Japanese Pilot Pool

[Mr.Frag]

Nope, planes arrive damaged. Pilots are only drawn once the planes are repaired.

You have to be kidding about the number of pilots [:D]

Thats about the same as giving the Allies the A-Bomb in '41 [:D]

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: MarioF

I have a modded scenario starting with 1500 pilots in the pool (Japan), with 150 new ones arriving per month. My ggoups that have lots of A/C but short pilots don't seem to recieve them quickly enough.

eg. newly formed group arrives 6 A6M2 zero out of 27 Max.
-next turn I recieve 21 A6M zero planes damaged to bring up strength.
- Next couple of turns, planes get fixed slowly.
- however pilots are not coming fast enough, even though I have
more ready A/C than Pilots. (1500 or so in Pilot Pool)

Possible bug??????

ROFL, I didnt know Japan had an Air National Guard. LOL All those drunk airline pilots should make great kamikazes.

[MarioF]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Nope, planes arrive damaged. Pilots are only drawn once the planes are repaired.

You have to be kidding about the number of pilots [:D]

Thats about the same as giving the Allies the A-Bomb in '41 [:D]

I like playing as Japan. This is a "what if" scenario I am working on - assuming Japan dramatically increases their pilot training early in the war.

[Mr.Frag]

I like playing as Japan. This is a "what if" scenario I am working on - assuming Japan dramatically increases their pilot training early in the war.

I figured that out. I hope you are at least playing at Very Hard levels with *that* kind of perk. [:D]

[JohnK]

In all seriousness, a case can be made for a "non-stupid pilot training policy" switch similar to the "sub doctrine" switch for Japan.

[Mr.Frag]

ORIGINAL: JohnK

In all seriousness, a case can be made for a "non-stupid pilot training policy" switch similar to the "sub doctrine" switch for Japan.

Yes it can be made, BUT not that *those* kinds of levels. [:D]

[Onime No Kyo]

Are you guys incinuating that Japanese pilots would be pulled back to (fill in the blank) after a tour of duty? You've gotta be kidding. Need I mention that the US was the ONLY nation to ever do that on any scale? Have you heard of Russian of German pilots having a tour of duty?

[Bandkanon]

Many IJA and IJN aces and veteran pilots were pulled off the frontlines to become instructors. Not many made it that far but Japan did try to save veterans from being attrition killed. Although that ddn't much matter after while when the Allies started hitting the Home Islands.

[Nikademus]

According to Rudel, Hitler tried at least twice to bring him home to train the next generation of bomber pilots but Rudel pleaded to keep fighting and won him over.

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

According to Rudel, Hitler tried at least twice to bring him home to train the next generation of bomber pilots but Rudel pleaded to keep fighting and won him over.

It stands to reason that someone who knows how to fly properly will be brought back to teach those who dont. I was commenting on the scale, as in having a miccion cut-off point...only the US. And as long as we're on the subject, not one of the Abbeville Boys got transferred back. Only Galland had any sort of a breather, and he was trying to build a jet squadron.

[Culiacan Mexico]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Japan starts the game with abut 2,700 skilled pilots.

read this next part carefully:

(a) Each air group entering play comes WITH trained pilots.

(b) The pilot pool ONLY gets used for replacement pilots for KIA's

Now that you understand the two separate sources for pilots, rethink your numbers.

The pool comments means that Japan has trained skilled pilots sitting there drinking saki waiting for others to die so they can get a plane???

Planes ALWAYS outnumbered pilots.

“(a) Each air group entering play comes WITH trained pilots.”

I know you have probably stated this a thousand times… sorry.

If I disband a unit of aircraft, it will reform in 90 days by pulling aircraft from stock available and automatically be assigned pilots. The pilots will not come from the pool and their experience will be related to the year the air group is reformed.

[Xargun]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Japan starts the game with abut 2,700 skilled pilots.

read this next part carefully:

(a) Each air group entering play comes WITH trained pilots.

(b) The pilot pool ONLY gets used for replacement pilots for KIA's

Now that you understand the two separate sources for pilots, rethink your numbers.

The pool comments means that Japan has trained skilled pilots sitting there drinking saki waiting for others to die so they can get a plane???

Planes ALWAYS outnumbered pilots.

