Escort vs. Sweep vs. Long Range CAP

[von Murrin]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

ok so which is better if i want my fighters to attack an airfield???

sweep or airfield attack???

That really depends on whether there is CAP protecting the airfield you want to attack. If you send them as airfield attack, then you better send some *escort*.

so if i send some on sweep and some on airfield attack the ones on sweep will escort? is this what you mean? why not just send them all on sweep and they will escort themselves and attack the airfield.

Fighter sweep + bombers on airfield attack + escorting fighters = chewed up CAP.

[Mr.Frag]

so if i send some on sweep and some on airfield attack the ones on sweep will escort? is this what you mean? why not just send them all on sweep and they will escort themselves and attack the airfield.

If you tell fighters to BOMB, they become BOMBERS and need their own ESCORT.

If you want to kill fighters, send SWEEP.

If you want to kill aircraft on the ground, send LOW SWEEP.

If you want to hurt the troops/airbase, send BOMBERS.

If you send BOMBERS or LOW SWEEP, they will get eaten by CAP so send ESCORTS.

If you want all of the above, look closely at the mission orders for the PH attack group.

[Banquet]

ty irrelevant.. my memory of UV has faded a bit (too much HoI and Victoria in between) I knew there was something about setting 100% CAP would raise fatigue in pilots.. this must be because (in the case of escort) the pilots can at least rest on the days where no escort mission is flown.

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

For those that don't want to read the manual: [:'(]

Escort = Planes that fly along with Bombers to protect them. No Bombers fly, no Escort flies.

Sweep = Planes that fly to a target and attempt to engage CAP at the target. Low Altitudes will result in strafing of the runway.

CAP = Planes that fly over their own base to protect it. They can wander into hexes beside their base if not busy.

LR-CAP = Identical to CAP, but fly over a specific destination instead of their own base.

Add a little complication to this:

Aircraft that are not ordered to do something else will join the CAP if the base is attacked, but they rely on early warning (radar/sound detection) to take off and climb to intercept the attackers.

Ah so, but what about a base that has no bombers but has float planes going out. Do the escort fighters escort the floaters or recon planes then?

[Mr.Frag]

Ah so, but what about a base that has no bombers but has float planes going out. Do the escort fighters escort the floaters or recon planes then?

Can you convert that into a question? [:D]

[Grognerd]

Pardon me, but I'm ROTF right now....great thread...

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Ah so, but what about a base that has no bombers but has float planes going out. Do the escort fighters escort the floaters or recon planes then?

Can you convert that into a question? [:D]

Suppose I have a fighter squadron one turn one that claims it is escorting (has fatigue after turn one anyway), and yet there are no bombers there. Does that mean that they escorted some of the recon and search planes that were there when they went out?

[Mr.Frag]

More details. What was CAP set to?

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

More details. What was CAP set to?

In other words, default turn one has all fighters doing some amount of CAP, even though many of them have escort duty, correct? The ones who don't have bombers to excort are just pulling off the CAP duty correct?

I don't wan to load the game up all over again just to find out for sure. On my save game, the 2-3 cities where this occurs, Osaka being one, I've already changed their missions and CAP levels. Funny thing. I did an upgrade on one squadron, and yet when I reloaded the save game here, it had switched to the Tojo, and their 9 planes are "ready". Same turn, just a save inbetween them.

[Mr.Frag]

The ones who don't have bombers to excort are just pulling off the CAP duty correct?

Yep.

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

The ones who don't have bombers to excort are just pulling off the CAP duty correct?

Yep.

Man, you're quicker than lightning with answering so many posts.

[Charles2222]

Oh BTW, did you notice that I mentioned that placing an upgrade on a squadron, upgraded it, completely to ready status by mere virtue of a save inbetween (I actually exited the program and came back to it later, and, voila)!

[Mr.Frag]

Oh BTW, did you notice that I mentioned that placing an upgrade on a squadron, upgraded it, completely to ready status by mere virtue of a save inbetween (I actually exited the program and came back to it later, and, voila)!

You said Tojo ... there is only one group of these babies so i just figured you were confused. They are experimental aircraft and do not deploy to normal groups. You'll see them at Canton. [;)]

[byron13]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

For those that don't want to read the manual: [:'(]

Escort = Planes that fly along with Bombers to protect them. No Bombers fly, no Escort flies.

Sweep = Planes that fly to a target and attempt to engage CAP at the target. Low Altitudes will result in strafing of the runway.

CAP = Planes that fly over their own base to protect it. They can wander into hexes beside their base if not busy.

LR-CAP = Identical to CAP, but fly over a specific destination instead of their own base.

Add a little complication to this:

Aircraft that are not ordered to do something else will join the CAP if the base is attacked, but they rely on early warning (radar/sound detection) to take off and climb to intercept the attackers.

Frag is on reader patrol again.

[Charles2222]

Ummm, not exactly. It is precisely a Tojo. A Ki-44-IIb. The game says it's not available until 8/42. The game also still shows it still in R/D.

[Mr.Frag]

Ummm, not exactly. It is precisely a Tojo. A Ki-44-IIb. The game says it's not available until 8/42.

you have 1 group of experimental Tojo's in '41.

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Ummm, not exactly. It is precisely a Tojo. A Ki-44-IIb. The game says it's not available until 8/42.

you have 1 group of experimental Tojo's in '41.

Ah so, so you're saying it wasn't originally a Nate. I'm glad to hear it wasn't some indication that I had a bad DL or something.