campaigns, including Desert Fox, genereated campaigns, editing ,map making, and all else SPWAW has to offer is one heck of an individual. With 2 more Megs ready to roll and more down the road , things are looking great. Can't wait for Uncommon Valor.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:02 pm

Gentlemen,

Let me thank you so very much for remembering the old Colonel. I've put many years into this hobby. My #1 goal was to be able to learn, share and enjoy the hobby with other gamers of like mind.

Brian, I'm delighted to know MCNA was fun for you in spite of some of the initial coding bugs.

I've found just that here at this forum and throughout the years the camaraderie and mutual respect has more than rewarded anything I have done.

It's very much appreciated that you guys have enjoyed what we have done.

And I'm still here. Like Steel Panthers and the Everready battery, I just keep "going...and going..and going" <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Wild Bill

gnoccop · Post by **gnoccop** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:44 pm

Many thanks to all Matrix staff!
Wonderful wargame.
Great support from you and the fans.
Big (?) companies like EA are lightyears beyond from you in support and post-sales services (they sold beta product and they say are gold and good for sales (like MIcro$oft).
I think that Matrix is a very good and serious company!
Thak you
I'll buy CL (is it possible to preorder NOW? And why not you develop under LINUX?)

brianleeprice · Post by **brianleeprice** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:48 pm

I had a couple earlier replies after Mr Vebber's post that I ended up deleting because they were either too long and or too forthright. The only thing I'll say is - somebody please give that poor man a vacation.

Wild Bill, I've definately become of fan. Any company that provides a canvas for your scenario and campaign design artistry is going to have me as a customer.

Brian Price

kurtbj · Post by **kurtbj** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 1:02 pm

I for one have never really experienced any bugs with the game, if there were any they were just one off events that disn't bother me or so small I never noticed. All in all SPWAW is the best computer game I've ever played, I can't think of anything else that has held my attention for so long.

Paul V. Sorry to hear that the sales of the MCs were below what you expected. The work you guys have done with Steel Panthers is immense. I'm sure it will be used as the benchmark wargame for many years to come!

Don Eddins · Post by **Don Eddins** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 4:56 pm

It is truly bad news to hear that the guys at Matrix feel as badly as they apparently do about the herculean efforts they have put into SP:Waw, that they haven't received the tangible expressions of support ($)that they have needed. What they have done for us, the WWII historical gaming community has been unique in the history of gaming. We are not likely to see its equal again. As some have said here on this forum, I can live with SP:WaW as it is and get years of fun and pleasure out of it. What other game can you say that about? I've ordered both MCs and tee shirts and I still got a lot more than I've paid for. Thanks to the Matrix team for all you have done. I regret that more of us didn't express their gratitude with their wallets. I hope we can energize a larger audience to pay up for Combat Leader and whatever else Matrix produces. We here on this forum cannot afford to let the Matrix team get disillusioned, disenchanted, or not get a reasonable monetary return for their outstanding devotion, and sacrifice ... yes, sacrifice they could all probably be making a better living using their skills for purposes other than producing the best damned wargames around.

Pay up, guys ... or you'll regret it in the future.

Frank W. · Post by **Frank W.** » Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:03 pm

great work still by matrix!!!

i don´t encounter that much bugs in the game.

i like the game and the matrix company.

if ver. 7.00 will come one month later or earlier doesn´t bother me that much,you have much to do. i understand. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

bobaloo000 · Post by **bobaloo000** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:50 am

I don't post very often but I enjoy SPWAW and I pre-ordered MCNA, I have pre-ordered MC2 and I will pre-order MC3 when it is available. It is sad that when it came time to put their money where there mouths are many gamers limped away.

Shame on you.

p.s.- The one problem I had with MCNA, which I did not post on the forum but followed the instructions on bug reporting, was answered and corrected by Paul within 24 hours. That is customer service! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Mikimoto · Post by **Mikimoto** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 2:14 am

Hi.

Thanks Matrix for SPWAW, the best wargame I have played in my life.
Thanks for the MCNA that I own and play, a gem.
Thanks for MCLV that preordered some weeks ago... its a great hope and illusion, a jewell, sure.
Thanks for the old&new friends at the forum.
Thanks for the Pbem enemies (or where friends?)
Thanks for those nights fighting "all night long".
Thanks for the questions and the quick and gentle answers.
Thanks for the new games, I will play them.
Thanks for all, Matrix gentlemen, I have faith on your work. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

generalrichmond · Post by **generalrichmond** » Sat Oct 27, 2001 6:53 am

Brand new to SPWaW, so just bought both MC's and will get #3 when it's out.

Hate to see things come to this point. SPWaW is untouchable for it's type of graphics/strategy game. Untouchable, and far exceeding what anyone DARED to think could or would happen years ago(that is, of us who were onboard with SP since it's inception). Technically, I have never seen a company do such good work and keep at it. MATRIX has taken the bar waaaay high... I will definitely be looking into acquiring some of their other products.

That being said, I do think this (the SPWaW issue) becomes an issue of marketing and expectation (which is quite dangerous in the strategy community - it's sooo small). And I'll leave that there.

I would have paid handsomely for this game AS IS.

The inevitable with wargames is this - all companies come to the point where they give up support and development. It's a matter of money.

Like I said, I would have bought the basic engine for a good bit. My buying the MC's at this point is just a way to show gratitude for what has been done.

I understand Paul is disappointed. Maybe from a business standpoint it is valid. However, from the standpoint of computer wargame achievement, there is no basis for disappointment - quite the contrary.

I will always be happy with SPWaW.