I dont Understand

[ThePump]

This new game on Alexander The Great, I don't understand it. Seems most the game is about Greece when Alexander The Great was Macedonian and not Greek. I don't see why there also is Greek armies when there should be Macedonian Armies. Many people seem to agree with me, Why is this game based on wrong information, I dont understand ???

[Deride]

ORIGINAL: ThePump
This new game on Alexander The Great, I don't understand it. Seems most the game is about Greece when Alexander The Great was Macedonian and not Greek. I don't see why there also is Greek armies when there should be Macedonian Armies. Many people seem to agree with me, Why is this game based on wrong information, I dont understand ???

ThePump,

The game follows the campaigns of Alexander and his conquest of Persia, Egypt, Babylon and India. For our game, we consider Alexander to be the king of Greece, and he commands the combined forces of Macedonia, Greece and Thessaly.

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[Iñaki Harrizabalagatar]

There were Greek troops fighting both for Alexander and the Persians, their presence in the game are plainly justified.

[Hertston]

Alexander was indeed the de facto "ruler" of Greece, the major city states having been subdued by first his father and then himself.

Macedonia itself was considered Greek, albeit on the fringes of "greekness" by the likes of the Athenians and Thebans. An early Macedonian army certainly can be considered "Greek", although the superior and uniquely (at that time) Macedonian long-spear phalanx had replaced the traditional hoplite (medium/heavy infantry) as the major infantry force. Alexander's early battles were against the hoplite armies of the Greek city-states. Issus and Arbela were considered "Greek versus Persian" confrontations, although as Inaki said both sides employed large number of Greek mercenaries, both hoplites and missile troops.

Or, to summarise, "Greek", "Persian" and "Indian" is as good a way of analysing the armies in the game as any. [:)]

[ThePump]

Exactly my point, How can A game be based on wrong information ? I just don't understand. Since when was Alexander The Great the king of Greece. The last time I checked in the International Encyclopedia and on the online Encyclopedia Alexander the Great was King Of Macedonia. Just funny how people want to justify things when they know the truth.

[Hertston]

What ARE you on about ?

There was no "king of Greece", Alexander or anybody else. It was a collection of city-states. Philip obtained, and Alexander retained (by a combination of arms, threats and dodgy dealing) effective overlordship over the whole of Greece. Bar Sparta anyway, which by then nobody was really bothered about. It was NECESSARY that Alexander control his "back-yard" before campaigning anywhere else. He fought against Greeks (city states and as Persian mercenaries). He fought WITH Greeks. Of course the game has Greeks... it also has particular Macedonian units that at least initially formed the bulk of Alexander's army.

Alexander was king of Macedonia. He also had effective control over the rest of Greece. And that was before going on to become ruler of the largest empire the world had ever seen. Busy lad [:D] By the time he reached India, the army was more Persian than Greek. Or indeed Macedonian [;)]

[Deride]

ORIGINAL: ThePump
Exactly my point, How can A game be based on wrong information ?

ThePump,

Is there a particular thing that you are pointing to in regard to the game? Is there something on the koiosworks.com site that you don't believe to be acurate?

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[ThePump]

Hertston, Your explanation is much better than what the overview of the game was. That's more like it.

[ThePump]

Just that from the sound of the game it is very Greek orientated which I dont understand why when he was the King of Macedonia, shouldn't it if anything be more Macedonian and Persian orientated.

ORIGINAL: Deride

ORIGINAL: ThePump
Exactly my point, How can A game be based on wrong information ?

ThePump,

Is there a particular thing that you are pointing to in regard to the game? Is there something on the koiosworks.com site that you don't believe to be acurate?

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[Deride]

ORIGINAL: ThePump
Just that from the sound of the game it is very Greek orientated which I dont understand why when he was the King of Macedonia, shouldn't it if anything be more Macedonian and Persian orientated.

As Hertston said, Alexander's first task was to align the Greek city states under a single ruler -- himself. Although Alexander was Macedonian, he spread the Hellenistic philosophy of Greece as one his primary reasons for conquest (as well as to get back at the Persian forces that had threatened them over the previous centuries.)

For the game, we don't actually make a big distinction between Macedonian and Greek armies, especially since Alexander (as well as the Persians themselves) used Greek troops extensively. During the game, you play Alexander and his army -- which includes units from Greece, Macedonia, Thessaly, Crete and others.

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[koiosworks]

The first battle in the campaign is to crush the Greek city state rebellion at Thebes that was stirred up by the Athenian Orator Demosthenes. After crushing Thebes both Athens and Sparta 'supported' Alexander. Once Alexander was deep in Persia, Sparta tried to assert its independence again but was crushed at Megalopous by Alexander's regent in Greece, Antipater. This battle is not in the campaign. In the earlier Persian battles, the player will see a lot of greek mercanaries fighting for the Persians. We have a greek mercany 'compendium' entry that explains that many Greeks did not consider Alexander Greek and choose to fight against who they considered a tyrant. So, rest assured, we understand that Macadonia and "Greece" are not one in the same. However, as mentioned above, for all practical purposes, Alexander was the king of Greece.