Otto and the 7th Panzerjaeger Battalion PHOTO DIARY

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 7:14 pm

http://www.geipelnet.com/war_albums/otto/ow_011.html

The above is a URL to a photo diary of a PzJaeger trooper. It has about 60 pics on it and some of them are mind-blowing. Some have probably seen this site or some of the pics. It includes Russian kids washing German vehicles in the first advance of 1941, naked German soldiers washing equipment in the river, burnt T-34's (I mean, it isn't easy to figure out *what* that thing was!), and a T-34 with it's crew dead still inside. Also includes unreal mud photos (nasty) and photos of corpse piles and corpse wagons.

I am struck by how I can look at these things in photos now and not be so shocked. I know in person it would be real unnerving. The scene of the dead T-34 crew was tough to look at.

I think it's worth a look, especially to remind us that this is a game.

Hikertrash · Post by **Hikertrash** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:05 pm

I couldn't get the URL to work. Sounds really striking though ...

Dedas · Post by **Dedas** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:12 pm

Mhh.. that URL isn't working.
Thats a shame...

voyrep · Post by **voyrep** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:14 pm

I can´t get the link to work properly either
please check that it is correct!

thanks
Voyrep

asgrrr · Post by **asgrrr** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:52 pm

The server (geipelnet) is down. Maybe it will come up again later.

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:15 pm

11:09 EST - it's working now. I deleted all my temp files and history and relogged the URL, so it must be up.

Assuming the direct link doesn't work, try through the site I got it from:

http://militaryhistory.about.com/cs/europeantheater/

Look at the bottom under Russian Campaign 1941-1945

HTH

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Jackk · Post by **Jackk** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:37 pm

I've never seen a photo diary like that before.

Wow.

GI Seve · Post by **GI Seve** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:42 pm

Worked fine for me. Great pics. Though that guy didn't post any pics from later parts of war.

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:37 pm

Can anyone identify the "new" 75mm AT gun?

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 12:42 am

I sent an email regarding any future updates, so we'll see.

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 1:47 am

Originally posted by pbear:
Can anyone identify the "new" 75mm AT gun?

Totally unqualified quess: It does look like a 75mm PAK 42/L70 on a field carriage. The carriage looks much simpler than that of the PAK 40, and with square, welded, supports instead of round beams like the '40.

But that must've been a VERY early example? And the prime use of PAK 42s were JagdPanzer IV, wasn't it? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

A very interesting diary. Worth noting are Panzer I's rolling over the fields on the second day, June 23. Trainer tanks! Also interesting to see a captured T-34 (the one stuck in the mud)..

asgrrr · Post by **asgrrr** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:34 pm

Can anyone identify the strange looking gun on page 17?

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:27 pm

Originally posted by Belisarius:

Totally unqualified quess: It does look like a 75mm PAK 42/L70 on a field carriage. The carriage looks much simpler than that of the PAK 40, and with square, welded, supports instead of round beams like the '40.

But that must've been a VERY early example? And the prime use of PAK 42s were JagdPanzer IV, wasn't it? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

A very interesting diary. Worth noting are Panzer I's rolling over the fields on the second day, June 23. Trainer tanks! Also interesting to see a captured T-34 (the one stuck in the mud)..

The breach area looks to simple for a late war gun more like a French 75, could this be a WWI German 77 on a field gun carrage. With a longer barrel????

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:29 pm

Originally posted by Penetrator:
Can anyone identify the strange looking gun on page 17?

It looks like the "new" 75 gun shown later on.

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:30 pm

Very interesting to see the French Halftracks being used. And all the different types of trucks.

asgrrr · Post by **asgrrr** » Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:23 pm

Originally posted by pbear:

The breach area looks to simple for a late war gun more like a French 75, could this be a WWI German 77 on a field gun carrage. With a longer barrel????

It looks very likely that that the guns on pages 17 and 22 are the same. The wheels are definitely german, the mounting and shield look old fashioned. The gun itself is certainly not the french M1897, the characteristic long recoil system is lacking. Also the shield and limber is not the same as the AT-version of the M1897 shown here:

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~dpohara/birhac.htm

It looks to me like some kind of old field gun.