I understand this MR.Frag, but many LBA do not have their max aircraft ready to fly on turn 1... and are repairing them as the war starts... They also only have enough pilots for the ready aircraft, SO as soon as a new plane is repaired and ready to fly, the pull a pilot from the pool whether or not you have replacements on - this is my problem with the situation... LBA are stealing the good pilots to fill out their stupid units of Recon and ASW squadrons.... To me... No replacements means NO replacements period.. No planes... No pilots..

I'm hoping this can be addressed and fixed in a patch...

Xargun

[Culiacan Mexico]

ORIGINAL: Xargun
...LBA are stealing the good pilots to fill out their stupid units of Recon and ASW squadrons.... To me... No replacements means NO replacements period.. No planes... No pilots..

I'm hoping this can be addressed and fixed in a patch...

Xargun

Definitely annoying, especially considering how few pilots there are in the pool.

[2ndACR]

Sorry guys, I have not seen this in my game vs the AI. Granted it is only the 16 Dec. I have basically every air unit
set to no replacements. My pilot pool is IJA 403 and IJN 83. I had some Claudes get ripped apart so they sucked some pilots off.

Maybe I am not far enough into the game. All of my damaged at start a/c are fixed though.

Will see a massive drain of pilots when KB makes port though.

[Ron Saueracker]

Personally, I think it a good thing that this is happening. IJN CVs were constantly out for 2-3 months training airgroups after theirs had been decimated. Anything to slow down the excessive pace of operations in WITP is a good thing. (My new catch phrase![8D])

[Culiacan Mexico]

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR
Sorry guys, I have not seen this in my game vs the AI. Granted it is only the 16 Dec. I have basically every air unit
set to no replacements. My pilot pool is IJA 403 and IJN 83. I had some Claudes get ripped apart so they sucked some pilots off.

Maybe I am not far enough into the game. All of my damaged at start a/c are fixed though.

Will see a massive drain of pilots when KB makes port though.

I don’t have the game here, but I believe at the start there are a couple of units that are short of pilots. Yet me get the specifics and get back to you tomorrow, but from memory…

I think the two Nell units that start in Tokyo have damaged aircraft… 9 ready, 3 damaged, with 9 pilots. I generally transfer them somewhere else, and end up with a sub unit of 3, which I believe draws pilots from the pool.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

Right now all squadrons that start or come later in game have as many pilots as they have ready aircraft. The damaged aircraft are pilotless which is, IMHO, wrong...

IMHO (again) all squadrons should come with as many pilots as they are aircraft (both ready and damaged).


Example

Betty squadron that now starts with 9 ready aircraft and 3 damaged has only 9 pilots.

It should have 12 since there are 12 aircraft.

Please note that number of pilots is only up to number of aircraft and not up to MAX number of aircraft squadron could have (so that when squadron fills out with additional aircraft to MAX the additional pilots should be drawn from pool and that is OK).


Leo "Apollo11"

[Mr.Frag]

I'm hoping this can be addressed and fixed in a patch...

It can't be ... the entire system is based on the PLANE, not the pilots.

If you don't want pilots to be pulled for the excess planes, you need to get rid of the excess planes.

[Mr.Frag]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Right now all squadrons that start or come later in game have as many pilots as they have ready aircraft. The damaged aircraft are pilotless which is, IMHO, wrong...

IMHO (again) all squadrons should come with as many pilots as they are aircraft (both ready and damaged).


Example

Betty squadron that now starts with 9 ready aircraft and 3 damaged has only 9 pilots.

It should have 12 since there are 12 aircraft.

Please note that number of pilots is only up to number of aircraft and not up to MAX number of aircraft squadron could have (so that when squadron fills out with additional aircraft to MAX the additional pilots should be drawn from pool and that is OK).


Leo "Apollo11"

This was done specifically to resolve situations where pilots were being grossly inflated to aircraft. Remember the UV days of 200 pilots with 9 aircraft? We don't want to go back to that. It took a million and one changes to prevent that.

[Captain Cruft]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
This was done specifically to resolve situations where pilots were being grossly inflated to aircraft. Remember the UV days of 200 pilots with 9 aircraft? We don't want to go back to that. It took a million and one changes to prevent that.

I don't mind the way this works. Let's face it, as Japan you just cannot avoid your pilot problem, only perhaps delay the crisis.

Plus, anything that might bring back the heinous UV bug Frag refers to must be avoided at all cost!