play as minors?

[denshiblocks]

i appologize if this has been asked before, i am new to the board but i did a quick search of the forum and didnt see it. i was curious if the rules will allow play as a minor? ive always thought it would be interesting to play as sweden, or one of the italian minors - just from the point of surviving as an independant amongst all the political influences.

seth

[Alexander Seil]

Hehe. If Matrix ever released a game with EU-style one-prov minor world conquests, it would discredit itself to the end of its days (which will come very shortly). As far as I know only Paradox can pull off things like that and still get good sales and decent reviews (because most reviewers are so dazed by the detail level that they don't really explore the way it all fits together). Alternatively, if minors with attitudes would be plastered in the game (as they should be, most of the time), everyone would scream that the game is hopelessly skewed in favor of major powers.

[Marshall Ellis]

Seth:

Nope, you cannot play as a minor in this initial release HOWEVER, we have discussed a scenario that would allow Sweden to be played as a major since we've seen the request to play Sweden a few times. I suspect it would be tough to play them since they would probably end up as a Russian/British puppet (Do as I say or else... ) and this might not be too fun??? Fun to think about and who knows in our later updates ... you never know...???

Thank you

[Nordiska]

Sweden gets my vote for a playable nation[:D], always love a challange, even if i have to wait for a patch/expansion to play Sweden.

[ardilla]

I agree with you, I preffer to play fun Sweden for a short time holding back Russia and GB than other countries.

And of course, it could be nice to see the effect in the game if you allow 10 players...diplomacy will be the KEY (Poland, Sweden and US)...I wont mind to be a Beta Tester of this option [;)]

About the fact that playing as Poland or Sweden could be "short" if you get wipped by other more powerfull players, is not a big deal, you just can start another pbem game, so I give my vote for a try of Sweden and other countries after are wellcome.

[denshiblocks]

im not too disappointed, im sure it would have just been a waiting game playing as a german or italian state until the majors vice clamped in on the hijinx. im just glad this game is getting made!

seth

[eg0master]

ORIGINAL: denshiblocks
im just glad this game is getting made!

I second that! [:)]

[rodo_benzo]

Well, EIA is not Europa Universalis. I don't see why we should be able to play minors in EIA ?! (in fact, in EU neither but it's fun in the PC version lol)

But in a pure Napoleonic grand-strategy wargame like EIA I definitely don't see the point to play a minor ...

[denshiblocks]

ORIGINAL: rodo_benzo
But in a pure Napoleonic grand-strategy wargame like EIA I definitely don't see the point to play a minor ...

in the paper version, certinaly not - but the PC version already has AI for all the minors (or am i assuming that?). if by grand-strategy you mean build the largest army and roll over opponents, you may be right - but i find it more fun to take a weak country and build them to success that outweighs the history of the period. EiA is not a static historical recreation, but a theoretical... what would you have done if your borders were surrounded by hostile forces?

i think diplomacy with minors could be a very interesting aspect of the game. certianly to play as a minor would almost always end in defeat or subjugation... but its fun to think of taking a venitian fleet with a corp as an invasion force to some north african port.

that being said, i wont fault matrix for not including it, its not in the paper version, so i wouldnt expect it, and they seem to have their hands full getting it all together as it is

seth

[pfnognoff]

Well, in EiA, diplomacy is the most important factor. But I think that nothing you can say, if you are a playing some central european minor could make me stop and not conquer you if I'm one of the big guys?

My group and I have played several games with EiH diplomacy with minors rule, and still all the minors were conquered the same way as before with the original rules, because the minors are here just as a source of manpower for the major powers...

The only real exception to this was Sweden, which is big enough, and far enough to still be not conquered after like six months into the game. That is why they have only made 8 player version (with Sweden) as an addition to the original rules. And that would be nice to have in the PC version, but maybe with some later patch or expansion.

[EarlPembroke]

ORIGINAL: pfnognoff

The only real exception to this was Sweden, which is big enough, and far enough to still be not conquered after like six months into the game. That is why they have only made 8 player version (with Sweden) as an addition to the original rules. And that would be nice to have in the PC version, but maybe with some later patch or expansion.

Please count me among those who want to play Sweden. Especially if there is some editability. Then in addition to being hopefully a more effective leader of the state than Gustavus IV, you could explore what would happen if a brilliant general appeared in Sweden (and maybe how it would be if said brilliant general had developed an artillery core). [8D]

[peskpesk]

Sweden gets my vote anytime!!! [&o] I love a challenge! [:)]

And maybe in Computer Empires in Arms version 2.X we can have include
the expanded map (Follow the link) US MAP
and have the US join the fun![:D]

As always new countries are OPTIONS!

[Ozie]

The US map looks GREAT! [:)]

Could you link rules related to it?

[Manfred]

I don't see the point to play USA in EiA [&:]
I don't think that they can do anything interesting (overlord in 1814 ?) in this "european wars" game.

[EarlPembroke]

There should not be any invasion of Europe by the USA. I think it is a nation primarily to deprive European nations of income and possibly tip the balance that way (in reality it did sap a bit of British strength that otherwise would have faced Napoleon, maybe in the Peninsular campaign...).

[ardilla]

Well, actually I think it does, indirectly, but it does.

Somehow is another way of getting trade incomes and not only by GB, that it is real.
Also, if GB goes to war with US it is more realistic and makes GB move troops and ships to US.

But, of course, some people says that is a boring country to play, since it doesnt get involve in many direct wars in the game, only against indians, british in Canada and maybe spanish...but it is not the same playing US in a boardgame than by PBEM.

But we have to say that it was a growing power that could affect European wars, only by money most of the time, but money is a big deal in this game and if GB is at war with US is not like in original game (loses 15 $ and has to pay 5 VP to end the war).

IMHO.

Regards.

P.S. Also Spain gets southamerican territories, and ports, GB gets Canada and, even that it was a European war, the colonies and the war where everywhere, so it could be considered a WW.

[peskpesk]

In the version 4 of EiH rules is the US controlled by France when the war happens between the US and GB.

But a independent US could be fun too. Lots of things to do.
War with Mexico, Indians, Texas rebels, Trad war with the GB, Independence war with GB, war over colonies, war with France in Canada and with the Spainish over gold control etc.

[Nordiska]

I say Sweden as a 8th power should be added before the USA. Just my opinion.

[ardilla]

Of course, if MG is thinking about adding new Major Powers like Sweden and US, they should also think about Poland.

But, at least Sweden and US basically, for the first or second patch!??! [;)]

[Ozie]

Poland is a real possibility if 1740's scenario is implemented. The succession of Austria.